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Turkey Says Won't Honor U.S. Demand To Stop Buying Iran's Oil

Grand Mal said:
Saudi 'charities', supported by members of the royal family, have been tied to Al Qaeda and ISIS.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...links-between-saudi-royal-family-and-al-qaeda

"NEXT Charities Supporting Terrorist Organizations
This internal, top-secret report from the Treasury Department gave the intelligence details behind the decision in August of that year to list two branches the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) and one of its leaders as banned terrorist entities. The Saudi-based charity, an offshoot of the Muslim World League, supported terrorist organizations beginning in the early 1990s "through to at least the first half of 2006." Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the Saudi suit, who obtained a partly redacted copy of the Treasury Department report through the Freedom of Information Act, said other affidavits and statements from charity officials show it is largely run by members of the Saudi royal family."

Other 'charities' have been shown to be guilty as well...

Charitable Organizations and Terrorist Financing: - A War on Terror Status-Check - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

"For example, after his arrest in Indonesia on June 5, 2002, Omar al-Farouq, al-Qaeda's operational point man in Southeast Asia, told his interrogators that al-Qaeda operations in the region were funded through a branch of the Saudi-based al-Haramain Islamic Foundation. According to al-Farouq, "money was laundered through the foundation by donors from the Middle East."

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Similarly, in October 2002, when NATO forces raided the Saudi High Commission for Aid to Bosnia (founded by Prince Selman bin Abd al-Aziz and supported by King Fahd) they found before-and-after photographs of the World Trade Center, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the U.S.S. Cole; maps of government buildings in Washington; materials for forging U.S. State Department badges; files on the use of crop duster aircraft; and anti-Semitic and anti-American material geared toward children. An employee of this charity and another cell member who was in telephone contact with Osama Bin Ladin aide and al-Qa'ida operational commander Abu Zubayda, as well as four other Algerians, are incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay's Camp X-Ray for plotting an attack on the U.S. embassy in Sarajevo. Authorities quickly discovered $41 million were missing from the commission's operating funds."

Members of the Saudi royal family supports those terrorist groups through these 'charities. What I've quoted here is just the tip of an iceberg.
The Saudi government is working with others to uncover the extent of this problem but with small success.
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I am well aware of the foul activities of members of the Saudi Royal Family and many clerics within Saudi Arabia. Just because I am vociferously against the Iranian regime and want to see the government of Iran and its most ardent supporters destroyed does not mean I am a partisan for the House of Saud. The reason organizations such as ISIS ever came into existence was because of the spread of Wahhabism (Saudi-style Salafism) worldwide through the use of Saudi-funded mosques over the last several decades. Global Sunni Islamic terror has its roots in Saudi Arabia. No one looking at the facts with any measure of honesty can deny that.

All that does not mean I do not consider Iran a far greater immediate threat to the safety and interests of the United States and its allies. In the same way that Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan were greater immediate threats to us and our interests, even if the Soviet Union would eventually become a greater ideological and existential threat in the aftermath of the Second World War.
 
Felis Leo said:
I am well aware of the foul activities of members of the Saudi Royal Family and many clerics within Saudi Arabia. Just because I am vociferously against the Iranian regime and want to see the government of Iran and its most ardent supporters destroyed does not mean I am a partisan for the House of Saud. The reason organizations such as ISIS ever came into existence was because of the spread of Wahhabism (Saudi-style Salafism) worldwide through the use of Saudi-funded mosques over the last several decades. Global Sunni Islamic terror has its roots in Saudi Arabia. No one looking at the facts with any measure of honesty can deny that.

All that does not mean I do not consider Iran a far greater immediate threat to the safety and interests of the United States and its allies. In the same way that Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan were greater immediate threats to us and our interests, even if the Soviet Union would eventually become a greater ideological and existential threat in the aftermath of the Second World War.
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I see where you're both coming from, but the topic isn't Iran. While Iran is an incredibly ****ing huge country with a handful of nukes, Turkey has over 100 of ours - not to mention the Turkish government has ties to the Greek Orthodox Church, and thus - virtually any and all country with a majority of Eastern Orthodox Christians. Many people forget this, because when the Roman Empire split, and was divided between East and West, many people typically think of the West with regard to Political Christianity - ie, the Vatican. They forget about the East, which lays claim to one of Turkey's closest allies - Russia - with being the largest Christian-majority country in the world. Wherever Turkey goes, they go. Turkey is a rather large country that - if even the size of Iraq - still punches way above its weight as far as raw power goes.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I see where you're both coming from, but the topic isn't Iran. While Iran is an incredibly ****ing huge country with a handful of nukes, Turkey has over 100 of ours - not to mention the Turkish government has ties to the Greek Orthodox Church, and thus - virtually any and all country with a majority of Eastern Orthodox Christians. Many people forget this, because when the Roman Empire split, and was divided between East and West, many people typically think of the West with regard to Political Christianity - ie, the Vatican. They forget about the East, which lays claim to one of Turkey's closest allies - Russia - with being the largest Christian-majority country in the world. Wherever Turkey goes, they go. Turkey is a rather large country that - if even the size of Iraq - still punches way above its weight as far as raw power goes.
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Turkey only punches above its weight due to NATO membership and huge US military assistance. Without these fonts of power, Turkey would be another Iraq.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Turkey only punches above its weight due to NATO membership and huge US military assistance. Without these fonts of power, Turkey would be another Iraq.
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Except for the fact that Turkey is primarily a plateau, has three times the manpower of Iraq, has ties to the Eastern Orthodox Church and influence in the Balkans, Syria, Iraq, East Jerusalem, and Cyprus. Not to mention the fact that they are commanding the loyalties of populations abroad. In any form of open conflict with NATO, Turkey would immediately seize the nukes at Incirlik, in - like, literally - a heartbeat.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
In any form of open conflict with NATO, Turkey would immediately seize the nukes at Incirlik, in - like, literally - a heartbeat.
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Turkey doesn't possess the PAL codes, but still, all nuclear warheads should be removed from Incirlik asap.
 
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