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Syria war: At least 70 killed in suspected chemical attack in Douma

Rogue Valley said:
Syria war: At least 70 killed in suspected chemical attack in Douma

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Chemical attack victim in Douma, Syria



While Putin was celebrating Easter with the Patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Russian Church in Moscow, his ally, Bashar Assad, was gassing civilians in Douma, Syria.
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I believe I'll wait for definitive proof that it was Assad. The terrorsts are about routed in East Ghouta and Douma, they've been bussed to other regions and have been allowed access to humanitrian corridors. No reason for Assad to drop any chemicals, if he has any. The terrorists have used poison gas and likely could not evacuate their poison gas stocks and the storage area was hit by bombs. A lovely False Flag opportunity especially with Trump saying we are going to pull out of Syria. Big coinky-dink. I don't think so. Has all the earmarks of CIA "false flag." I don't think Trump and the CIA are on the same team.
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Floridafan said:
Once again trump blames someone other than himself for his inaction. Its been over a year and trump has done nothing!
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What would you suggest? An Isaiah 17:1 response?

Trump never laid down a red line.
 
DaveFagan said:
I believe I'll wait for definitive proof that it was Assad. The terrorsts are about routed in East Ghouta and Douma, they've been bussed to other regions and have been allowed access to humanitrian corridors. No reason for Assad to drop any chemicals, if he has any. The terrorists have used poison gas and likely could not evacuate their poison gas stocks and the storage area was hit by bombs. A lovely False Flag opportunity especially with Trump saying we are going to pull out of Syria. Big coinky-dink. I don't think so. Has all the earmarks of CIA "false flag." I don't think Trump and the CIA are on the same team.
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Maybe weapons stock from Iraq?
 
WCH said:
What would you suggest? An Isaiah 17:1 response?

Trump never laid down a red line.
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He has had over a year to do something, but he hasn't. Just how long do you blame someone else?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Funny how that works.

The President says he is going to pull out and then a useless chemical attack occurs to cause the president to change his mind.

A sound strategy by Syria and the Russians. It would be like Putin is a moron to go down that route.
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No, it’s like Assad, knowing that we are supposed to be leaving soon, no longer cares about playing nice for the cameras.
 
WCH said:
Maybe weapons stock from Iraq?
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That’s what the Iraqi Air Force said—-they moved Saddam’s chemical weapons into Syria in exchange for the Syrians running the ratlines for jihadis back into Iraq.
 
DaveFagan said:
I believe I'll wait for definitive proof that it was Assad. The terrorsts are about routed in East Ghouta and Douma, they've been bussed to other regions and have been allowed access to humanitrian corridors. No reason for Assad to drop any chemicals, if he has any. The terrorists have used poison gas and likely could not evacuate their poison gas stocks and the storage area was hit by bombs. A lovely False Flag opportunity especially with Trump saying we are going to pull out of Syria. Big coinky-dink. I don't think so. Has all the earmarks of CIA "false flag." I don't think Trump and the CIA are on the same team.
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What a titanic load of crap. You CTers can’t seem to comprehend the very basic fact that if ISIS or AQ has chemical weapons, they would have already used them in a major European city, not some place in Syria.
 
DaveFagan said:
I believe I'll wait for definitive proof that it was Assad. The terrorsts are about routed in East Ghouta and Douma, they've been bussed to other regions and have been allowed access to humanitrian corridors. No reason for Assad to drop any chemicals, if he has any. The terrorists have used poison gas and likely could not evacuate their poison gas stocks and the storage area was hit by bombs. A lovely False Flag opportunity especially with Trump saying we are going to pull out of Syria. Big coinky-dink. I don't think so. Has all the earmarks of CIA "false flag." I don't think Trump and the CIA are on the same team.
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You are late. Did you oversee?

I expected to see your RT talking points around post 2 or 3.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The US is invoived in far too many endless wars now. The concept of fighting a war that does not involve taking and holding territory is doomed to failure (see Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq). There is absolutely no reason to add another ME nation to our list of places where we fall for the foolish plan of acting as a training/stabilizing force while we contract out the rebuilding of the nation.
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I hate it, but I have to agree with you on this. Not that I don't think we should act, we just should only act if we are prepared to do what it takes to achieve victory. Something we haven't been willing to do since WWII, including Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Military success comes from capturing and holding territory. We don't have to keep it forever (Japan, Germany),but we do have to keep it long enough to secure the peace, and then have a presence that keeps the peace.

The American people are not ready for that. Even looking at pictures of gassed kids won't do it this time. And, that's damned sad, and heartbreaking.

We're not the police of the world, but we do have a duty to come to the aid of the helpless and oppressed. IMHO. If we don't and we just sit at home and watch the massacre and ethnic cleansing of the masses on TV and our computers, when we have the ability to stop it, then are we any better than those that are doing the massacring or committing genocide? In US law, it's called aiding and abetting by failure to act to stop when we had the ability to act, and we would be convicted just the same as those that committed the crime.

It's also, arguably, criminal negligence - there is a harm being committed, we have a duty to act to prevent the harm, we have failed to act on that duty, and there's a causal relationship between our failure to act and the harm that is being committed.
 
WCH said:
Maybe weapons stock from Iraq?
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You may have meant that as snark, but you're closer to correct than the general public would want to believe, and it isn't CT crap either. Assad, Gadhafi, and the Ayatollah got most of Saddam's WMD's before we got there. Hell, CNN found the frigging yellow cake in the Libyan desert that traced to have come from Saddam and people now act like it didn't happen.
 
Floridafan said:
Its better than absolutely nothing.
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Is it? Why? If you dont know what should be done, how can you be certain that doing nothing is the wrong thing? Sounds to me like you just want to criticize Trump because you hate the man, not because you actually have any real solutions to what you see as a problem.
 
Just came across several of the same article - Russia knew of the gas attack at least a month before, although I doubt they knew the date.
Like I said, nothing is what it seems.

March 14, 2018 - "MOSCOW – Russia said on Tuesday it had information that the United States planned to bomb the government quarter in Damascus on an invented pretext, and said it would respond militarily if it felt Russian lives were threatened by such an attack.

Valery Gerasimov, head of Russia’s General Staff, said Moscow had information that rebels in the enclave of eastern Ghouta were planning to fake a chemical weapons attack against civilians and blame it on the Syrian army.

He said the United States intended to use the fake attack as a pretext to bomb the government quarter in nearby Damascus where he said Russian military advisers, Russian military police and Russian cease-fire monitors were based. ..."

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...kes-damascus-government-quarter/#.Wsplfi7wa70
 
Fletch said:
That makes a good deal of sense. I have yet to hear a theory as to why Assad would do it.
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Because with Trump announcing he wants to pull out, Assad no longer cares about presenting a happy shiny face to the world. He knows full well that once the US leaves, there’s no way he’s going to have to stop slaughtering his own people—-or the Kurds, for that matter.
 
Barnacle said:
Just came across several of the same article - Russia knew of the gas attack at least a month before, although I doubt they knew the date.
Like I said, nothing is what it seems.

March 14, 2018 - "MOSCOW – Russia said on Tuesday it had information that the United States planned to bomb the government quarter in Damascus on an invented pretext, and said it would respond militarily if it felt Russian lives were threatened by such an attack.

Valery Gerasimov, head of Russia’s General Staff, said Moscow had information that rebels in the enclave of eastern Ghouta were planning to fake a chemical weapons attack against civilians and blame it on the Syrian army.

He said the United States intended to use the fake attack as a pretext to bomb the government quarter in nearby Damascus where he said Russian military advisers, Russian military police and Russian cease-fire monitors were based. ..."

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...kes-damascus-government-quarter/#.Wsplfi7wa70
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Oh look, the Russians issued another lie covering for their boy Assad. What a surprise.....not.
 
Barnacle said:
They issue a lie a month ahead?!?
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The Russian government has been lying continuously for decades—-and yes, since Putin was KGB, the Cold War era communist lies are applicable to that list.

They knew Assad had used chemical weapons before; they knew he wanted to do it again; they figured the important thing was to begin laying the groundwork to cover him as earlier as possible.

Really not that difficult to figure out if you know even basic facts about the Russian government.
 
Donald Trump said:
Donald J. Trump ✔
@realDonaldTrump
Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria.
Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world.
President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad.
Big price...
8:00 AM - Apr 8, 2018
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The last time Donnie sent missiles into Syria, he gave his pals the Russkies 90 minutes notice. $110 million dollars for 59 Tomahawk missiles. The struck Syrian airfield was operational the very next day.

Big price indeed.
 
Fletch said:
What would you like him to do?
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Inform the Assad regime that the next use of weapons of mass destruction— i.e. chemical weapons—-will be responded to with US use of our own weapons of mass destruction to annihilate his stockpile.

The reason why Saddam didn’t use his chemical weapons during Iraqi Freedom was due to the fact that he knew Baghdad would go up in smoke if he did so.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Because with Trump announcing he wants to pull out, Assad no longer cares about presenting a happy shiny face to the world. He knows full well that once the US leaves, there’s no way he’s going to have to stop slaughtering his own people—-or the Kurds, for that matter.
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Right, like he has given a crap about what the world thinks of him over the last 5 years.:roll: What is it now? 500,000-600,000 dead at his hands. But tell me, how many American troops would you like to see in Syria and what would you like their role to be?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Inform the Assad regime that the next use of weapons of mass destruction— i.e. chemical weapons—-will be responded to with US use of our own weapons of mass destruction to annihilate his stockpile.

The reason why Saddam didn’t use his chemical weapons during Iraqi Freedom was due to the fact that he knew Baghdad would go up in smoke if he did so.
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Thats interesting. So as long as Assad slaughters his people the old fashioned way, with tanks and bombs, he can run up the number of dead and injured as high as he wants and you dont give a crap. But kill a few dozen with a chemical weapon and now you suddenly care and want the US to prepare for WWIII. Brilliant.
 
Fletch said:
Right, like he has given a crap about what the world thinks of him over the last 5 years.:roll: What is it now? 500,000-600,000 dead at his hands. But tell me, how many American troops would you like to see in Syria and what would you like their role to be?
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Of course he does. The last thing he wants is an international coalition to decide to toss him out of power. As of now he's managed to more or less coast on the fact that ISIS is worse than he is, but continued use of gas on civilians could finally motivated countries to intervene in force. There's only so much the Russians can do to protect him.

Special Forces and air power seem to be doing a good job at destroying ISIS; they'll do the same if we ever do decide to get rid of Assad's WMDs one way or another.
 
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