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Iranian Nuclear Program

late said:
Not all of it expires.

Besides, if Trump kills it, or a Right wing lunatic takes us to war against Iran, the point will be moot.

We wanted them to stop, they stopped.

You can stop trying to grab defeat out of the jaws of victory now.
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The archive taken from Iran is a material breach of the nuclear deal.

Paragraph T.82 of the deal bars Iran from conducting “activities which could contribute to the design and development of a nuclear explosive device.” The only possible purpose of the archive was to enable Iran to build on the progress it already made toward designing and developing a nuclear explosive device.

Deals entered into under false pretense which are not being respected by the Iranians will not help us.

Also,, wonderful analysis from Carloine Glick, seemingly the only person commenting on Israel issues that consistently gets it.

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Column-One-Watching-Netanyahu-in-Tehran-553454
 
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late said:
Not all of it expires.

Besides, if Trump kills it, or a Right wing lunatic takes us to war against Iran, the point will be moot.

We wanted them to stop, they stopped.

You can stop trying to grab defeat out of the jaws of victory now.
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Nice try, however there is NO inspections anytime anywhere or on any military base in the deal. So you know nothing.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
The archive taken from Iran is a material breach of the nuclear deal.

Paragraph T.82 of the deal bars Iran from conducting “activities which could contribute to the design and development of a nuclear explosive device.” The only possible purpose of the archive was to enable Iran to build on the progress it already made toward designing and developing a nuclear explosive device.

Deals entered into under false pretense which are not being respected by the Iranians will not help us.

Also,, wonderful analysis from Carloine Glick, seemingly the only person commenting on Israel issues that consistently gets it.

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Column-One-Watching-Netanyahu-in-Tehran-553454
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A bunch of old papers does not constitute a significant breach of the deal.

If you held us to that standard, we'd be in the Hague for an entire century.

What you have is trivia.

There is no active development program.

The damage caused by breaking that deal would be enormous. While it could lead to war, it would almost certainly lead to a restart of their nuclear program.

I've been watching hawks trying to get us into a war with Iran for decades. This is just the latest chapter.
 
Born Free said:
Nice try, however there is NO inspections anytime anywhere or on any military base in the deal. So you know nothing.
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You need an actual point.

Which, coincidentally, you don't have.
 
late said:
A bunch of old papers does not constitute a significant breach of the deal.
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LOL. Well thank you Mr. legal scholar.

Now shockingly enough "age" is not a relevant criteria in the agreement. They were required to relinquish these materials. They hid them instead. The only purpose of hiding them instead of destroying them was to preserve the learnings in the materials. And the only reason for wanting to maintain those learnings is for future bomb building.

That's a breach.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
That's a breach.
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Never said it wasn't.

What I implied is that the only reason to make a big deal out of that is if you want a war.

You need a better excuse.

A few trillion times better...
 
late said:
Never said it wasn't.

What I implied is that the only reason to make a big deal out of that is if you want a war.

You need a better excuse.

A few trillion times better...
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Actually, no.

You should read the article I posted. This is about actually dealing with the problem, not pretending it doesn't exist because the only solution you can imagine is a bad one.

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Column-One-Watching-Netanyahu-in-Tehran-553454

If this is handled well, the future is a brighter one for everyone, most particularly for the Iranian people themselves.

Otherwise, you might as well just change your name to Chamberlain and call it a day.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Actually, no.

You should read the article I posted.
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I read it.

You didn't respond to my points, not that I thought you would, or could.

Breaking the deal would be a rolling disaster. The cure is trillions of times worse than the disease.

You need a reason to start a war that's a lot better than that.
 
late said:
You need an actual point.

Which, coincidentally, you don't have.
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It's not that hard to understand, without inspections anytime anywhere and none on any military bases in Iran. You know nothing.

I take it you missed Reagan's famous quote "Trust but Verify" Obama never knew what Verify meant. He relied on the Russians of all people to insure Syria removed ALL of it's WMDs.

You on the lift will never utter these words "Trust but Verify" and "Peace through Strength"
 
late said:
I read it.

You didn't respond to my points, not that I thought you would, or could.

Breaking the deal would cause all manner of problems. The cure is trillions of times worse than the disease.

You need a reason to start a war that's a lot better than that.
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This will not likely lead to war and the Americans and Israelis both don't want war.

This is how wars are prevented.
 
Born Free said:
It's not that hard to understand, without inspections anytime anywhere and non on any military bases in Iran.
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"Inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations organization tasked with monitoring Iran's nuclear facilities, have not requested access to military sites since the agreement went into effect, according to experts monitoring the process.

The IAEA, in its most recent report in June, said Iran was meeting its obligations under the pact."

You are parroting propaganda.


Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure
 
late said:
"Inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations organization tasked with monitoring Iran's nuclear facilities, have not requested access to military sites since the agreement went into effect, according to experts monitoring the process.

The IAEA, in its most recent report in June, said Iran was meeting its obligations under the pact."

You are parroting propaganda.


Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure
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Does Naive mean anything to you, the IAEA can only inspect when Iran lets them, do you not understand there is no provision to inspect anytime anywhere. Without that you have nothing. :doh
 
Born Free said:
Without that you have nothing.
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Incorrect, we have stopped Iran from developing nukes.

What you have is nothing.

Propaganda this weak reminds me of the run up to the Iraq war.
 
late said:
You mean this might not last until the end of time??????

I am shocked, I am appalled. (not really)

The basic problem remains. This is a trillion times better than any alternative.

And the underlying issue is war lovers trying to get us into yet another war...
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The irony is that it is your position that leads to a war.

Crippling sanctions have been proven to work with Iran and they shouldn't have ended until Iran stopped their nuclear weapon aspirations and stopped their sponsoring of terrorism around the globe.
 
Apocalypse said:
The irony is that it is your position that leads to a war.

Crippling sanctions have been proven to work with Iran and they shouldn't have ended until Iran stopped their nuclear weapon aspirations and stopped their sponsoring of terrorism around the globe.
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The nuke deal brought with it an easing of tensions. Things were quite bad for a very long time.

This is better.

You keep shoveling different types of crap, if we kill the deal, our allies will walk. It will be impossible to get back to where we are now, much less to a stricter regime.

Underneath your crap, war drums.
 
late said:
The nuke deal brought with it an easing of tensions. Things were quite bad for a very long time.

This is better.

You keep shoveling different types of crap, if we kill the deal, our allies will walk. It will be impossible to get back to where we are now, much less to a stricter regime.

Underneath your crap, war drums.
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Yeah, tensions are way better when Iran is actively supporting massive terrorist and imperialist expansionist efforts rather than before where they were much less effective at it.

tensions would go way down if we just gave up and handed them the keys too...
 
there was nothing new about the report,the world did not know.
 
Mosadegh said:
there was nothing new about the report,the world did not know.
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In which case the world should have never entered into the agreement in the first place. Because if the world knew that Iran had such an advanced program and was hiding the findings to be used at a later date, there is no possible reason for them to agree to the deal that they did.
 
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