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Syria war: At least 70 killed in suspected chemical attack in Douma

Tigerace117 said:
Considering the fact that Trump has stumbled his way into the presidency, him acting is no small thing. Depends on what you consider a "world power" nowadays. China and Russia obviously wont stop Assad, but if Trump ever pulled his head out of his hindquarters he could certainly get air support at least from numerous American allies.

Well, other than those countries taking in refugees...and fighting ISIS.....and the international aid groups.....and the UN....other than all those people, nobody cares, I suppose.
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No one cares enough to commit troops to toppling Assad.
 
Evilroddy said:
Tigerace117:

Perhaps you're having a bad day and spoke impetuously or perhaps you really meant what you said as quoted above. I don't know.
Some questions for you, given your above stated desire to use WMDs against suspected stores of Syrian WMDs in response to alleged strikes by the Assad Regime by initiating US attacks of reprisal against a state with which you are not at war:


Finally, are you reckless enough to gamble away all of our lives along with your own by possibly starting a global thermonuclear war with Russia? You declaim and condemn the Chinese and Russians for the death tolls they racked up in the 20th Century. Are you personally willing to top the list of mass killers in the 21st Century? Every villan is a hero in his or her own mind and does what he/she thinks is right in working their ruinous schemes. Are you willing to be Stalin117 or Mao117 and trigger the possible end of human civilisation and the deaths of billions?

There are limits to US military power, despite the might of the US Armed Forces, and both humility and caution rather than reckless brinksmanship and vain-glory are needed at times like this.

Cheers?
Evilroddy?
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I am sick of every petty little dictator slaughtering his own people en masse, committing horrific atrocities, and then thumbing their noses at the world because no one is willing to do anything about it. The fact remains that the theories that the chemical strikes were a "false flag" don't hold water--- if ISIS or AQ had obtained chemical weapons, they would have used them in a major European city like London or Paris. These are terrorist groups---combat is a distant second in their priorities. Killing "infidels" and striking a blow which would rank up there with some of the worst terrorist attacks in history would simply be too big of a prize to ignore. The Syrian government has violated international law; it's about time people learned that that actually means something.

A chemical weapons depot is not the easiest thing in the world to conceal; the specialist equipment needed to properly maintain and care for such weapons(assuming, of course, that the Syrian regime follows basic safety protocols with it's own troops handling such weapons---which, given the lack of "accidental discharge" seems to be the case) is not exactly common. Furthermore, the Syrian regime has no real reason to expect, currently, that their chemical weapons would be struck; inertia, if nothing else, would suggest that they are likely held in locations where they can be more easily guarded versus spread out across the country and vulnerable to being overrun.

Actually, the first strike would have been the Syrian use of chemical weapons, and if that were the case we would warn the Russians to, in the vernacular, GTFO of the danger zone. Should they chose to ignore that warning, well, that would be their own fault---both in supporting a regime which has repeatedly violated international law and which has been slaughtering it's own people en masse, as well as in deliberately placing their own forces in harm's way.

This would not be dropping a nuke on Damascus' residential areas; this would be targeting the Syrian government's stockpile of WMDs. Even if the threat alone wasn't sufficient to get them to knock the crap off, as it was for Saddam, it is still targeting a military target rather than a civilian one---there is no comparison with Assad's actions.

The Russian government is not going to go to thermonuclear war over Assad's use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nothing short of a launch against the Russian motherland itself would cause that. Keep in mind that while Assad is an ally, the Russians really don't like Arabs very much; they would be furious, and they would certainly begin arming Iran ever more heavily, but no, they would not launch as a result of Assad getting hit for crossing a red line....the third time.
 
Fletch said:
No one cares enough to commit troops to toppling Assad.
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You keep saying that, yet unless you have a crystal ball, you have no way of knowing that people will respond to another gassing with a "meh"
 
Barnacle said:
Only his dark, little heart ... only his little heart ... has always been ... :lol:
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Yes, I get you think it's "funny" to claim a man who has done far more for this country than Trump is "evil".
 
Fletch said:
Maybe so, but toppling Assad will take far more troops than the 2000 we have there now. Are you prepared for an all out war against Assad, the Russians and the Iranians so that we can control the rubble pile that is Syria? im not.
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Appeasing dictators seems to be a favorite pastime now. When in history did that work out for the free world? We whooped ISIS so we could hand over Syria to our enemies? Strengthening the Russians and Iranians in the M.E. is very bad policy and will lead to more tribal wars.
 
Beaudreaux said:
You may have meant that as snark, but you're closer to correct than the general public would want to believe, and it isn't CT crap either. Assad, Gadhafi, and the Ayatollah got most of Saddam's WMD's before we got there. Hell, CNN found the frigging yellow cake in the Libyan desert that traced to have come from Saddam and people now act like it didn't happen.
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I totally agree. But, for some, that would be admitting there was an actual reason to invade Iraq. Can't have that ;)
 
Horrific. The atrocities continue.

Bashar, rotten to the core. Like Father, like Son.
 
Fletch said:
Trump may act, but thats it. No other world power will lift a finger. Nobody cares about Syria or the Syrian people. Nobody wants to get involved. That has been true for 5 years now.
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The civil war has been ongoing for over 7 years now. There are people that care, there are people that do get involved helping those that have and continue to be so vulnerable, unfortunately though, those efforts are only a very small band-aid. There have been no acceptable humanitarian solutions to Syria's humanitarian crisis.

The devastation to human life is incalculable, and has created the worst refugee crisis in modern history. That's on the Assad Regime.
 
How ****ed up is the ME? It's so ****ed up that Assad is preferable to ISIS. Now THAT is some ****ed up ****.
 
Serenity said:
The civil war has been ongoing for over 7 years now. There are people that care, there are people that do get involved helping those that have and continue to be so vulnerable, unfortunately though, those efforts are only a very small band-aid. There have been no acceptable humanitarian solutions to Syria's humanitarian crisis.

The devastation to human life is incalculable, and has created the worst refugee crisis in modern history. That's on the Assad Regime.
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Imagine that you are Assad for a second, if you will. Trump says he's pulling US forces out of your country, which is what you want. Do you;

A) Attack your own people, knowing that you'll insure the US stays, or

B) Not attack your own people, and wait for the USA to leave?
 
truthatallcost said:
Imagine that you are Assad for a second, if you will. Trump says he's pulling US forces out of your country, which is what you want. Do you;

A) Attack your own people, knowing that you'll insure the US stays, or

B) Not attack your own people, and wait for the USA to leave?
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What you are forgetting here is that Assad is not sane, he's not rational, he is a maniac. Previous measures have not deterred Assad from conducting attacks on his own people, he's not going to refrain now. Keep in mind that Assad and his regime have been committing well documented human rights and international humanitarian law violations against his own people for years.
 
Serenity said:
What you are forgetting here is that Assad is not sane, he's not rational, he is a maniac. Previous measures have not deterred Assad from conducting attacks on his own people, he's not going to refrain now. Keep in mind that Assad and his regime have been committing well documented human rights and international humanitarian law violations against his own people for years.
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Assad is no prize. You won't get an argument from me on that. But is he critically stupid? Did he not see the death video of Gaddafi, and the execution of Saddam Hussein? He knows that he will be next on the list of dead dictators if America decides to dispose of him.

Consider this; we're almost exactly reliving an event that happened in Syria in 2017, when Trump announced he was pulling out of Syria, gas attacks somehow commenced shortly thereafter, and Trump unloaded 59 missiles which rained down on Syria. I just have a hard time believing that Assad is as stupid as were being told to believe he is. Call me a CT loon, whatever, but something absolutely does not add up here.
 
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