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Attack on mosque in Egypt's Sinai kills at least 235

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[h=1]Attack on mosque in Egypt's Sinai kills at least 235[/h]

[FONT=&quot]Cairo (AFP) - Attackers killed at least 235 worshippers Friday in a bomb and gun assault on a packed mosque in Egypt's restive North Sinai province, in the country's deadliest attack in recent memory.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A bomb explosion ripped through the Rawda mosque, roughly 40 kilometres (25 miles) west of the North Sinai capital of El-Arish, before gunmen opened fire on the Sufi worshippers gathered there for weekly Friday prayers, officials said.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Witnesses said the assailants surrounded the mosque with all-terrain vehicles and then planted a bomb outside.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The gunmen then mowed down the panicked worshippers as they tried to flee and used congregants' vehicles they had set alight to block routes to the mosque.[/FONT]
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What depravity, all in the name of religion.
 
cpwill said:
ISIS-Sinai is one of the more under-rated of the affiliates. Hopefully they start getting the attention they deserve.
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That seems to be their goal. Slaughtering 225 innocent people does tend to gain attention.
 
cpwill said:
ISIS-Sinai is one of the more under-rated of the affiliates. Hopefully they start getting the attention they deserve.
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Attention in the crosshairs, maybe....
 
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The Islamic State group shares the puritan Salafi view that Sufis are heretics for seeking the intercession of saints.
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"You are Muslims, but we hate you because you don't worship the same way we do!"
Disgusting, vile insanity.
 
Roadvirus said:
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"You are Muslims, but we hate you because you don't worship the same way we do!"
Disgusting, vile insanity.
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Not much different than what went on in Ireland for so many years.
 
washunut said:
Not much different than what went on in Ireland for so many years.
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Well, the body count is a helluva lot higher.

But you're right in that a lot of these problems had geopolitical and historical origination before they became religious.
 
Dittohead not! said:
[h=1]Attack on mosque in Egypt's Sinai kills at least 235[/h]



What depravity, all in the name of religion.
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Isis in egypt has been almost entirely been focusing on christians, this is the first major move against muslims, which quite frankly anyone who understood middle east politics knew would happen sooner or later.

isis is extreme sunni, they hate all non muslim religions, they also hate all muslim religions even sunni that do not strictly follow their beliefs, this was evident in syria where sunni's made up a majority, yet were often the victims of isis.
 
washunut said:
Not much different than what went on in Ireland for so many years.
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Entirely different. The motivation of the IRA was political, not religious. Most of it leadership and members were nominally Catholic but not practising.
 
Angelus said:
That is truly horrific!

I have read that the vast majority of victims of Muslim extremists are Muslims - this shows that clearly. Terror in the name of God and religious purity...****ing incomprehensible
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For those with a knowledge of European history, partciularly the 17th century, killing in the name of God is far from incomprehensible.

(Do you really think those four asterisks added to the quality of your post? I find their use in a serious discussion incomprehensible).
 
Sweden said:
For those with a knowledge of European history, partciularly the 17th century, killing in the name of God is far from incomprehensible.

(Do you really think those four asterisks added to the quality of your post? I find their use in a serious discussion incomprehensible).
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The board adds in the asterisks. I guess you haven't used an improper word yet.

Irish problems started far earlier than the 17th century. Religion came into play then, when England gave Protestants land and power in Ireland but the basic conflict was geopolitical and went farther back in history. There were wars about whether the ruler of England was the ruler of Britain since there was a united England. This was just one more successful land grab.

As for killing in the name of God - that predates Christianity, and probably Judaism as well.
 
Angelus said:
The board adds in the asterisks. I guess you haven't used an improper word yet.

Irish problems started far earlier than the 17th century. Religion came into play then, when England gave Protestants land and power in Ireland but the basic conflict was geopolitical and went farther back in history. There were wars about whether the ruler of England was the ruler of Britain since there was a united England. This was just one more successful land grab.

As for killing in the name of God - that predates Christianity, and probably Judaism as well.
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You are right - so religiously motivated killing is and was all too common and comprehensible.

No, I have never used an 'improper' word on DP. I have, I think, a sufficiently large vocabulary to express myself. And, more importantly, I have respect for the discussions on these boards and my fellow DPers.
 
Use of swear-words does not necessarily denote a poor vocabulary; studies have tended to indicate the opposite in point of fact. Moreover words unacceptable in one culture are very much part of the cultural milieu in others. I note here the use of English expletives in Scottish, and some Irish, groups. A word, any word, carries with it cultural and societal overtones of meaning which boards like this do a poor job of ironing out especially when they are based in the US which tends towards more puritanical speech than some other countries.
 
Sweden said:
You are right - so religiously motivated killing is and was all too common and comprehensible.

No, I have never used an 'improper' word on DP. I have, I think, a sufficiently large vocabulary to express myself. And, more importantly, I have respect for the discussions on these boards and my fellow DPers.
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Common does not equal comprehensible, particularly when it concerns the slaughter of over 200 people at worship in a mosque. Were we able to fully comprehend, perhaps we would be able to prevent this sort of violence.

As for your extensive vocabulary and the respect you hold for the board and other posters - most laudable indeed.:roll:
 
beerftw said:
Isis in egypt has been almost entirely been focusing on christians, this is the first major move against muslims, which quite frankly anyone who understood middle east politics knew would happen sooner or later.

isis is extreme sunni, they hate all non muslim religions, they also hate all muslim religions even sunni that do not strictly follow their beliefs, this was evident in syria where sunni's made up a majority, yet were often the victims of isis.
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It seems that they hate anyone who isn't exactly like them.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It seems that they hate anyone who isn't exactly like them.
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Yes, they see themselves as being "real Muslims", with all other Muslims being hypocrites. And infidels are, well....infidels. They believe they are the best modern-day representatives of 7th century (ie: pure) Islam. Just as Mohamed and the first Muslims conquered, raided, looted, pillaged, subjugated, and raped in accordance with the wishes of God, so do they. There's really no mystery to it. Just ask them. They have no problem with admitting as much.
 
stevecanuck said:
Yes, they see themselves as being "real Muslims", with all other Muslims being hypocrites. And infidels are, well....infidels. They believe they are the best modern-day representatives of 7th century (ie: pure) Islam. Just as Mohamed and the first Muslims conquered, raided, looted, pillaged, subjugated, and raped in accordance with the wishes of God, so do they. There's really no mystery to it. Just ask them. They have no problem with admitting as much.
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Despite their anachronistic philosophy of violence, or maybe because of it, they do create chaos well beyond what one would expect, given their numbers.

The Muslims experienced a sort of mini renaissance around the 7th. century or so. They invented the base ten numbering system we still use today, for example. Try multiplying LX times XIV without changing to base ten first, and you'll see how useful that is. They invented algebra, which is an Arabic word. Then the Imans told them they needed to get their truth from the Koran, not from logic, observation, and mathematics, so they abandoned the effort. It wasn't until another 700 or so years that the Europeans began to experiment with science, math, and art in what is now thought of as the renaissance.

There should be some lesson in that. Here the radical Muslims, and to a degree the whole Islamic world, is stuck in the 7th. century having rejected science and logic in favor of religion.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Despite their anachronistic philosophy of violence, or maybe because of it, they do create chaos well beyond what one would expect, given their numbers.

The Muslims experienced a sort of mini renaissance around the 7th. century or so. They invented the base ten numbering system we still use today, for example. Try multiplying LX times XIV without changing to base ten first, and you'll see how useful that is. They invented algebra, which is an Arabic word. Then the Imans told them they needed to get their truth from the Koran, not from logic, observation, and mathematics, so they abandoned the effort. It wasn't until another 700 or so years that the Europeans began to experiment with science, math, and art in what is now thought of as the renaissance.

There should be some lesson in that. Here the radical Muslims, and to a degree the whole Islamic world, is stuck in the 7th. century having rejected science and logic in favor of religion.
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Islam was formed in the 7th century. The first Islamic mathematicians didn't appear for a couple of hundred years. The early period was all about consolidating and expanding their empire. To the best of my knowledge, early Islamic scriptures didn't say anything about mathematics, so any advances were made by people who happened to be Muslim as opposed to them doing so in obedience to Islam. I am willing to be corrected if you know differently.
 
stevecanuck said:
Islam was formed in the 7th century. The first Islamic mathematicians didn't appear for a couple of hundred years. The early period was all about consolidating and expanding their empire. To the best of my knowledge, early Islamic scriptures didn't say anything about mathematics, so any advances were made by people who happened to be Muslim as opposed to them doing so in obedience to Islam. I am willing to be corrected if you know differently.
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No, you're right. The advances were made by people who happened to be Muslim as opposed to them doing so in obedience to Islam. In fact, they quit trying to make advances when the Mullahs told them to turn back to religion.

The world might look quite different had the early Muslim people continued to pursue science and mathematics as opposed to finding all "truth" in religious writings.
 
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