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8JUN67. USS Liberty

Rexedgar

Rexedgar

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This happenened when I was youngster. I remember reading an article on the incident and thinking that there was more to this than was being discussed. Being older and having more time, got me back on the story and there is much more to the “Liberty Incident” and the 1967 six-day war.

The link is a long read and deals with more than just the attack on the US Navy ship. It does contain an anti Israel slant, but if you read the article and watch the 60 min video at the end, you will see why. Over fifty years later and many documents are still classified.

Article goes a long way to explaining why things are the way they are today.

https://www.veteranstodayarchives.c...els-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-the-full-story/

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Rexedgar said:
This happenened when I was youngster. I remember reading an article on the incident and thinking that there was more to this than was being discussed. Being older and having more time, got me back on the story and there is much more to the “Liberty Incident” and the 1967 six-day war.

The link is a long read and deals with more than just the attack on the US Navy ship. It does contain an anti Israel slant, but if you read the article and watch the 60 min video at the end, you will see why. Over fifty years later and many documents are still classified.

Article goes a long way to explaining why things are the way they are today.

https://www.veteranstodayarchives.c...els-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-the-full-story/

Link to the video only:

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Veterans Today is a conspiracy rag whose boss Gordon Duff has admitted to lying blatantly.

Think an anti-semitic Alex Jones.
 
From the opening sentence of the source:

there is nothing the Zionist state might not do
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I would not grace the source with page views, just move along folks.
 
Shhh you are not allowed to question the "truth" as laid out by the Israeli Gove.. US government.


Now outside the US, we all know the truth.. Israel attacked US sailors and it was deliberate.
 
Rexedgar said:
This happenened when I was youngster. I remember reading an article on the incident and thinking that there was more to this than was being discussed. Being older and having more time, got me back on the story and there is much more to the “Liberty Incident” and the 1967 six-day war.

The link is a long read and deals with more than just the attack on the US Navy ship. It does contain an anti Israel slant, but if you read the article and watch the 60 min video at the end, you will see why. Over fifty years later and many documents are still classified.

Article goes a long way to explaining why things are the way they are today.

https://www.veteranstodayarchives.c...els-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-the-full-story/

Link to the video only:

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That is quite a tale and probably taller than most Palestiniens would want you to believe.
 
Fledermaus said:
It was a deliberate attack on a ship THOUGHT TO BE EGYPTIAN....
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Only problem with that is the size of the two ships and the thorough reconnaissance earlier in the day. Oh and a fresh US flag, the prior ensign had been sooted up during transit from Rota.
 
Rexedgar said:
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Only problem with that is the size of the two ships and the thorough reconnaissance earlier in the day. Oh and a fresh US flag, the prior ensign had been sooted up during transit from Rota.
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Improper identifications happened all the time. The HMS Sheffield (cruiser) was misidentified as the battleship Bismarck and attacked by the British.

Some navies took to painting ID markers on their ships to prevent friendly fire.
 
Rexedgar said:
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Only problem with that is the size of the two ships and the thorough reconnaissance earlier in the day. Oh and a fresh US flag, the prior ensign had been sooted up during transit from Rota.
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Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.

After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it was an accident.

It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm. Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.

"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.

Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants Congress to investigate.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-lbj-cover-for-israel/

I've read a good bit beyond the "official government account". I give more credence to the opinions of the sailors who were on the vessel than the government's official conclusion.
 
Rexedgar said:
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Only problem with that is the size of the two ships and the thorough reconnaissance earlier in the day. Oh and a fresh US flag, the prior ensign had been sooted up during transit from Rota.
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In WW2 they used a system called WEFT for anti-air gunners to identify aircratf, so they did not shoot down friendlies. It stands for Wings, Engine, Fuselage, Tail. According to pilots though it stood for Wrong every ****ing Time.
 
Redress said:
In WW2 they used a system called WEFT for anti-air gunners to identify aircratf, so they did not shoot down friendlies. It stands for Wings, Engine, Fuselage, Tail. According to pilots though it stood for Wrong every ****ing Time.
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Jump twenty-two years into the future and make it airplanes id’ing ships. And we’re good.
 
RetiredUSN said:
A calamity of errors on both sides.

I fault the USA as much as I do Israel.
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USS Liberty Casualties 34 killed, 171 wounded.
I didn’t read how many casualties the Israelis suffered.
 
Far too much credible testimony that is inconsistent with the official account, the existent motivations for the attack ranging from jamming to monitoring of Israeli communications and movements, as well as glaringly censored/omitted records and communications crucial to the clarification of the matter, nevermind President Johnson's damning statement per McNamara (confirmed by Rear Admiral Lawrence R Geis) that he "didn't care if every man drowned and the ship sank, that he would not embarrass his allies" when he personally ordered the recall of craft dispatched to assist the Liberty (after which the attack persisted for about an hour).

I don't believe that it was an accident for a second.
 
Fledermaus said:
It was a deliberate attack on a ship THOUGHT TO BE EGYPTIAN....
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Which would explain the fighter attacks, but even after they halted because they realized the ship could be American, torpedo boats still engaged the Liberty.....

Veterans Today are a bunch of CTer nuts, but there are some sketchy aspects to the whole deal
 
Tigerace117 said:
Which would explain the fighter attacks, but even after they halted because they realized the ship could be American, torpedo boats still engaged the Liberty.....

Veterans Today are a bunch of CTer nuts, but there are some sketchy aspects to the whole deal
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And once the Liberty was identified by the torpedo boats... Then what happened?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Which would explain the fighter attacks, but even after they halted because they realized the ship could be American, torpedo boats still engaged the Liberty.....

Veterans Today are a bunch of CTer nuts, but there are some sketchy aspects to the whole deal
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There are many other sources, I didn’t “vet” the source. There are many and all my contention is, is that the ‘official’ account differs from the witness accounts. I had never heard of Veterans Today until today.....
 
Surrealistik said:
Far too much credible testimony that is inconsistent with the official account, the existent motivations for the attack ranging from jamming to monitoring of Israeli communications and movements, as well as glaringly censored/omitted records and communications crucial to the clarification of the matter, nevermind President Johnson's damning statement per McNamara (confirmed by Rear Admiral Lawrence R Geis) that he "didn't care if every man drowned and the ship sank, that he would not embarrass his allies" when he personally ordered the recall of craft dispatched to assist the Liberty (after which the attack persisted for about an hour).

I don't believe that it was an accident for a second.
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Have you any evidence that Isreal knowingly attacked a ship belonging to their one and only ally at the time?

And to what end?

They were communicating in clear air they were attack the vessel. They flew Israeli flags on the torpedo boats and the Israeli aircraft were clearly marked. It wasn't some sort of "false flag".
 
Rexedgar said:
There are many other sources, I didn’t “vet” the source. There are many and all my contention is, is that the ‘official’ account differs from the witness accounts. I had never heard of Veterans Today until today.....
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Veterans Today is Alex Jones with a hard on for Jews...

It is bat crap crazy. And you should have seen that while visiting the site.

You did visit the site.... Right?
 
Fledermaus said:
AFTER they identify the the ship as the Liberty....

AFTER.
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According to the account of the crew, the last act was attack helos with armed troops on board, they hovered and were withdrawn. They counted over 800 holes (rocket and machine gun) in the ship when they drydocked in Malta. Have you investigated this incident at all?
 
Rexedgar said:
There are many other sources, I didn’t “vet” the source. There are many and all my contention is, is that the ‘official’ account differs from the witness accounts. I had never heard of Veterans Today until today.....
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The witness accounts are from from a bunch of sailors who went through many, many, emotional and "come to jesus" moments while being attacked, and suffering the horror of seeing their shipmates blown all to hell.

The crew's accounts cannot possibly reflect the accounts of many honest Israeli IDF's who say that they didn't realize.

The crew's account, doesn't account for why the Pentagon had them snooping on Israel in the first place during a time of national crisis either.
 
Fledermaus said:
Have you any evidence that Isreal knowingly attacked a ship belonging to their one and only ally at the time?

And to what end?

They were communicating in clear air they were attack the vessel. They flew Israeli flags on the torpedo boats and the Israeli aircraft were clearly marked. It wasn't some sort of "false flag".
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Whether the planes were marked is disputed; that said, I don't think the motives were necessarily about false flagging; the arguments that it was done to negate the Liberty's interference with and monitoring of Israeli communications and military movements they did not want screened is more persuasive.

In terms of concrete physical evidence, what exists are heavily censored recordings that have yet to be released in full (and should be); the rest is testimony from the crew and military personnel at the time (which is credible and believable), and the fact that the Liberty was indeed conspicuously American.
 
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