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Outrage Over Israel Ignores Much Worse Outrages Against Other Muslims [W:54]

JBG said:
College campuses are rife with organizations such as National Students for Justice in Palestine, author of the movement for Boycott Divestment and Sanctions. The mass media, with alarming regularity publishes serious criticisms of Israel. The European Union, the successor to countries where six million Jews went up smokestacks has a partial boycott of Israel. All of it stems, allegedly, from the "Occupied Territories." When pressed these people will concede that they consider pre-1967 War Israel to be "occupied" as well. What exactly is Israel's crime; retaliating for deadly knifings, car rammings and other suicide attacks.

Travel 3/4 of the way east on the Asia continent to Myanmar, formerly Burma. The Rohingyas (link) are the subject of repeated massacres and rapes at the hand of the Buddhist population. Has anyone heard of this? UN Watch (link) has but nothing mainstream. Where are the campus demonstrations against Myanmar's atrocities? The Rohingyas are ever bit as Muslim as the Palestinians, perhaps more so.

Could the selective outrage in the West be anti-Judaism in new bottles? I think so.
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The difference would be that Burma does not enjoy unconditional support from the West in the same way that Israel has from Bush II onwards
 
Horrible things are happening all over the world. But Israel is financially supported by US tax payers. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Americans take more interest by their alleged atrocities. Nobody wants to believe they are funding atrocities.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Horrible things are happening all over the world. But Israel is financially supported by US tax payers. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Americans take more interest by their alleged atrocities. Nobody wants to believe they are funding atrocities.
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We aren't talking about just Americans here who oppose Israel's right to self defense and label it "atrocities".
We're talking about most of the world which is mostly not American or so I hear.
 
As with all forms of bigotry, anti‑Semitism should obviously be condemned.

That being said, someone being critical of one or more of Israels policies does not automatically make them an anti-semite. Much like all the people who criticize one or more of Americas policies are not automatically American Haters. Much like those who are critical of Palestinian militant groups are not anti-Muslims and do not automatically despise and hate all Palestinians.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Just on a side-note. I was reading the other day that some Syrians are a tad conflicted. All their lives they were brainwashed into believing that Israel and Israelis are the most evil country and people in the world. However, many have recently had a change of heart. Why, you ask? Because Syrian refugees fleeing the conflict are being fed, protected, given shelter and medical aid by...ta da...the IDF. Those evil members of the IDF are keeping Syrians alive and protected, so many Syrians have seen the light and are praising the IDF.
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Similarly note the story of Bridgette Gabriel (link), a Christian Lebanese who, at age 11, crossed the border into Israel with her seriously wounded mother. She noted with amazement how the much-criticized Israel took equal care of all, based on seriousness of injury, not race or religion. Excerpt:
Bridgette Gabriel said:
“I was amazed that the Israelis were providing medical treatment to Palestinian and Muslim gunmen… These Palestinians and Muslims were sworn, mortal enemies, dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of Jews. Yet, Israeli doctors and nurses worked feverishly to save their lives. Each patient was treated solely according to the nature of his or her injury. The doctor treated my mother before he treated an Israeli soldier lying next to her because her injury was more severe than his. The Israelis did not see religion, political affiliation, or nationality. They saw only people in need, and they helped.”
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HowardBThiname said:
And, there we have it -- proof positive of the effect of the racist propaganda war against Israel.

And please try to spell Israel correctly. You spelled it wrong four times in a short post.
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A person with those views often needs some work on their educational or intellectual capacity.
 
Serenity said:
Yes, I'm familiar with the heinous situation and I've posted on the topic.

The most recent thread was badly derailed with comments suggesting they deserve what is happening to them along with numerous attempts to downplay the situation. Despicable of course.

I can't see any posts on the topic from you though. Why is that? Considering you're critical of others apparent silence, I don't believe that's an unreasonable question.
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I am a relatively sparse participant on this Board. I do not find it friendly. This is Exhibit "A" as to why.
 
JBG said:
I am a relatively sparse participant on this Board. I do not find it friendly. This is Exhibit "A" as to why.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. What is "unfriendly" about my reasonable and civil reply to your OP? You asked a question, I answered. You didn't bother replying, just deflected.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Offering to allow a Palestinian state to be formed under terms highly advantageous to Israel and highly detrimental to the Palestinians is not an honest offer, especially when you're grabbing more and more land during the negotiation process. Palestinians don't reject the concept of forming a country, they reject YOUR terms which are unreasonable.
***********1) Offering a two-state solution heavily skewed towards the benefit of the Israelis is not a real negotation. They offered terrible terms while on the side still gobbling up more of their land, then pretend it's just the Palestinians all wanting to be nationless terrorists for not accepting their demands.*****Yes, and Israel rejected those boundaries because they refuse to give up the land they've seized from the Palestinians with illegal settlements.
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I guess I get it; any solution that guarantees Israel's existence as a Jewish state is "highly detrimental to the Palestinians" and "heavily skewed towards the benefit of the Israelis."

RabidAlpaca said:
2)I completely reject the notion of any ethnocentric state. I'd oppose my own countrymen if they declared the US an ethnically white nation and from hence forth anyone with a white grandfather gets immediate US citizenship. Learning to coexist does not mean gobbling up your neighbor's territory.
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Aside from Turkey do any Muslim-majority countries really have Jews? This is a dishonest post.
 
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JBG said:
I am a relatively sparse participant on this Board. I do not find it friendly. This is Exhibit "A" as to why.
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Did you come here to find friends?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes it does, that is the ultimate goal and it is doing it piece by piece. Don't just sit there and lie as Israel grows and Palestine shrinks. And yes, that's importing Jews. It's an ethnocentric state and I think that's terrible for anyone to do. If a country started claiming it was an ethnically white state and everyone with a white grandparent got citizenship and a right to live there I'd be equally as critical. Learn to coexist with those of other ethnicities and religions. This is 100% about settlements for ethnocentric expansionism.
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Myanmar, brazenly raping and massacring the Rohingyas, isn't "an ethnocentric state"? Or is that only forbidden for the Joooos?
 
Apocalypse said:
I said in the post you're quoting:

"That doesn't mean that anyone who has a negative opinion towards Israel is an antisemite, but those who are obsessed with their anti-Israeli hatred for no understandable reason certainly are, no room to deny that."

Being critical of a policy of the govenrment of Israel is one thing, being obsessed with anti-Israeli hatred is another.

Years ago I used to completely avoid mixing between anti-Israeli notions and antisemitic ones, exactly because of knowing that the response would then be that this is a tactic to discredit any criticism of Israel. But I learned through time and experience that this is exactly what the anti-Israeli obsession is and that those who confront it should not avoid calling it what it is. The disproportional interest and the obsession - it originates in pure racism and bigotry, and that needs to be called out, not ignored.
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You seem to imply all that those who criticize Isreal are also obsessed with it. I agree that there are people who criticize Isreal simply because they are antisemitic (and not just racist against Jews, but racist against anyone who isnt of white Christian European descent), but its a standard tactic of those who wantonly defend Isreal at all cost to use a broad stroke and claim all their critics are racist, when the majority are not.
 
PoS said:
You seem to imply all that those who criticize Isreal are also obsessed with it. I agree that there are people who criticize Isreal simply because they are antisemitic (and not just racist against Jews, but racist against anyone who isnt of white Christian European descent), but its a standard tactic of those who wantonly defend Isreal at all cost to use a broad stroke and claim all their critics are racist, when the majority are not.
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Again, criticizing one or more of the policies of the Israeli government is one thing, being obsessed with an anti-Israeli agenda is another. The reference is to the latter.
 
Red_Dave said:
The difference would be that Burma does not enjoy unconditional support from the West in the same way that Israel has from Bush II onwards
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Skeptic Bob said:
Horrible things are happening all over the world. But Israel is financially supported by US tax payers. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Americans take more interest by their alleged atrocities. Nobody wants to believe they are funding atrocities.
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Lots of U.N. money pours into these countries. Do you think there are any enforced conditions? What is the money used for?
 
Red_Dave said:
The difference would be that Burma does not enjoy unconditional support from the West in the same way that Israel has from Bush II onwards
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Skeptic Bob said:
Horrible things are happening all over the world. But Israel is financially supported by US tax payers. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Americans take more interest by their alleged atrocities. Nobody wants to believe they are funding atrocities.
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Serenity said:
As with all forms of bigotry, anti‑Semitism should obviously be condemned.

That being said, someone being critical of one or more of Israels policies does not automatically make them an anti-semite. Much like all the people who criticize one or more of Americas policies are not automatically American Haters. Much like those who are critical of Palestinian militant groups are not anti-Muslims and do not automatically despise and hate all Palestinians.
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The problem I have is Israel's policies being held under a microscope when no one even know what Myanmar's policies are.
 
Red_Dave said:
The difference would be that Burma does not enjoy unconditional support from the West in the same way that Israel has from Bush II onwards
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Skeptic Bob said:
Horrible things are happening all over the world. But Israel is financially supported by US tax payers. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Americans take more interest by their alleged atrocities. Nobody wants to believe they are funding atrocities.
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Serenity said:
JBG said:
I am a relatively sparse participant on this Board. I do not find it friendly. This is Exhibit "A" as to why.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. What is "unfriendly" about my reasonable and civil reply to your OP? You asked a question, I answered. You didn't bother replying, just deflected.
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You are far from the worst problem. I come to a board to have fun and enlightened discussion, not to be personally attacked.
 
JBG said:
Myanmar, brazenly raping and massacring the Rohingyas, isn't "an ethnocentric state"? Or is that only forbidden for the Joooos?
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Yes and they shouldn't. Do you you condemn both like I do or is your opinion based solely on the race of the perpetrators in question? Do Jews get a free pass to oppress their neighbors in your book?
 
Apocalypse said:
You're here since 2012 and you don't know that the other side doesn't need to refute what you're saying if it's baseless bull****?
I mean what did you say? That "Israel wants to X"? Because why, because it's your opinion, because that's what you'd like reality to be?

As I said the reason why this subject is being engaged so passionately by people who express such ignorance discussing it is because of Jews. Period.
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So you still can't explain why Israel grows every year and Palestine shrinks, so you got back to shouting ANTI-SEMITE!

You've abandoned your basic humanity for your desire of a racially Jewish majority. In your eyes Palestinians don't deserve to exist and don't deserve the very land under their feet. I see both Israelis and Palestinians as equals and my positions are consistent for both. Your position is racially oriented towards Jews so you're the actual racist here. Learn to live in peace and respect the humanity of your neighbors.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So you still can't explain why Israel grows every year and Palestine shrinks, so you got back to shouting ANTI-SEMITE!
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From Wiki:

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.
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You're here since 2012 and don't know how debating works?

RabidAlpaca said:
You've abandoned your basic humanity for your desire of a racially Jewish majority. In your eyes Palestinians don't deserve to exist and don't deserve the very land under their feet. I see both Israelis and Palestinians as equals and my positions are consistent for both. Your position is racially oriented towards Jews so you're the actual racist here. Learn to live in peace and respect the humanity of your neighbors.
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No you don't see them as equals - you don't care about Palestinians and the only reason the conflict interests you even though you express complete ignorance on every small detail surrounding it as shown here time after time is the fact that Jewish people exist in their own country and defend themselves. The one who has abandoned his basic humanity here as far as you'd like to deny that is clearly only you for the sake of pure hatred.

We don't express complete ignorance on subjects that geniunly interest us.
 
Apocalypse said:
From Wiki:



You're here since 2012 and don't know how debating works?



No you don't see them as equals - you don't care about Palestinians and the only reason the conflict interests you even though you express complete ignorance on every small detail surrounding it as shown here time after time is the fact that Jewish people exist in their own country and defend themselves. The one who has abandoned his basic humanity here as far as you'd like to deny that is clearly only you for the sake of pure hatred.

We don't express complete ignorance on subjects that geniunly interest us.
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There you go again. The only argument you can make: "Everyone who disagrees with my political positions is an anti-Jew racist"

You've dehumanized Palestinians to a point that you don't recognize their right to exist, have a country or own land. You want their land for yourself and dehumanizing them makes it a lot easier. If they were your race you'd embrace them with open arms and give them free citizenship. Racist and ****ing disgusting. I'm not really interested in talking to such a blatant racist peddling ethnocentric garbage, so move along. I'll respond when you admit Palestinians are people with the same rights as Israelis.

You're even so wildly dishonest you won't admit that the settlements and thus Israel are growing. Dishonest and racially motivated.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There you go again. The only argument you can make: "Everyone who disagrees with my political positions is an anti-Jew racist"

You've dehumanized Palestinians to a point that you don't recognize their right to exist, have a country or own land. You want their land for yourself and dehumanizing them makes it a lot easier. If they were your race you'd embrace them with open arms and give them free citizenship. Racist and ****ing disgusting. I'm not really interested in talking to such a blatant racist peddling ethnocentric garbage, so move along. I'll respond when you admit Palestinians are people with the same rights as Israelis.
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Jews are a people. They exist. Deal with it.
 
Apocalypse said:
Jews are a people. They exist. Deal with it.
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Jews are one race of many and every other race has the same rights to basic humanity as you. Stop dehumanizing your neighbors so you can steal their land and people might be a lot less vocally anti-Israeli government.
 
Apocalypse said:
"Race"? A people. People.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
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You'll put any person on the planet with a Jewish grandparent ahead of any of the non-Jews that were born and raised a few km down the road. This is the definition of blatant racism. Stop making everything about race and statt being a compassionate human being. I suspect you're not capable of that.
 
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