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Iraq sentences 19 Russian women to life for joining IS: judiciary

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Iraq sentences 19 Russian women to life for joining IS: judiciary

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Russian women sentenced to life in prison for joining IS jihadists stand with their children at a court in Baghdad on April 29, 2018

4/29/18

Iraq on Sunday sentenced 19 Russian women to life in prison for joining the Islamic State group, the latest in a series of heavy verdicts against foreign women linked to the jihadists. The head of Baghdad's Central Criminal Court, which deals with terrorism cases, said the women were found guilty of "joining and supporting IS", according to an AFP journalist at the hearing. Six women from Azerbaijan and four from Tajikistan were also condemned to life in prison Sunday on the same charge. The women, who have the right to appeal against the sentences, entered the court one-by-one dressed in black headscarves and pink blouses, most of them accompanied by their children. They addressed the court through a translator, a Russian-language professor at Baghdad University hired by their embassy for the trial. "We will contact the parents to inform them of the verdict," a Russian diplomat at the hearing told AFP.

Baghdad declared military victory over the jihadists in December, after expelling them from all urban centres. It has detained at least 560 women and 600 children identified as jihadists or relatives of suspected IS fighters, and is wasting no time in putting them on trial. Most of the women on trial Sunday claimed they were tricked into going to Iraq. "I did not know we were in Iraq," said one of the accused. "I went with my husband and my children to Turkey to live there, and then I suddenly discovered that I was actually in Iraq." Iraqi courts have sentenced to death a total of more than 300 people, including dozens of foreigners, for belonging to IS, judicial sources said earlier this month. Iraq's anti-terrorism law empowers courts to convict people who are believed to have helped jihadists even if they are not accused of carrying out attacks.

Personally, I don't agree with this "pretense at justice". I believe many of the foreign women were deceived regarding their ultimate destination. Once there, what could they do [with perhaps children in tow] within such a violent, sadistic, and male-dominated society? Unless evidence of a violent felony or trafficking exists, all foreign women and their children should be declared personae non gratae and expelled to their native country. What we have here is a sham justice system that is little better than ISIS sharia justice.

From what I understand, such a trial will last [at most] 30 minutes. The defense attorney present has never met with any defendants prior to their courtroom appearance. There are only four possible trial outcomes.....

1) Innocent - released
2) Guilty - 15 years hard labor
3) Guilty - a life sentence
4) Guilty - death by hanging
 
Iraq sentences 19 Russian women to life for joining IS: judiciary

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Russian women sentenced to life in prison for joining IS jihadists stand with their children at a court in Baghdad on April 29, 2018



Personally, I don't agree with this "pretense at justice". I believe many of the foreign women were deceived regarding their ultimate destination. Once there, what could they do [with perhaps children in tow] within such a violent, sadistic, and male-dominated society? Unless evidence of a violent felony or trafficking exists, all foreign women and their children should be declared personae non gratae and expelled to their native country. What we have here is a sham justice system that is little better than ISIS sharia justice.

From what I understand, such a trial will last [at most] 30 minutes. The defense attorney present has never met with any defendants prior to their courtroom appearance. There are only four possible trial outcomes.....

1) Innocent - released
2) Guilty - 15 years hard labor
3) Guilty - a life sentence
4) Guilty - death by hanging

Well at least the Iraqi's are smart enough to not kill them with the rest, that would have been a problem for Putin, causing Putin problems without a good reason would be dumb.
 
Iraq sentences 19 Russian women to life for joining IS: judiciary

dd61724dffc19446894174e2db8fe1b2655c3713.jpg

Russian women sentenced to life in prison for joining IS jihadists stand with their children at a court in Baghdad on April 29, 2018



Personally, I don't agree with this "pretense at justice". I believe many of the foreign women were deceived regarding their ultimate destination. Once there, what could they do [with perhaps children in tow] within such a violent, sadistic, and male-dominated society? Unless evidence of a violent felony or trafficking exists, all foreign women and their children should be declared personae non gratae and expelled to their native country. What we have here is a sham justice system that is little better than ISIS sharia justice.

From what I understand, such a trial will last [at most] 30 minutes. The defense attorney present has never met with any defendants prior to their courtroom appearance. There are only four possible trial outcomes.....

1) Innocent - released
2) Guilty - 15 years hard labor
3) Guilty - a life sentence
4) Guilty - death by hanging

Well said!
 
Iraq sentences 19 Russian women to life for joining IS: judiciary

dd61724dffc19446894174e2db8fe1b2655c3713.jpg

Russian women sentenced to life in prison for joining IS jihadists stand with their children at a court in Baghdad on April 29, 2018



Personally, I don't agree with this "pretense at justice". I believe many of the foreign women were deceived regarding their ultimate destination. Once there, what could they do [with perhaps children in tow] within such a violent, sadistic, and male-dominated society? Unless evidence of a violent felony or trafficking exists, all foreign women and their children should be declared personae non gratae and expelled to their native country. What we have here is a sham justice system that is little better than ISIS sharia justice.

From what I understand, such a trial will last [at most] 30 minutes. The defense attorney present has never met with any defendants prior to their courtroom appearance. There are only four possible trial outcomes.....

1) Innocent - released
2) Guilty - 15 years hard labor
3) Guilty - a life sentence
4) Guilty - death by hanging

Some were no doubt duped, others went along willingly. How many are complicit in crimes against humanity. Iraq was devastated by ISIL, how many thousands were executed and buried in mass graves.

Fact Western countries do not want those captured back, and neither do I.
There is a legal case ongoing, Kurd's turned over an ISIL member, dual US/Saudi citizenship. That case is before the courts.
I will be brutally honest, if it was me that they attempted to turn him over to, I would tell them keep him, try him and let the cards fall where they may.
 
If one doesn't already know, the government of Iraq is heavily influenced by the Shia sect of Islam. So is Syria (their government is influenced by an offshoot of Shia Islam).
Conflicts in the Middle East are forever between the Shia and Sunni sects of Islam who both are forever against Israel.

The Islamic State is a Sunni-backed organization (so is ISIL).
 
Some were no doubt duped, others went along willingly. How many are complicit in crimes against humanity.

Sorry. I don't believe one is automatically guilty of a crime simply via marriage or family. That's archaic.

We'll just have to disagree
 
I'm confused on something tho, were they actually connected to IS? Is there evidence of this? Or are the Iraqis just using that as an excuse to do something about foreigners on their soil.

Either way, I hope the US minds it's own damn business on this. If a US person is tried, we should get involved. Otherwise, we need to leave Iraq alone and never stir that **** pot ever again.
 
I'm confused on something tho, were they actually connected to IS? Is there evidence of this? Or are the Iraqis just using that as an excuse to do something about foreigners on their soil.

Either way, I hope the US minds it's own damn business on this. If a US person is tried, we should get involved. Otherwise, we need to leave Iraq alone and never stir that **** pot ever again.


Agree, we need to stay out of the area with our troops. We screwed the pooch by dissolving the Iraqi Army, and helped to stoke the sectarian violence. Cheney was warned by the Saudis to tread carefully, that it would open a pandoras box, anyone with a lick of common knowledge of the area could see what was going to happen.
 
Sorry. I don't believe one is automatically guilty of a crime simply via marriage or family. That's archaic.

We'll just have to disagree
Never stated they were all guilty.
Do we expect Western Justice? In the ME, not going to happen. Are many trials a sham, yes.
While we disagree, would you accept a few thousand back into the US?
The realty is the West does not want them back. Not the US, not Canada, not Western Europe.
 
Don’t have a whole of ****s to give about those who decided joining ISIS was a swell idea.
 
Sorry. I don't believe one is automatically guilty of a crime simply via marriage or family. That's archaic.

We'll just have to disagree

Did these women choose to go to Iraq? Did they choose to join up with ISIS? Everyone knows what ISIS stands for. Why should anyone feel bad for people who chose to be a part of a deeply evil group?
 
Never stated they were all guilty.
Do we expect Western Justice? In the ME, not going to happen. Are many trials a sham, yes.
While we disagree, would you accept a few thousand back into the US?
The realty is the West does not want them back. Not the US, not Canada, not Western Europe.

There is not a few thousand from the US. That's hyperbole. I doubt there is even a dozen.

The most came from other ME countries (many from Tunisia and Morocco) and Russia/satellites such as Chechnya, and the Stans.

This is kangaroo justice. I condemn it in Russia, and I'll condemn it in Iraq as well. Anything less would be hypocritical.
 
Did these women choose to go to Iraq? Did they choose to join up with ISIS? Everyone knows what ISIS stands for. Why should anyone feel bad for people who chose to be a part of a deeply evil group?

Some did. But many wound up there simply by marriage ... after their husbands became radicalized.

Does this same brand of "justice" also apply to captured Yazidi women, who were purchased in ISIS slave markets for the purpose of forced marriage/concubinage?
 
Some did. But many wound up there simply by marriage ... after their husbands became radicalized.

Does this same brand of "justice" also apply to captured Yazidi women, who were purchased in ISIS slave markets for the purpose of forced marriage/concubinage?

The key part of that sentence is “slave”. Were these women slaves? If not, and they were there by choice—they chose to marry members of a deeply evil group—- then they deserve everything they get for that choice. Decisions have consequences.
 
The key part of that sentence is “slave”. Were these women slaves? If not, and they were there by choice—they chose to marry members of a deeply evil group—- then they deserve everything they get for that choice. Decisions have consequences.

If your girlfriend or spouse commits a crime, should you be sentenced to spend your entire life in prison based solely on the relationship and nothing else?

Did all of the wives of high Nazi officials hang or receive life sentences?

This isn't justice being done in Iraq. It's guilt by proximity.
 
If your girlfriend or spouse commits a crime, should you be sentenced to spend your entire life in prison based solely on the relationship and nothing else?

Did all of the wives of high Nazi officials hang or receive life sentences?

This isn't justice being done in Iraq. It's guilt by proximity.

If I choose to commit mass murder, and my girlfriend knows but still decides to actively help me, that’s a choice she makes and she has to face the consequences.

The Western Allies were very much a product of their time. Of course they wouldn’t hold women equally responsible—they couldn’t even face the fact that women could fight in combat.

Again, there is no reason for anyone to feel bad for people who chose to join ISIS
 
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