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The Chemical Munitions Used By the Syrian Government 2012-2018

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The Chemical Munitions Used By the Syrian Government 2012-2018

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Barrel-bombs being pushed out from a Syrian government helicopter.

The conflict in Syria has seen the widespread use of chemical weapons by Syrian government forces since the end of 2012, with a surprising, and often very unusual, range of chemical munitions used. This article examines the chemical munitions documented through open sources, primarily used to deploy Sarin and chlorine gas.
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Report by the open-source investigative organization Bellingcat (2018).
 
Bellingcat is a propaganda rag that has been repeatedly debunked. A fraud. Absolutely unreliable. Check the funding sources.
 
DaveFagan said:
Bellingcat is a propaganda rag that has been repeatedly debunked. A fraud. Absolutely unreliable. Check the funding sources.
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OPINION NOTED....

BTW - What can you tell us about the funding sources?

And "debunked" by whom? Citation?

Have you an issue with the information presented?
 
Try finger ****ing the chemical impacts with only rubber gloves and a cotton face gauze. Your facial skin would melt quickly.
 
Yeah. You’re right. Shiites don’t keep their dead families together for burials.
 
Am I the only one who noticed the rocket blamed on assad written in english with a date of 2010? Unless the us and britain were actively selling arms to assad including chemichal capable weapons until the day arab spring started there, I doubt it was a syrian munition, much of their stockpile is either home made or bought from russia, and would be in cyrulic or arab, not english with western military identifications, fairly poor investigative work by those who used such as proof.

The rest of the munitions except the volcano rockets look ied type munitions not something of a state actor. The surface to surface shelling also raises questions, as isis and the rebels have artillery as well, and the rebels have been caught on video before using chemical weapons earlier in the war.
 
beerftw said:
Am I the only one who noticed the rocket blamed on assad written in english with a date of 2010? Unless the us and britain were actively selling arms to assad including chemichal capable weapons until the day arab spring started there, I doubt it was a syrian munition, much of their stockpile is either home made or bought from russia, and would be in cyrulic or arab, not english with western military identifications, fairly poor investigative work by those who used such as proof.

The rest of the munitions except the volcano rockets look ied type munitions not something of a state actor. The surface to surface shelling also raises questions, as isis and the rebels have artillery as well, and the rebels have been caught on video before using chemical weapons earlier in the war.
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Thanks, but I'll trust the Bellingcat experts.

And you can always shoot them an email and inquire about whatever it is that you don't understand. contact@bellingcat.com
 
The White Helmets terrorist organization are the ones using chemical weapons not the Syrian army. Why does the victorious party in the war, the Syrian army, need to use chemical weapons?
 
stan1990 said:
The White Helmets terrorist organization are the ones using chemical weapons not the Syrian army. Why does the victorious party in the war, the Syrian army, need to use chemical weapons?
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Must be another Kremlin troll.
 
beerftw said:
Am I the only one who noticed the rocket blamed on assad written in english with a date of 2010? Unless the us and britain were actively selling arms to assad including chemichal capable weapons until the day arab spring started there, I doubt it was a syrian munition, much of their stockpile is either home made or bought from russia, and would be in cyrulic or arab, not english with western military identifications, fairly poor investigative work by those who used such as proof.

The rest of the munitions except the volcano rockets look ied type munitions not something of a state actor. The surface to surface shelling also raises questions, as isis and the rebels have artillery as well, and the rebels have been caught on video before using chemical weapons earlier in the war.
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The Syrian Military has been employing chemical weapons against their own people. I.... would not recommend you get on a conspiracy train on this one.
 
cpwill said:
The Syrian Military has been employing chemical weapons against their own people. I.... would not recommend you get on a conspiracy train on this one.
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It was already established though as well that the rebels had chemical weapons, isis had chemical weapons, and the british govt was selling the rebels the materials to make sarin, so it is not so much a conspiracy at this point as much as it is people responding with it had to be assad who else could it be, while ignoring other evidence and assuming despite all those factions possessing chemical weapons, only assads regime could use them.

This was being questioned years ago after assad was blamed for a chemical attack and the fsa was on camera firing chemical chlorine shells at the exact location assad was accused of gassing.
 
beerftw said:
It was already established though as well that the rebels had chemical weapons, isis had chemical weapons, and the british govt was selling the rebels the materials to make sarin, so it is not so much a conspiracy at this point as much as it is people responding with it had to be assad who else could it be, while ignoring other evidence and assuming despite all those factions possessing chemical weapons, only assads regime could use them.

This was being questioned years ago after assad was blamed for a chemical attack and the fsa was on camera firing chemical chlorine shells at the exact location assad was accused of gassing.
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Why no reputable citations to verify the above?
 
beerftw said:
It was already established though as well that the rebels had chemical weapons, isis had chemical weapons, and the british govt was selling the rebels the materials to make sarin, so it is not so much a conspiracy at this point as much as it is people responding with it had to be assad who else could it be, while ignoring other evidence and assuming despite all those factions possessing chemical weapons, only assads regime could use them.

This was being questioned years ago after assad was blamed for a chemical attack and the fsa was on camera firing chemical chlorine shells at the exact location assad was accused of gassing.
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It Must Be True, I Saw It On RT News. ?

No. My argument is not limited to "no one else in the area has chemical weapons".

Trust me. You don't want to jump on the "Syria hasn't been using chemical weapons on its own people" CT bandwagon.



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Rogue Valley said:
Why no reputable citations to verify the above?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#The_OPCW_Fact-Finding_Mission_in_Syria


There you go, it lists every notable attack, some the opcw has blamed syria, some they have blames isis, many there was not enough information to make any call. Note that some of the attacks occured in kurdish/ american/ turkish controlled areas where assad has no means to use them, even the opcw was aware of that.

Also syrias state produced sarin is the easiest to verify, all state actors use specific methods and impurities on their chemical weapons, this is not only from manufacturing variances, but also so they can be tracked, syria uses hexamine, the only country to do so for sarin, which makes their sarin extremely easy to identify, while neighboring iraq had ied's with sarin in them during the us occupation used by al quaeda, they shown high levels of impurity indicating they were not produced by a state actor. Things get more confusing as syria never had full control of it's stockpiles, rebels and islamic extremists took control of some of the stockpiles, the location of most is unknown while a few were reclaimed and verified by the opcw.

The is also massive stockpiles missing from libya and the govt was overthrown, with officials in that country admitting many of them ended up in syria and iraq, hinting that groups like isis were among those who aquired them.
 
beerftw said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#The_OPCW_Fact-Finding_Mission_in_Syria


There you go, it lists every notable attack, some the opcw has blamed syria, some they have blames isis, many there was not enough information to make any call. Note that some of the attacks occured in kurdish/ american/ turkish controlled areas where assad has no means to use them, even the opcw was aware of that.

Also syrias state produced sarin is the easiest to verify, all state actors use specific methods and impurities on their chemical weapons, this is not only from manufacturing variances, but also so they can be tracked, syria uses hexamine, the only country to do so for sarin, which makes their sarin extremely easy to identify, while neighboring iraq had ied's with sarin in them during the us occupation used by al quaeda, they shown high levels of impurity indicating they were not produced by a state actor. Things get more confusing as syria never had full control of it's stockpiles, rebels and islamic extremists took control of some of the stockpiles, the location of most is unknown while a few were reclaimed and verified by the opcw.

The is also massive stockpiles missing from libya and the govt was overthrown, with officials in that country admitting many of them ended up in syria and iraq, hinting that groups like isis were among those who aquired them.
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What I see is a mishmash of unverified reports. Why so few reports by the Syrian Observatory?

Why do you think Moscow and Damascus recently voted against allowing the OPCW to name names? We all know why. Except for you that is.
 
Rogue Valley said:
What I see is a mishmash of unverified reports. Why so few reports by the Syrian Observatory?

Why do you think Moscow and Damascus recently voted against allowing the OPCW to name names? We all know why. Except for you that is.
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The syrian oberservatory for human rights is no authority on the matter, they are damn near a one man operation compiling reports from rebel groups with practically zero on ground investigation, they are good for compiling death tolls by both sides, but as far as chemical attacks they pretty much just repeat what the rebel factions told them with actually investigating the sites, beyond that the sohr flat out refuses to release it's methodology.


In terms of actual authorities in country who actually investigate the matter properly it is the russians the syrians and the opcw, and the opcw is the un official body on the matter and the closest you will get to unbiased on the topic, if you reject the opcw it tells me you were only accepting sources which verified you pre concieved beliefs rather than the most factual or closest you can get in that region.
 
beerftw said:
The syrian oberservatory for human rights is no authority on the matter, they are damn near a one man operation compiling reports from rebel groups with practically zero on ground investigation, they are good for compiling death tolls by both sides, but as far as chemical attacks they pretty much just repeat what the rebel factions told them with actually investigating the sites, beyond that the sohr flat out refuses to release it's methodology.


In terms of actual authorities in country who actually investigate the matter properly it is the russians the syrians and the opcw, and the opcw is the un official body on the matter and the closest you will get to unbiased on the topic, if you reject the opcw it tells me you were only accepting sources which verified you pre concieved beliefs rather than the most factual or closest you can get in that region.
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Conspiracy and RT junk is what it is. We'll all agree to disagree with you.
 
beerftw said:
The syrian oberservatory for human rights is no authority on the matter, they are damn near a one man operation compiling reports from rebel groups with practically zero on ground investigation, they are good for compiling death tolls by both sides, but as far as chemical attacks they pretty much just repeat what the rebel factions told them with actually investigating the sites, beyond that the sohr flat out refuses to release it's methodology.


In terms of actual authorities in country who actually investigate the matter properly it is the russians the syrians and the opcw, and the opcw is the un official body on the matter and the closest you will get to unbiased on the topic, if you reject the opcw it tells me you were only accepting sources which verified you pre concieved beliefs rather than the most factual or closest you can get in that region.
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Until recently the OPCW was not allowed to point fingers....

Guess who fought tooth and nail to prevent the OPCW from being allowed to point fingers...
 
Fledermaus said:
Until recently the OPCW was not allowed to point fingers....

Guess who fought tooth and nail to prevent the OPCW from being allowed to point fingers...
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I know exactly who prevented them, russia and china. However pointing fingers was not productive unless complete evidence was available, and if you look through the list you would see even the un body even if fully allowed to assign blame would not on most of those on the list, as it comes down to rebel or regime statements with no one allowed to visit or test the sites or victims, just take a sides word on it which does not fly with an official investigative body.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Conspiracy and RT junk is what it is. We'll all agree to disagree with you.
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So the un opcw is now russian conspiracy junk??? You seem to just search for sources that agree with you and ignore the least biased source who also happens to be the official un investigative body and instead want a group who does not investigate anything in person but files reports.

Heck the fact you call the opcw rt junk says you are already devoid of reality and have zero intentions of any serious debate.
 
beerftw said:
I know exactly who prevented them, russia and china. However pointing fingers was not productive unless complete evidence was available, and if you look through the list you would see even the un body even if fully allowed to assign blame would not on most of those on the list, as it comes down to rebel or regime statements with no one allowed to visit or test the sites or victims, just take a sides word on it which does not fly with an official investigative body.
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You're an unbelievable naive shill for all the authoritarians in the world.
 
Rogue Valley said:
You're an unbelievable naive shill for all the authoritarians in the world.
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How so? The opcw can not verify most of the claims nor can anyone as most of those events occured during combat and the combat did not cease because of the claims, making it impossible for the investigators which is why it ends up as unverifable testimony.

Yet you calll me a shill but flat out refuse to question chemical attacks where assad had no military presence, and was in direct control by either turkey or the united states and occurred east of the euphrates.
 
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