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The Kurds Have Been Betrayed Again by Washington

A growing number of Americans have lost the desire to try to maintain peace in the world by stationing troops in savage barbarian nations.

Marke:

Barbarous nations and states kill people by the thousands or the tens of thousands. However civilised states kill people by the millions and justify these mega-slaughters by arguing they are spreading or protecting civilisation to/from barbarians at the gates. I fear civilisation and its potential to kill millions far more than hairy people who are so devoid of societal organisation that they cannot cooperate to slaughter their foes systematically. Civilisation without societal conscience and awareness is a monstrosity of the highest order.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Not surprising, Turkey has been gunning for the Kurds so much I would offer they are a bigger priority for them to engage than ISIS is.

Turkey is becoming a semi-dictatorship. They arrested tens of thousands supporters of the Gulen movement on the fake accusation of terrorism. It is the same thing that they did for decades to the Kurds.

And now the Kurds are going to have to pay the prize yet again for trusting the Western countries.
 
Marke:

Barbarous nations and states kill people by the thousands or the tens of thousands. However civilised states kill people by the millions and justify these mega-slaughters by arguing they are spreading or protecting civilisation to/from barbarians at the gates. I fear civilisation and its potential to kill millions far more than hairy people who are so devoid of societal organisation that they cannot cooperate to slaughter their foes systematically. Civilisation without societal conscience and awareness is a monstrosity of the highest order.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I am not associated with "God damn America" seditious democrat communists. I believe America has done great things for the people of the whole earth and I reject the philosophical drug-crazed crap of barbarian 'free-thinkers.'
 
I am not associated with "God damn America" seditious democrat communists. I believe America has done great things for the people of the whole earth and I reject the philosophical drug-crazed crap of barbarian 'free-thinkers.'

Marke:

In my opinion you are wilfully ignoring a long and ignominious history stretching from the end of the 19th Century to the present day. And don't get me started about pre-20th Century America. That's a whole other historical can of worms.

How much good did America do when it slaughtered and tortured hundreds of thousands of Filipinos at the start of the 20th Century? How much good did America do when it repeatedly militarily intervened in China on behalf of Standard Oil? How much good did America do when it repeatedly invaded Caribbean and Central American countries on behalf of companies like The United Fruit Company when the locals got fed up with exploitation and abuse? How much good did America do when it killed 1.4 million Koreans in the Korean War and both installed and supported the Park Regime which liquidated another 300,000 more Koreans? How much good did America do when it in concert with Britain overthrew the democratically elected Mossadeg Government of Iran and raised the brutal Shah and his vicious Savak secret police to ultimate power in Iran in 1953 in order to protect the Anglo-American oil interests in the country? How much good did America do when it aided the Suharto Regime of Indonesia in the slaughter of more than a million Indonesians and East Timorians between 1965 and 1995? How much good did America do when it killed about 2.5 million Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians by bombing and ground warfare in order to defend a French Empire possession from decolonialisation when not even the French wanted it anymore? How much good did America do when it supported (and still supports) right wing coups in places like Argentina, Brazil and Chile (to name just three) which led to the disappearing and murders of tens of thousands of people in each country? How much good did America do when it purposefully destabilised Afghanistan in order to drag the Soviet Union into its own "Vietnam" in mid 1979 (that's five to six months before the USSR invaded the country)? How much good did America do when it killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in 1991 and then abandoned the Marsh Arabs who helped the American-led Coalition against the Saddam Hussein Regime to viscious repression and reprisals under a resurgent and vengeful Saddam Hussein? How much good did America do when it blockaded and prevented oil sales from Iraq which led to critical medical shortages which in turn caused the deaths of an estimated half million Iraqis? How much good did America do when it invaded and bombed the heck out of Afghanistan (a country which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks) and has continued to torment that country with almost 18 years of war? How much good did America do when it slaughtered or allowed to be slaughtered somewhere between one and two million Iraqis (another nation which had nothing to do with 9/11) between 2003 and the present on the false pretended that Iraq was producing WMDs? How much good did America do when it along with other European states bombed and collapsed the Gaddafi Regime of Libya in 2011 plunging that country into now going on eight years of civil war? How much good did America do when it supported and supplied the Saudi and UAE invasion and bombing of Yemen and has itself slaughtered Yemeni villagers and bus passengers in special operations and air operations in that war-torn country? Next up Iran or North Korea redux?

The same brutal analysis can be done for the British Empire, the French Empire, the Belgian Empire, the Russian Empire/the USSR, the Imperial and Nazi German Empires, the Japanese Empire, the Chinese Empire, the Dutch Empire and many other manifestations of "civilisation" going back to ancient Akkad in Mesopotamia almost five thousand years ago. Civilisation without conscience kills far more effectively and in far greater numbers than barbarians can ever hope to and has far more blood on its hands. That's not drug-crazed philosophy nor seditious democrat communism; that's the lessons of History available for all to learn and be guided by.

Climb out of your ideological bunker and look around at history rather than spewing meaningless catch-phrases at people with whom you disagree. MAIA - Make America Intelligent Again

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Marke:

In my opinion you are wilfully ignoring a long and ignominious history stretching from the end of the 19th Century to the present day. And don't get me started about pre-20th Century America. That's a whole other historical can of worms.

How much good did America do when it slaughtered and tortured hundreds of thousands of Filipinos at the start of the 20th Century? How much good did America do when it repeatedly militarily intervened in China on behalf of Standard Oil? How much good did America do when it repeatedly invaded Caribbean and Central American countries on behalf of companies like The United Fruit Company when the locals got fed up with exploitation and abuse? How much good did America do when it killed 1.4 million Koreans in the Korean War and both installed and supported the Park Regime which liquidated another 300,000 more Koreans? How much good did America do when it in concert with Britain overthrew the democratically elected Mossadeg Government of Iran and raised the brutal Shah and his vicious Savak secret police to ultimate power in Iran in 1953 in order to protect the Anglo-American oil interests in the country? How much good did America do when it aided the Suharto Regime of Indonesia in the slaughter of more than a million Indonesians and East Timorians between 1965 and 1995? How much good did America do when it killed about 2.5 million Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians by bombing and ground warfare in order to defend a French Empire possession from decolonialisation when not even the French wanted it anymore? How much good did America do when it supported (and still supports) right wing coups in places like Argentina, Brazil and Chile (to name just three) which led to the disappearing and murders of tens of thousands of people in each country? How much good did America do when it purposefully destabilised Afghanistan in order to drag the Soviet Union into its own "Vietnam" in mid 1979 (that's five to six months before the USSR invaded the country)? How much good did America do when it killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in 1991 and then abandoned the Marsh Arabs who helped the American-led Coalition against the Saddam Hussein Regime to viscious repression and reprisals under a resurgent and vengeful Saddam Hussein? How much good did America do when it blockaded and prevented oil sales from Iraq which led to critical medical shortages which in turn caused the deaths of an estimated half million Iraqis? How much good did America do when it invaded and bombed the heck out of Afghanistan (a country which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks) and has continued to torment that country with almost 18 years of war? How much good did America do when it slaughtered or allowed to be slaughtered somewhere between one and two million Iraqis (another nation which had nothing to do with 9/11) between 2003 and the present on the false pretended that Iraq was producing WMDs? How much good did America do when it along with other European states bombed and collapsed the Gaddafi Regime of Libya in 2011 plunging that country into now going on eight years of civil war? How much good did America do when it supported and supplied the Saudi and UAE invasion and bombing of Yemen and has itself slaughtered Yemeni villagers and bus passengers in special operations and air operations in that war-torn country? Next up Iran or North Korea redux?

The same brutal analysis can be done for the British Empire, the French Empire, the Belgian Empire, the Russian Empire/the USSR, the Imperial and Nazi German Empires, the Japanese Empire, the Chinese Empire, the Dutch Empire and many other manifestations of "civilisation" going back to ancient Akkad in Mesopotamia almost five thousand years ago. Civilisation without conscience kills far more effectively and in far greater numbers than barbarians can ever hope to and has far more blood on its hands. That's not drug-crazed philosophy nor seditious democrat communism; that's the lessons of History available for all to learn and be guided by.

Climb out of your ideological bunker and look around at history rather than spewing meaningless catch-phrases at people with whom you disagree. MAIA - Make America Intelligent Again

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Men have made mistakes as well as misinterpreting facts. God is good. Men are not. Men need Jesus, without whom they cannot possibly do good.
 
Men have made mistakes as well as misinterpreting facts. God is good. Men are not. Men need Jesus, without whom they cannot possibly do good.

Men need good leaders not pseudo religious nonsense. God is not good either, the bible is full of his sins but that is another story. People need to concentrate on the good they do on earth because it is the right thing, not because of someone for which there is no evidence of him ever existed.
 
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Men have made mistakes as well as misinterpreting facts. God is good. Men are not. Men need Jesus, without whom they cannot possibly do good.

Marke:

Locking your keys in the car is a mistake. Misreading the instructions while assembling an IKEA table is a misinterpretation. Killing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions is an act of collective will and profoundly evil whether you do it in the name of democracy, Christianity, Communism, Islam, Fascism or Judaism. Armies have slaughtered humans under the sign of the Cross since the time of Emperor Constantine. The god you follow or the prophets you heed do not constrain you if you are wilfully evil and often such evil people will use their faith as an excuse or justification for doing their evil. That is the trap of civilisation; it uses the institutions of faith and ideology to marshal great resources to do harm when evil people are in power. Evil barbarians are just as evil but they cannot marshal the resources or organisation to compete with a civilisation that is without conscience when it comes to undertaking collective acts of evil which highlight man's inhumanity to man.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Marke:

Locking your keys in the car is a mistake. Misreading the instructions while assembling an IKEA table is a misinterpretation. Killing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions is an act of collective will and profoundly evil whether you do it in the name of democracy, Christianity, Communism, Islam, Fascism or Judaism. Armies have slaughtered humans under the sign of the Cross since the time of Emperor Constantine. The god you follow or the prophets you heed do not constrain you if you are wilfully evil and often such evil people will use their faith as an excuse or justification for doing their evil. That is the trap of civilisation; it uses the institutions of faith and ideology to marshal great resources to do harm when evil people are in power. Evil barbarians are just as evil but they cannot marshal the resources or organisation to compete with a civilisation that is without conscience when it comes to undertaking collective acts of evil which highlight man's inhumanity to man.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I know idiots criticize America for fighting enemies of civilization in war but I hardly care what idiots think.
 
I know idiots criticize America for fighting enemies of civilization in war but I hardly care what idiots think.

Marke:

Whatever. The fact that you respond to lists of historical facts with commonplaces and insults makes moot who is the idiot in this debate. Have a Happy New Year .

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Trump said yesterday that the withdrawal from Syria will take ~4 months. [Trump sycophant] Sen. Lindsey Graham said Turkey would have a buffer zone in Syria to protect its interests and Turkey would not clash with the U.S.-backed Kurdish YPG forces once U.S. troops leave Syria. Graham did not offer any specifics. I sincerely hope Trump and his pet Senator are not simply "trusting" in guarantees made by Putin/Assad/Erdogan. Once the US military ground presence is removed from Syria, it will be extremely difficult to re-establish.
 
No Syria withdrawal without Turkish pledge not to attack Kurds, Bolton says

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Syrian Kurd fighters.

1/6/19
President Donald Trump will not withdraw American troops from northern Syria until the Turkish government guarantees it won’t then attack Syrian Kurdish forces that have been critical allies in the fight against ISIS, national security adviser John Bolton said Sunday. Bolton said a commitment from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that protects the Kurds after American forces exit is something Trump is demanding, and that it’s just one of several conditions that have to be met before U.S. troops leave. “There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said. Since Trump abruptly announced on Dec. 19 that all U.S. forces in Syria would exit immediately, administration officials have shifted the timing to say it would happen more slowly. Officials are now setting a series of conditions for withdrawal that must first be met, which Bolton described as “policy decisions that we need to implement.”

“This is a cause and effect mission,” Bolton said. “Timetables or the timing of the withdrawal occurs as a result of the fulfillment of the conditions and the establishment of the circumstances that we want to see. And once that’s done, then you talk about a timetable.” Bolton also indicated that the U.S. troop withdrawal will not be a complete drawdown, as Trump had promised. Instead, he discussed a withdrawal of American forces from northern Syria, where most of the estimated 2,000 U.S. troops are based, while leaving some of them in the southern part of the country. In Turkey, Bolton will face a defiant Erdogan, who considers the Kurdish forces in Syria to be terrorists who threaten Turkey's stability. He warned Turkey against taking any military action in Syria without consent from the U.S. "We don't think the Turks ought to undertake military action that's not fully coordinated with and agreed to by the United States, at a minimum so they don't endanger our troops, but also so that they meet the president’s requirement that the Syrian opposition forces that have fought with us are not endangered,” Bolton said.

The dictator Erdogan has no integrity. I don't trust this putz one iota. But at least the people surrounding Trump are very aware of the highly dangerous Erdogan/YPG contretemps.

Related: Bolton Says U.S. Syria Withdrawal Conditioned On IS Defeat, Turkish Protection For Kurds
 
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