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Conspiracy against Kurds

SamirQuraishi

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By the moment in the north of Syria in the vicinity of Afrin, the Turkish army is carrying out a large-scale military operation mockingly called the 'Olive Branch'. About a hundred warplanes and hundreds of tanks and howitzers bring fire and death to civilians in the Kurdish community. There are already thousands of dead people. Who is guilty of unleashing this genocide? The answer only seems to be obvious. Indeed, the slaughter was unleashed by the Islamist maniac Erdogan who embodies the centuries-old dream of the Ottomans to destroy the Kurdish nation. But Erdogan, despite demonstrating to the world his excessive ambition, is really just a puppet of much more powerful forces. This bloody dog was unleashed by the hand of the true, but hidden enemy of the Kurds. To clearly understand from whom the Kurdish people should only wait for meanness and evil, remember what happened to our brothers in Iraq.

By the fall of 2017, Iraqi Kurdistan had the broadest autonomy. The de facto independent state, which was about to become the core of the Kurdish association in the future, had its own flag, anthem, Constitution, code of local laws, parliament, president, government, and judicial bodies. Its own police, special services, armed forces (the peshmerga brigades), the education and health care systems operated in the country. That is, Kurdish autonomy pursued not only an independent domestic policy, but also as any sovereign state - foreign economic and foreign policy activity.

Everything changed almost overnight. The visionary, provident and prudent President Masoud Barzani, after several phone calls from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, believed in Washington's official support, and made a strategic miscalculation by organizing a September 25, 2017 referendum on independence. The attempt provoked by the US State Department to transfer de facto independence into de jure status turned into a catastrophe. The central government of Iraq announced the closure of both international airports in the Kurdish autonomy (in Erbil and Sulaymaniyah). Baghdad and Ankara completely closed their airspace for flights in the direction of Iraqi Kurdistan, and the autonomy was in total blockade. On October 16, 2017, the Iraqi army and Shia militia took Kirkuk and the surrounding area, that is, the oil fields, which were the economic base for the development of the Kurdish region. Thus, having believed in American support, Barzani, who'd made a titanic effort to unite the Kurdish tribes and establish control over the areas of oil production, not only lost all his political influence and authority, but also put his people on the brink of survival. In his televised address on October 29, 2017, Masoud Barzani sharply criticized the position of the United States. In particular, he noted that the American armament delivered to the Iraqi army was used against the Kurds. But who cares?

There is a version according to which Tillerson's provocation was not the embodiment of Washington's deceitful policy, but a personal adventure aimed at personal enrichment. Rex Tillerson owns 2.6 million shares of ExxonMobil. That's the very oil company, which in 2011 signed preliminary contracts with the regional government of Iraqi Kurdistan, but faced an ultimatum to Baghdad, and withdrew from the project, losing a very profitable source. Now, nothing prevents ExxonMobil's businessmen from snatching a share of Kurdish oil (by unfastening the ruling Shiite mafia in Baghdad), and T-Rex Tillerson to increase the value of his stake.

However, recent events in Syria clearly demonstrate that the personal wealth of the Secretary of State does not in any way negate the existence of a global insidious plan of the American political elite regarding the Kurds. After all, it was the loudly announced intention of their 'main ally' - the US to form, arm and train the Kurdish corps on Syrian territory and served as a convenient casus belli for Turkey. Does it not look familiar?

The capture of Afrina by Turkish thugs will lead to the fact that the most secure and educated Kurdish community of Syria, residing in Aleppo (up to 300 thousand people), is completely cut off from the ethnic core. This is a consistent, well-planned genocide. We do not know all the details of Washington's geopolitical plan, but it is obvious that the Kurds have no place in it.
 
I suspect the OP is a bot, but I largely agree with the synopsis. Trump is stabbing the Syrian Kurds of Rojava in the back to appease Erdogan.
 
I am new to the forum so can't comment on who are bots and who are not. What I will say is I find the consistent blaming of the United States for every goddamn thing that happens tedious. The US has on multiple occasions, for years told the Kurds to move East of the Euphrates
August 2016
Kurds East of Euphrates Now, Top US General Says
https://www.voanews.com/a/turkey-kurdish-forces-critical-in-islamic-state-fight-united-states-says/3486730.html

In January the US specifically stated there will be no support for the Kurds in Afrin because they do not operate in that area
US military: No 'support' for Kurdish YPG in Afrin
US-led coalition forces don't operate in Syria's Kurdish-controlled Afrin after Turkey vows attack, news report says.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/military-support-kurdish-ypg-afrin-180116202955100.html

When Tillerson met with Erdogan some weeks ago they came to an agreement for the Kurds in Manjib to be moved East of the Euphrates, not sure if they agreed to have Turkish soldiers in Manjib along with US soldiers. I am concerned however because Trump said he's going to fire more people... firing those who support the Kurds could well see us in a genocide situation the likes of East Ghouta or worse.

Washington: The Trump administration has told Turkey it will move to rein in Kurdish fighters that have been the backbone of the US campaign against the Islamic State in Syria, in an effort to repair tattered relations.
The first step and "the crux of the matter", a senior Turkish official said, is to withdraw the Kurds from the Syrian town of Manbij and relocate them east of the Euphrates River. The town, about 40 kilometres from Turkey's border, has come to symbolise the fevered competition for territory and influence in northern Syria among the United States, Turkey, and other regional powers.
The American pledge, if carried out, would satisfy a long-standing demand by the Turkish government and fulfil a promise first made by the Obama administration to keep the Kurdish forces east of the Euphrates
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/us-moves-to-soothe-turkey-endangering-ties-with-kurdish-allies-20180311-p4z3um.html
 
In January the US specifically stated there will be no support for the Kurds in Afrin because they do not operate in that area

The US has 800 military bases abroad and can operate pretty much wherever it wants. These are the Syrian Kurds that lost thousands of fighters decimating ISIS and capturing their capital city of Raqqa.

Without these Kurds, Trump wouldn't have anything at all to crow about in Syria. Now he is deserting them to appease the dictator Erdogan, who is also aligning with Moscow.

People in the ME and around the world are watching. True to form, Trump is abandoning yet another ally.
 
The US has 800 military bases abroad and can operate pretty much wherever it wants. These are the Syrian Kurds that lost thousands of fighters decimating ISIS and capturing their capital city of Raqqa.

Without these Kurds, Trump wouldn't have anything at all to crow about in Syria. Now he is deserting them to appease the dictator Erdogan, who is also aligning with Moscow.

People in the ME and around the world are watching. True to form, Trump is abandoning yet another ally.

You are incorrect on both accounts, The US is not abandoning the Kurds and Turkey is not aligned with Russia against the US (I added the last "against the US" because that is how I understood your post... Turkey will swing both ways, towards Russia or the US)

On the first, below is what Mattis said in an interview, the US will hold the territory east of the deconfliction line, and use the SdM Geneva Process to redraw a map. I understand Trump's Administration is fluid and therefore his foreign policy is fluid so this may change at any point. Unless you have a quote from Trump or the new SoS Pompeo stating the withdrawal of US troops from Syria the one below stands

But are you going to defend the (inaudible) of the territory that the SDF (inaudible)?

SEC. MATTIS: Yes, what we are going to do is hold that territory and get it back in local leaders hands. Use Steffan de Mistura's Geneva Process to come up with a post-conflict map and post-conflict plan for the way ahead, and assure that ISIS 2.0 doesn't rise in the middle of all of that, and derail everything we're fought for, and many people have paid the price on this thing. We don't simply up and leave when most of the caliphate's done, before the caliphate's really finished, and leave the diplomats without a leg to stand on against people who have no diplomatic inclination. So that's how we'll keep it.

Now, it will be a challenge. It will be -- it will be difficult, but we do difficult, no problems.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/1438483/on-the-record-press-gaggle-by-secretary-james-n-mattis/

As far as Erdogan's relationship with the US goes, he is in a difficult situation. The Turkish economy is running red hot with a plus 40% jump in deficit last year. They have used foreign currency reserves to fund the deficit but do not have enough for this large amount of spending to continue. And while Erdogan has an election to win next year to enable him to extend his reign, and he would need the support of nationalists, it would be in his best interest to come to an agreement with the US who have the capacity to squeeze Turkey economically if it openly side against it, the Turkish economy is his weakness.
 
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