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"The Godly Thing to Do Is to Kill You", American Christians Preach Gospel in Israel

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Are you kidding? We just elected the Ugliest American, and the legions of his Ugly American fan base are cheering, because they think that the rest of the world NEEDS Ugly Americans, who excel at...being ugly.
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I wish we had someone like Trump to take down the entrenched establishment who treat the voters with contempt. They, the political classes, call us 'populists' or 'deplorables' and are scared stiff that their greed and overweening sense of entitlement is at long last being exposed. Bravo US voters.
 
truthatallcost said:
My comparison was the most relevant, because it was the reverse of what occurred in the video I posted, and it was geared towards the poster I was responding to.
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No, not at all.


truthatallcost said:
Well prove me wrong then. You can't, so you won't, but you'll make another fact free post nonetheless. You can't debunk what I've said, because you haven't bothered to read about the topics I've mentioned.
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Prove you wrong? Debunk you? You haven't made a supportable claim yet.
 
Sweden said:
I wish we had someone like Trump to take down the entrenched establishment who treat the voters with contempt. They, the political classes, call us 'populists' or 'deplorables' and are scared stiff that their greed and overweening sense of entitlement is at long last being exposed. Bravo US voters.
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you can have the bastard take him please more of us voted for clinton
 
blarg said:
Sweden said:
he is a loud mouth oaf i to have no sympathy for him either but death threats slander and lawbreaking are not acceptable to me because you're annoyed

its disturbing your ok with that
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So some other idiot makes a 'death threat'. I do not think we are required to take that seriously.
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Sweden said:
blarg said:
So some other idiot makes a 'death threat'. I do not think we are required to take that seriously.
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should take them more seriously then we take the preaching idiots with just as high a standard for behavior

god wants you put to death is worse then jebus is teh messiah your all doing religion wrong
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Sweden said:
Jerusalem also attracts fanatical Christians like this ill-mannered American lout. Who the hell does he think he is arrogantly demanding the right to be a nuisance in someone else's capital?
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Kind of like Washington, D.C. attracts fanatical, bullhorn-wielding social justice warrior louts who preach against our president, except instead of going it solo or in groups of twos, they show up by the tens of thousands. ;) But, honestly, even though he was somewhat obnoxious and inconsiderate, I didn't see anything fanatical or out of the ordinary in his message: "Jesus is the one, true Messiah; repent your sins; He died on the cross and was resurrected...." He sounded like a bald version of Billy Graham. :lol:

And the issue of Jerusalem as modern Israel's political capital is still up for debate. It's also religiously significant to the other two major monotheistic religions, and, under the U.N. partition plan, was set up as an international city. With the exception of the U.S. and a few other countries such as Guatemala, most countries of the world recognize Tel Aviv as Israel's capital.
 
truthatallcost said:
*Please watch the video before commenting. Thank you*



Maybe using a microphone was a bit excessive, but there was nothing illegal about it. The IDF soldiers admitted as much. Israelis hold no special place in their hearts for American Christians, in fact some openly shout death threats if you display your religion in public over there. And while we often like to think of Israel as being a tolerant, democratic, pro-American oasis in a sea of anti American Islamic countries, I think we're merely imagining the Israel we wish existed, instead of the one that does exist.
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Dude's preaching is obnoxious, but the behaviour of those that approached the cameraman was completely wrong and uncalled for.
 
truthatallcost said:
Ok, so lets say a group of Israelis went to proselytize in Tyler, Texas. Are you going to accost them, and tell them you should kill them?
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Personally? I wouldn't. I love jews though. Tyler has a lot of "we like Israel, but we don't want your theology". Having done research into judaism and everything, if Jews did proselytize, they'd be treated like jehovah's witnesses(not good), I guarentee you. You see how texas treats gays and athiests, so godforbid a jew opens his mouth and says "Jesus didn't exist".
 
Ahlevah said:
I didn't see anything fanatical or out of the ordinary in his message: "Jesus is the one, true Messiah; repent your sins; He died on the cross and was resurrected...." He sounded like a bald version of Billy Graham. :lol:
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See, I disagree. I've lived internationally for a long time, for the Navy and for college studies. We're USED to this kind of message, so it's not a big, or radical, deal to us. In Israel though, they actually have a universal ban on proselytizing(Jews, Christians, and Muslims), because historically, proselytes would try to force-convert, monitor them, and even take their children away, not to mention post-mortem baptisms. We think of a proselyte as some raging guy on a street, to them, they see the last 2000 years of exile. What this man was doing was illegal.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
What this man was doing was illegal.
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According to whom? Modern Israel was created in 1947 under a U.N. mandate, the same mandate that provided for Jerusalem being an international city under U.N. administration. Israel won Jerusalem by force, not law, so one could reasonably argue the the entire government in Jerusalem is illegal. This is brought home by the fact that only the U.S. and two banana republics maintain embassies there.
 
Ahlevah said:
According to whom? Modern Israel was created in 1947 under a U.N. mandate, the same mandate that provided for Jerusalem being an international city under U.N. administration. Israel won Jerusalem by force, not law, so one could reasonably argue the the entire government in Jerusalem is illegal. This is brought home by the fact that only the U.S. and two banana republics maintain embassies there.
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Illegal according to the law of Israel, which he agreed to obey when got his visa to visit. You don't like that? you can fight Israel's government on your own, and good luck to you!
 
truthatallcost said:
So you think it's appropriate to

1) issue death threats at people over religious differences
2) attempt to get people arrested by lying about them hurting children
3) disregard laws in order to deny them even speaking in public
4) slap someone's camera

All of those things occurred during the video, and they're all worse than someone speaking through a microphone about their religion.
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Well, if I was judging by conservative american values. Yes, all of those things are appropriate when dealing with someone of a different faith.
 
Apocalypse said:
What does any of this pathetic and laughable comment has to do with my careful explanation to you about extremists and radicals and how they're looked at by the overwhelming majority of society?
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Because my comment illustrates the fact that religious extremism and radicalism are NOT UNUSUAL in Israel, but is actually the norm. And coincidentally, political extremism and radicalism are also the norm in Israel. I can provide examples of both of these claims if you would like to progress the maturity of the discussion beyond labeling things "pathetic and laughable", when you can't dispute them.

I mentioned your views as an example since they're laughable in the eyes of the majority of Americans (and human society in general).
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I believe you know that most Americans aren't very educated about Israel, and that their lack of knowledge on the matter benefits your country. I don't really care if I sound radical to someone who never bothered to study the subject in the first place. Norman Finkelstein is probably the most intensive researcher in the world when it comes to Israeli affairs, and he's also been blacklisted as a 'radical' by charlatans, namely Alan Dershowitz.
 
When 1 kid in the class fails, there is something wrong with that kid, when everyone in class fails there is something wrong with the teacher.

The closing scene in Schindler's list always stands out to me, the Russian soldier on horse back says to the group of Jews, you can't go that way, then he points in another direction and says, they hate you over there, try that way.

When you are hated the world over, you must be the problem.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
See, I disagree. I've lived internationally for a long time, for the Navy and for college studies. We're USED to this kind of message, so it's not a big, or radical, deal to us. In Israel though, they actually have a universal ban on proselytizing(Jews, Christians, and Muslims), because historically, proselytes would try to force-convert, monitor them, and even take their children away, not to mention post-mortem baptisms. We think of a proselyte as some raging guy on a street, to them, they see the last 2000 years of exile. What this man was doing was illegal.
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Israel uses this as an excuse to quash dissent. The majority of Jewish people in Israel are the result of religious conversions that took place in Europe during those 2000 years you speak of. Those conversions involved European women converting to Judaism to marry Jewish men, ala Ivanka Trump.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Personally? I wouldn't. I love jews though. Tyler has a lot of "we like Israel, but we don't want your theology". Having done research into judaism and everything, if Jews did proselytize, they'd be treated like jehovah's witnesses(not good), I guarentee you. You see how texas treats gays and athiests, so godforbid a jew opens his mouth and says "Jesus didn't exist".
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The Texas of today is very different than what the state used to be like. Austin reminds me of Portland Oregon, or San Francisco. A city the size of Austin would be comparable to a larger Israeli city like Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv, for experiencing people of different cultures. No one in Austin is going to care if some Israelis went about town telling folks about their religion.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Illegal according to the law of Israel, which he agreed to obey when got his visa to visit.
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The proselytizer believes we all answer to a higher law, and those who don't embrace it will someday gain their just deserts. :2wave:

You don't like that? you can fight Israel's government on your own, and good luck to you!
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Personally, I don't care as long as people of all faiths are allowed to worship at the holy sites. Regardless, Israel has a long-term demographic problem. There simply are more Palestinians being born than Jews, and that will ultimately settle the question of the Jewish state, unless the Jews plan some sort of apartheid system. Ask the white South Africans how that worked out.
 
truthatallcost said:
The Texas of today is very different than what the state used to be like. Austin reminds me of Portland Oregon, or San Francisco. A city the size of Austin would be comparable to a larger Israeli city like Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv, for experiencing people of different cultures. No one in Austin is going to care if some Israelis went about town telling folks about their religion.
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"Let me take this small segment of texas, that looks nothing like the rest of texas(Tyler), and compare it to some city in the middle east!"

Don't be so sure about Austin. Yea, it's a progressive city, because of the heavy hispanic population, but there is a lot of old-ass style catholics there, that do not consider themselves friends of jews, nor Israel.

Point of the matter is, Israel has outlawed proselytizing, and for good reason. If that's too big of an issue for you, then don't go visit, and if you do visit, respect their laws. It's such a simple thing.
 
Ahlevah said:
The proselytizer believes we all answer to a higher law, and those who don't embrace it will someday gain their just deserts. :2wave:
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As do I, and until judgement day arrives, we respect each other's laws and customs.

Personally, I don't care as long as people of all faiths are allowed to worship at the holy sites.
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they are.
Regardless, Israel has a long-term demographic problem. There simply are more Palestinians being born than Jews, and that will ultimately settle the question of the Jewish state, unless the Jews plan some sort of apartheid system. Ask the white South Africans how that worked out.
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yea....about that...fertility rate for Arabs has fallen dramatically, while Israel's is slowly trending upwards. It's not just in Israel, but across all arab nations.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-arab-fertility-rates-in-israel-on-par-for-first-time/
Israel has the highest birth rate in the developed world, and that's becoming a problem - Business Insider
https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2018/05/israels-demographic-miracle/

Just stop being a hater. People have been talking up the demographic problems for a long time, and it hasn't materialized because liberals are actually good for one thing, and that's spreading birth control.
 
truthatallcost said:
Israel uses this as an excuse to quash dissent.
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My suggest is to respect their laws when you're inside Israel. You don't have to visit, and they certainly don't have to welcome you.
The majority of Jewish people in Israel are the result of religious conversions that took place in Europe during those 2000 years you speak of. Those conversions involved European women converting to Judaism to marry Jewish men, ala Ivanka Trump.
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Interesting. If I convert to Islam, I'm a muslim, but if I convert to Judaism, I'm not a Jew? Odd how that works.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
"Let me take this small segment of texas, that looks nothing like the rest of texas(Tyler), and compare it to some city in the middle east!"
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I mentioned Austin partly because you didn't seem to consider what I said about Tyler, which is that no one there would make death threats if some Israelis talked about Moses on a microphone in a public space. They may be asked to turn the volume down, or scrap the microphone, but no one would attack them. Fair enough?

Don't be so sure about Austin. Yea, it's a progressive city, because of the heavy hispanic population, but there is a lot of old-ass style catholics there, that do not consider themselves friends of jews, nor Israel.

Point of the matter is, Israel has outlawed proselytizing, and for good reason. If that's too big of an issue for you, then don't go visit, and if you do visit, respect their laws. It's such a simple thing.
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Hell, I'm pretty sure I'm on Israel's banned persons list by now! I've exposed the family jewels one too many times. There's probably an algorithm somewhere that has spotted me as an infiltrator of the master faith.

(joking, no one get too butt hurt over this please, thank you)
 
DarkWizard12 said:
My suggest is to respect their laws when you're inside Israel. You don't have to visit, and they certainly don't have to welcome you.
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That doesn't address the point of my comment, but whatever. Seems to be a trend whenever anyone critiques Israel.

Interesting. If I convert to Islam, I'm a muslim, but if I convert to Judaism, I'm not a Jew? Odd how that works.
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?? Notice how I referred to 'Jewish people in Israel'? What makes you think I'm implying that they're not Jewish?
 
truthatallcost said:
I mentioned Austin partly because you didn't seem to consider what I said about Tyler, which is that no one there would make death threats if some Israelis talked about Moses on a microphone in a public space. They may be asked to turn the volume down, or scrap the microphone, but no one would attack them. Fair enough?
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The **** you talking about? OF COURSE they would! I've seen it! Tyler is home of the Texas Alt-right https://www.texasobserver.org/hate-watch-racist-threats-spike-after-trump/. they harass muslims, and I've never seen muslims proselytize. What do you think they'd do if a jew proselytized? It'd be a lot more than death threats. this is twice now I've shown you.
Hell, I'm pretty sure I'm on Israel's banned persons list by now! I've exposed the family jewels one too many times. There's probably an algorithm somewhere that has spotted me as an infiltrator of the master faith.
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Where I come from, we call that a bad thing.
 
truthatallcost said:
That doesn't address the point of my comment, but whatever. Seems to be a trend whenever anyone critiques Israel.
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Thats because I understand your point. No matter what is said or done, nothing will make you treat Israel with the same regard as you treat the US, China, the UK, Turkey, or any nation on this earth. Israel, and only Israel, is to be hated, and no other country is to be hated, but Israel.

As it is your right to hold such belief, despite my many objections, I am not interested in falling down a rabbit hole with you about. I think of Israel the SAME exact way I think of the UK, I love both. They are beautiful nations with beautiful people, I don't want to see either one in danger.


?? Notice how I referred to 'Jewish people in Israel'?
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And what's wrong with a Jewish person inside Israel, as opposed to a Jewish person outside it?
What makes you think I'm implying that they're not Jewish?
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Well, then, I don't see the point in bringing up converts then. Every religion has, and allowed converts. It was even Moses that started the practice, by converting egyptians and non-semitic slaves to Judaism himself. The only people who are supposed to be "ethnic Jews" are high priests, and 2000 kohanim live in Djerba, Tunisia themselves, never setting foot in Europe, but thousands of them have moved to Israel.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Thats because I understand your point. No matter what is said or done, nothing will make you treat Israel with the same regard as you treat the US, China, the UK, Turkey, or any nation on this earth. Israel, and only Israel, is to be hated, and no other country is to be hated, but Israel.

As it is your right to hold such belief, despite my many objections, I am not interested in falling down a rabbit hole with you about. I think of Israel the SAME exact way I think of the UK, I love both. They are beautiful nations with beautiful people, I don't want to see either one in danger.
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- we don't give the UK billions of free $$ per year, plus free weapons technology that the UK turns around and sells to China
- the UK hasn't carried out terrorist attacks against Americans, and then staged them to look like someone else did it
- the UK doesn't goad us into sending our military personnel to fight and die for them

etc, etc, etc.....



And what's wrong with a Jewish person inside Israel, as opposed to a Jewish person outside it?
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???

Well, then, I don't see the point in bringing up converts then. Every religion has, and allowed converts. It was even Moses that started the practice, by converting egyptians and non-semitic slaves to Judaism himself. The only people who are supposed to be "ethnic Jews" are high priests, and 2000 kohanim live in Djerba, Tunisia themselves, never setting foot in Europe, but thousands of them have moved to Israel.
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Thank you.
 
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