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Saudi led coalition conducts 'legitimate' strike on bus, killing tens of children

The answer to Chagos is a load of rubbish, seeing how I never gave reason to falsely accuse me of either defending just one side or condemning just one side. The "analysis" offered (from which this stupid accusation springs) is equally nonsensical in that it stands logic on its head.

As to the accompanying overall assessment of the whole situation in Southern Arabia, I repeat the prudence of posters knowing what they speak of before posting. Where that is not a must on these forums it certainly helps to further information for other interested readers.

Post #44 shows an example of how it's done much better, specifically in the irrefutable statement that Iran doesn't have a chance in hell of throttling the Saudi economy, whether it holds Yemen or not.

Opposed to which, randomly jumping all over the place in unstructured opinion garble that has no root in diligent research or (God forbid) actual personal experience in the area, serves any such goal of being informative not in the least.
 
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Here, I'll repeat it for pertinence
Andalublue said:
~..............................Both Iran and the Saudi coalition are participating in the destruction of Yemen for strategic purposes.............................
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and I'll even shorten it for easier reading to those that maybe lack focus to the point of traipsing off into the China Seas:roll::

1) Iran and Saudi are destroying Yemen.

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2) Both have ulterior motives.

3) Lastly allies of either pursue own nefarious goals
 
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yankintx said:
I am an American who lives and works in Saudi. Things are improving for some in this country. Change comes slowly in a country controlled by the Religious fundamentalist since 1979. That is two generations now indoctrinated, that will take time to change. The Crown Prince and the Saudi people do NOT like outsiders sticking there noses in what they consider internal affairs, just ask the Canadian PM.

As for Yemen and this terrible attack on a bus full of children, it is sad. I remember Vietnam and our troops shooting chidren and old ladies. War is atrocious, two tour's in Iraqi, been there. Modern warfare now kills more civilians than troops.
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I don't see it ever happening.
 
Chagos said:
further to my post #12, here's a revealing article on the role the Kremlin envisages for itself in the conflict.

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/indepth/2018/3/6/russias-deadly-game-in-yemenI'm glad over anyone sending aid to anyone else there but the game of duplicity that Moscow is playing is the same old, same old.

It's a proxy war of interest pursuit by all sides, none of the involved parties gives a damn about the victims.
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My favorite kind. Where all the people are mere pawns. What a terrible world. Yemen has not received much attention until very recently. Their plight is unfathomable.

Ivanka showed her Daddy pictures of babies in Syria, why doesn't she do the same for the babies in Yemen?
 
yankintx said:
Its happening as we speak in Saudi, I know, I live in KSA.
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We'll see. There is a more appropriate thread I'd like to discuss this in since it's not directly related to the topic here.
 
yankintx said:
Its happening as we speak in Saudi, I know, I live in KSA.
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random aside, glad to see someone else who says 'KSA' on the internet! Usually when I type that people say wut? 'Kingdom of Saudia Arabia'!
 
Chagos said:
As I attempted to at least sketch in post #16, religion is the least of the issues in this theatre.

And if "we" leave them all to their own business, Russia will fill the gap (again).

(see post #14).

A local conflict has evolved into a global one and trying to cut only Iran out of the equation (as we're currently trying to) will resolve nothing. Saudi needs to be cut out of it as well and nobody can see that happening.

This is about power in the Gulf and regions beyond, fought out on the backs of a people that don't even know any of this, by people who don't care a hoot about scorching the whole country.

Because from Russia to the US, the Brits, Iran, Saudi and the Gulf States, it isn't their country, so who should care?
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I agree with most all of that. But the point I was trying to make is that it will be nothing but scorched earth before it stops. Religion is part of it as well. Each of the sects uses it as a reason to argue that we should be the one's in power, because only we are the true Muslims. It is used to build and fund schools to promote the ideals. Outsiders use the internal strife as a reason to come "help", when the help is only to gain access or power in the region.
And if Russia want to come play even more than they are now, they are welcome to it. They aren't any better at this than we are and the heavy handed tactics only end up getting them hated by everybody. (see Afghanistan). Speaking of which, that was perhaps one moment in recent history we might have been able to create a stable Afghanistan and perhaps set the Middle East on a different course. We should have stayed in Afghanistan after the Russians were kicked out and spent 1/10th the money we spent in 2002 rebuilding it then instead of leaving it open. Maybe no Taliban, no al Qaeda. Maybe not, but we'll never know.
 
trblmkr said:
I agree with most all of that. But the point I was trying to make is that it will be nothing but scorched earth before it stops. Religion is part of it as well. Each of the sects uses it as a reason to argue that we should be the one's in power, because only we are the true Muslims. It is used to build and fund schools to promote the ideals. Outsiders use the internal strife as a reason to come "help", when the help is only to gain access or power in the region.
And if Russia want to come play even more than they are now, they are welcome to it. They aren't any better at this than we are and the heavy handed tactics only end up getting them hated by everybody. (see Afghanistan). Speaking of which, that was perhaps one moment in recent history we might have been able to create a stable Afghanistan and perhaps set the Middle East on a different course. We should have stayed in Afghanistan after the Russians were kicked out and spent 1/10th the money we spent in 2002 rebuilding it then instead of leaving it open. Maybe no Taliban, no al Qaeda. Maybe not, but we'll never know.
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If I may borrow from you, here goes
trblmkr said:
I agree with most all of that............................~
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just to add that religion is both the most convenient corner stone of self-identification as well as a powerful rallying point. One need not be a fervent follower and often isn't but that doesn't diminish its role, even where it's usually abused.
 
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