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Turkey Says Won't Honor U.S. Demand To Stop Buying Iran's Oil

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Turkey Says Won't Honor U.S. Demand To Stop Buying Iran's Oil

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Turkish Minister of Economy Nihat Zeybekci

6/28/18
Turkey has said that it does not plan to honor a U.S. call for countries to stop importing oil from Iran, calling the demand "not binding" on Ankara. "We will follow if there are decisions, sanctions by the United Nations on this issue. Other than this, we will only follow our own interests," Turkish Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci said. Washington on June 26 warned its allies that they must end Iranian oil imports by November 4 or they will face penalties under sanctions the United States is reimposing on Tehran. Turkey, which has recently faced the threat of U.S. sanctions over Ankara's plan to purchase S-400 missile defense systems from Russia, offered sympathy and support for neighboring Iran. "We will pay attention so our friend and brother Iran will not face unfair treatment," Zeybekci said, according to state news agency Anadolu.

Time and time again, Turkey ****s on the US. But Erdogan is yet another dictator that Trump considers a pal.
 
Turkey Says Won't Honor U.S. Demand To Stop Buying Iran's Oil

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Turkish Minister of Economy Nihat Zeybekci



Time and time again, Turkey ****s on the US. But Erdogan is yet another dictator that Trump considers a pal.

Seems about right. I was never really convinced that we could count much on Turkey. They were convenient during the Cold War for places to put missiles, but they were never really on board with the West. But Trump seems more interested in alienating Canada and Europe than dealing with actual despots.
 
Turkey Says Won't Honor U.S. Demand To Stop Buying Iran's Oil

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Turkish Minister of Economy Nihat Zeybekci



Time and time again, Turkey ****s on the US. But Erdogan is yet another dictator that Trump considers a pal.

I realize that it is a bit unrelated, but I say: Now is the time think it is time that Congress recognized the Armenian Genocide, Declare that the government of the Republic of Turkey was and still is 100% responsible for it and for having lied about its involvement and covering it up for over a century, and let the pieces fall where they may. At least Donald Trump is the only President with both the stones and the lack of civility and sound political judgment to declare it.
 
I realize that it is a bit unrelated, but I say: Now is the time think it is time that Congress recognized the Armenian Genocide, Declare that the government of the Republic of Turkey was and still is 100% responsible for it and for having lied about its involvement and covering it up for over a century, and let the pieces fall where they may. At least Donald Trump is the only President with both the stones and the lack of civility and sound political judgment to declare it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...nes-to-describe-mass-killings-of-armenians-as

President Trump on Tuesday commemorated the 1915 mass slaughter of Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Turks, but again kept with past precedent in declining to call it genocide.

Trump issued a statement for Armenian Remembrance Day, which marks the anniversary of Meds Yeghern, when 1.5 million Armenians were deported, massacred or marched to their deaths by Ottoman forces.

So I wouldn't be too sure about that. Trump was congratulating Erdogan and they have agreed to "improve ties". I don't think denouncing the Armenian Genocide is part of that.
 
I realize that it is a bit unrelated, but I say: Now is the time think it is time that Congress recognized the Armenian Genocide, Declare that the government of the Republic of Turkey was and still is 100% responsible for it and for having lied about its involvement and covering it up for over a century, and let the pieces fall where they may. At least Donald Trump is the only President with both the stones and the lack of civility and sound political judgment to declare it.

I doubt Trump has ever heard of the Armenian Genocide, but, a little birdy should whisper in his ear about it, and I'm sure you'll get a tweet by the end of the day.
 
I realize that it is a bit unrelated, but I say: Now is the time think it is time that Congress recognized the Armenian Genocide, Declare that the government of the Republic of Turkey was and still is 100% responsible for it and for having lied about its involvement and covering it up for over a century, and let the pieces fall where they may. At least Donald Trump is the only President with both the stones and the lack of civility and sound political judgment to declare it.

Interesting idea... many of the Armenians fled to central California and still live there, and of course we had an Armenian governor at one time. That could be the base for a demand for reparations if you could find a friendly attorney. Win or lose, you would get publicity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Americans

So while it may not be your personal soapbox, you could generate interest if you have any contacts in the Armenia community.
 
What would you like Trump to do about it?

I don't want to answer for Rogue Valley, but I think it is time we stopped treating Turkey as any kind of long-term friend or ally and instead regard them with the same cool distrust that we regard Pakistan.
 
I don't want to answer for Rogue Valley, but I think it is time we stopped treating Turkey as any kind of long-term friend or ally and instead regard them with the same cool distrust that we regard Pakistan.

I dont disagree with that, but I genuinely have no idea what should be done about Turkey. They are a member of NATO but they are clearly moving away from the West and embracing despotism. Its a real problem in which the left will criticize Trump if he does nothing, criticize Trump if he does something and will offer no ideas of their own.
 
I don't want to answer for Rogue Valley, but I think it is time we stopped treating Turkey as any kind of long-term friend or ally and instead regard them with the same cool distrust that we regard Pakistan.

The problem is their strategic location. It's damn near impossible to get a sub through there undetected without their cooperation. A friendly Turkey bottles up the Russian fleet and prevents Russian subs from getting into the Med and leaking oil, radioactivity, vodka, sailors, and other detritus from various "deferred maintenance" faults... as well as being general pain in the ass.

It's a mischief problem. I only wonder how long before Edrogan is bumped off.
 
Why should they stop buying oil from Iran while we buy oil from Saudi Arabia, where the actual 9/11 attackers came from?

Maybe because Iran is a terrorist nation and an enemy of the US and Saudi Arabia is not. But dont left facts get in the way of your siding with anyone who opposes Trump.
 
I realize that it is a bit unrelated, but I say: Now is the time think it is time that Congress recognized the Armenian Genocide, Declare that the government of the Republic of Turkey was and still is 100% responsible for it and for having lied about its involvement and covering it up for over a century, and let the pieces fall where they may. At least Donald Trump is the only President with both the stones and the lack of civility and sound political judgment to declare it.

To what end?
You want your Congress to start berating countries for the atrocities in their pasts, where does the finger point after Turkey?
That might be a can of worms you don't want opened. For sure your President, with his cozy relationship with leaders who have their own guilty non-secrets, doesn't want to open it.
 
The problem is their strategic location. It's damn near impossible to get a sub through there undetected without their cooperation. A friendly Turkey bottles up the Russian fleet and prevents Russian subs from getting into the Med and leaking oil, radioactivity, vodka, sailors, and other detritus from various "deferred maintenance" faults... as well as being general pain in the ass.

It's a mischief problem. I only wonder how long before Edrogan is bumped off.

It probably been tried a few times.

Turkey has had a deep state in which the military would remove leaders it did not like Erdogan and the AKP purged the military of groups associated with that. The coup attempt from a few years ago I am sure was undertaken with US government knowledge.

The US support of the Kurds presents a real threat to the stability of Turkey. The weapons the US provides to Kurds have a high possibility of being used against Turkish forces in Turkey by the PKK. So why would Turkey follow US policies when it is endangering Turkey.
 
Maybe because Iran is a terrorist nation and an enemy of the US and Saudi Arabia is not. But dont left facts get in the way of your siding with anyone who opposes Trump.

The worst terrorist attack in your history, maybe anyone's history, was committed by Saudi Arabians against the US, scarring your country, but Iran is worse because of orchestrated crowds chanting, "Death to America!" in their streets? Now a country's support or opposition for Trump is the deciding factor?
 
This is not unexpected of Turkey, and unless Trump alienates our allies further I suspect it will not be a trend.

But if we see a more moderate ally-state or two jump on, then we've got real problems!

The thing is: We've never had to worry about our allies before, and they never threatened to consider deserting us. Of course we never deserted them, either. It's a whole new world out there!
 
The worst terrorist attack in your history, maybe anyone's history, was committed by Saudi Arabians against the US, scarring your country, but Iran is worse because of orchestrated crowds chanting, "Death to America!" in their streets? Now a country's support or opposition for Trump is the deciding factor?

I dont know why everything has to be explained to you liberals ten times before you understand it. I thought you guys were supposed to be the smart one :roll: Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism and Saudi Arabia is not. And Trump hatred is the motivating factor behind everything you guys say and do
 
To what end?
You want your Congress to start berating countries for the atrocities in their pasts, where does the finger point after Turkey?
That might be a can of worms you don't want opened. For sure your President, with his cozy relationship with leaders who have their own guilty non-secrets, doesn't want to open it.

I need to point out that it would not simply be berating them. What we have been doing with Turkey is the equivalent of having let the German government get away with conducting a campaign of Holocaust Denial in their country and spreading Holocaust Denial propaganda worldwide for 73 years. Turkey has blackmailed other nations into either swallowing the government's lies OR refraining from expounding on the truth that is the Armenian Genocide. They have threatened other countries with breaking off relations, and brutalizing the remaining Armenian population in Turkey if anyone dares to threaten them. And they have been able to get away with it for so long because they have been shielded by the United States. But as far as I am concerned, Turkey's strategic usefulness to the United States has dwindled considerably.

To declare the Turkish government as complicit in the continued cover-up of the Armenian Genocide is both a morally and strategically necessary to demonstrate that we do not need the approval of the Turkish government. Let Erdogan and his coterie scream like wounded eagles for all I care. And if the Republic of Turkey wants to realign itself with the corrupt, bankrupt government of the Russian Federation (which they have anyway) and Iran, they are free to. Let them be an enemy in name as well as in fact. That is their choice.
 
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The worst terrorist attack in your history, maybe anyone's history, was committed by Saudi Arabians against the US, scarring your country, but Iran is worse because of orchestrated crowds chanting, "Death to America!" in their streets? Now a country's support or opposition for Trump is the deciding factor?

No. Iran, as in the national government of the country that is Iran, is worse than Saudi Arabia because of the actions it has taken against the United States. Iran was responsible for the deaths of American soldiers in neighboring Iraq because it took the time to train and equip Shia insurgents against us. The country's government is responsible for the deaths of some 1,000 United States servicemen and women to date in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are not some unjustly-maligned state.
 
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No. Iran, as in the national government of the country that is Iran, is worse than Saudi Arabia because of the actions it has taken against the United States. Iran was responsible for the deaths of American soldiers in neighboring Iraq because it took the time to train and equip Shia insurgents against us. The country's government is responsible for the deaths of some 1,000 United States servicemen and women to date in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are not some unjustly-maligned state.

Saudi 'charities', supported by members of the royal family, have been tied to Al Qaeda and ISIS.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...links-between-saudi-royal-family-and-al-qaeda

"NEXT Charities Supporting Terrorist Organizations
This internal, top-secret report from the Treasury Department gave the intelligence details behind the decision in August of that year to list two branches the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) and one of its leaders as banned terrorist entities. The Saudi-based charity, an offshoot of the Muslim World League, supported terrorist organizations beginning in the early 1990s "through to at least the first half of 2006." Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the Saudi suit, who obtained a partly redacted copy of the Treasury Department report through the Freedom of Information Act, said other affidavits and statements from charity officials show it is largely run by members of the Saudi royal family."

Other 'charities' have been shown to be guilty as well...

Charitable Organizations and Terrorist Financing: - A War on Terror Status-Check - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

"For example, after his arrest in Indonesia on June 5, 2002, Omar al-Farouq, al-Qaeda's operational point man in Southeast Asia, told his interrogators that al-Qaeda operations in the region were funded through a branch of the Saudi-based al-Haramain Islamic Foundation. According to al-Farouq, "money was laundered through the foundation by donors from the Middle East."

And...

Similarly, in October 2002, when NATO forces raided the Saudi High Commission for Aid to Bosnia (founded by Prince Selman bin Abd al-Aziz and supported by King Fahd) they found before-and-after photographs of the World Trade Center, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the U.S.S. Cole; maps of government buildings in Washington; materials for forging U.S. State Department badges; files on the use of crop duster aircraft; and anti-Semitic and anti-American material geared toward children. An employee of this charity and another cell member who was in telephone contact with Osama Bin Ladin aide and al-Qa'ida operational commander Abu Zubayda, as well as four other Algerians, are incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay's Camp X-Ray for plotting an attack on the U.S. embassy in Sarajevo. Authorities quickly discovered $41 million were missing from the commission's operating funds."

Members of the Saudi royal family supports those terrorist groups through these 'charities. What I've quoted here is just the tip of an iceberg.
The Saudi government is working with others to uncover the extent of this problem but with small success.
 
Well if all the attention is on Iran, Turkey can pretty much do what it wants, if Iran weakens to non-major-threat level then the US will start focussing on the next unfriendly target in the region... Turkey. We'll start hearing rhetoric about the evil regime in Ankara and how we must sanction and crush it. Erdogan would be smart to help keep Iran on it's feet, I'm sure he knows this very well.
 
I realize that it is a bit unrelated, but I say: Now is the time think it is time that Congress recognized the Armenian Genocide, Declare that the government of the Republic of Turkey was and still is 100% responsible for it and for having lied about its involvement and covering it up for over a century, and let the pieces fall where they may. At least Donald Trump is the only President with both the stones and the lack of civility and sound political judgment to declare it.

That would also be quite the bold lie, the Republic of Turkey had nothing to do with it as it did not exist until 1922 or 1923 depending on who you ask, it was the Ottomans. By all means recognize it but lying about it will do nothing but give Erdogan more ammunition to throw at the US.
 
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