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American Anarchists Joining the Rojava Revolution[W:16]

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Just thought this was a cool story and a rare example of quality, mainstream news coverage of the anarchist revolutionary struggle currently going on in Syria. :)

(The crux is that American anarchists are now joining them on the battlefield.)

For those who don't know, there's been an anarchist-led revolt going on in northern Syria for some time now that's been focused on fighting the Islamic State and successfully liberated a large swath of territory. While fighting the Islamic State, these anarchists (commonly known in Western parlance as "the Kurds") have also been in the process of gradually reorganizing Rojava (as the part of Syria they control is known) into a stateless society characterized by direct, secular, and inclusive democracy, restorative justice (e.g. reconciliation committees are gradually replacing courts and prisons), and a network of worker-owned cooperatives and communes. They are perhaps best known in the West for their inclusion of female fighters in their official militia, the People's Protection Units (initialized YPG in local dialect). They are also very successful and reliable fighters. The YPG are the only local forces that ISIS is reportedly afraid of, for example. I strongly support their efforts and consider their revolutionary struggle the most important one in the world today.
 
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Just thought this was a cool story and a rare example of quality, mainstream news coverage of the anarchist revolutionary struggle currently going on in Syria. :)

(The crux is that American anarchists are now joining them on the battlefield.)

For those who don't know, there's been an anarchist-led revolt going on in northern Syria for some time now that's been focused on fighting the Islamic State and successfully liberated a large swath of territory. While fighting the Islamic State, these anarchists (commonly known in Western parlance as "the Kurds") have also been in the process of gradually reorganizing Rojava (as the part of Syria they control is known) into a stateless society characterized by direct, secular, and inclusive democracy, restorative justice (e.g. reconciliation committees are gradually replacing courts and prisons), and a network of worker-owned cooperatives and communes. They are perhaps best known in the West for their inclusion of female fighters in their official militia, the People's Protection Units (initialized YPG in local dialect). They are also very successful and reliable fighters. The YPG are the only local forces that ISIS is reportedly afraid of, for example. I strongly support their efforts and consider their revolutionary struggle the most important one in the world today.

From what I have read over the last ten or fifteen years, the Kurds seem to be the only group in the area besides Israel that has a serious act together.
 
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I wonder how true anarchists organize themselves.
 
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From what I have read over the last ten or fifteen years, the Kurds seem to be the only group in the area besides Israel that has a serious act together.

They tried and failed to set up their own state enough times by now that they should, anyway
 
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A Kurdish state would Israel 2.0.
 
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Just thought this was a cool story and a rare example of quality, mainstream news coverage of the anarchist revolutionary struggle currently going on in Syria. :)

(The crux is that American anarchists are now joining them on the battlefield.)

For those who don't know, there's been an anarchist-led revolt going on in northern Syria for some time now that's been focused on fighting the Islamic State and successfully liberated a large swath of territory. While fighting the Islamic State, these anarchists (commonly known in Western parlance as "the Kurds") have also been in the process of gradually reorganizing Rojava (as the part of Syria they control is known) into a stateless society characterized by direct, secular, and inclusive democracy, restorative justice (e.g. reconciliation committees are gradually replacing courts and prisons), and a network of worker-owned cooperatives and communes. They are perhaps best known in the West for their inclusion of female fighters in their official militia, the People's Protection Units (initialized YPG in local dialect). They are also very successful and reliable fighters. The YPG are the only local forces that ISIS is reportedly afraid of, for example. I strongly support their efforts and consider their revolutionary struggle the most important one in the world today.
The U.S. government has always hated the Kurds because...well I really can't say why the establishment government hates the Kurds. The establishment does things against the U.S. national interests all the time.
 
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They tried and failed to set up their own state enough times by now that they should, anyway
The U.S. government has repeatedly paid Turkey and Iraq to literally attack them. You try getting your house in order when it's getting bombed all the time.
 
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The U.S. government has repeatedly paid Turkey and Iraq to literally attack them. You try getting your house in order when it's getting bombed all the time.

Gee buddy, you don't think maybe that's because the various Kurdish left wing terrorist groups got plenty of Soviet funding and arms.....hmm.....

The Turks, Iranians and Iraqis wouldn't even have needed to be payed to do so. Nobody wants to give up land for a Kurdish state, and all three countries think that an independent Kurdistan would immediately start trying to carve off their own Kurdish lands.
 
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The U.S. government has always hated the Kurds because...well I really can't say why the establishment government hates the Kurds. The establishment does things against the U.S. national interests all the time.

I disagree with "always". What the American government does is called imperial opportunism. They support "the Kurds" when they feel there are no better options (e.g. they have often against the Islamic State), but generally turn on them as soon a less, well, anarchistic/socialistic ally (e.g. Turkey) steps forward to do our bidding in a more full-blooded way. We've aided and then sold them out a lot of times already and I suspect that that cycle will continue to repeat itself. A lack of principles beyond self-interest is key to the successful construction and retention of a global empire. I am somewhat concerned, for example, about the Trump Administration's sick fascination with the Assad regime, which opposes the Rojava Revolution for obvious reasons. Any kind of realignment with Assad would tend to undermine the already limited U.S. aid of the YPG.
 
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I wonder how true anarchists organize themselves.

Direct democracy and delegates rather than representatives.
 
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Gee buddy, you don't think maybe that's because the various Kurdish left wing terrorist groups got plenty of Soviet funding and arms.....hmm.....

The Turks, Iranians and Iraqis wouldn't even have needed to be payed to do so. Nobody wants to give up land for a Kurdish state, and all three countries think that an independent Kurdistan would immediately start trying to carve off their own Kurdish lands.
They're the only reliable fighters in the M.E. and when you say "soviet funds" that just goes to show how long ago that was. Are you tacitly admitting that the U.S. government is screwing over the Kurds because of a 20 year old grudge against Russia? Because last time I checked the world has changed over the past 30 years and Russia has been supporting Syria, not the Kurds.

We already had the inside track with Iraq and a bargaining chip with Turkey when it comes to refugees aid and if we weren't literally supporting terrorists to attack Assad we'd have good relations with them too. So we would have had Iraq in our pocket and better relations with Syria and Turkey and we could have at least TRIED to do something.

Shoulda-coulda-woulda aside, the U.S. government's constant and never ending short-sighted idiocy and self-defeating policy in the m.e. is why we spend Trillions of dollars there and never make any progress. We never could have made progress with IRAN, but with three other nations SOMETHING could have maybe have been worked out. Instead we have a long documented history of backstabbing the only reliable people in the M.E. besides Israel.
 
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They're the only reliable fighters in the M.E. and when you say "soviet funds" that just goes to show how long ago that was. Are you tacitly admitting that the U.S. government is screwing over the Kurds because of a 20 year old grudge against Russia? Because last time I checked the world has changed over the past 30 years and Russia has been supporting Syria, not the Kurds.

We already had the inside track with Iraq and a bargaining chip with Turkey when it comes to refugees aid and if we weren't literally supporting terrorists to attack Assad we'd have good relations with them too. So we would have had Iraq in our pocket and better relations with Syria and Turkey and we could have at least TRIED to do something.

Shoulda-coulda-woulda aside, the U.S. government's constant and never ending short-sighted idiocy and self-defeating policy in the m.e. is why we spend Trillions of dollars there and never make any progress. We never could have made progress with IRAN, but with three other nations SOMETHING could have maybe have been worked out. Instead we have a long documented history of backstabbing the only reliable people in the M.E. besides Israel.

Actually, all things considered it really wasn't that long ago, especially in a region which holds grudges going back hundreds of years.

And judging by the amount of air support we've given the Kurds, your fantasy that we're "screwing them over" is laughable.

Your support for brutal dicatatorships noticed and dismissed. We all know your conspiracy theories about the US supporting ISIS and Hilary wanting terrorists to kill Americans.

Reliable my ass. They are better than ISIS, but they still were more than willing to help the Turks try and kill every Armenian they could catch.
 
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They tried and failed to set up their own state enough times by now that they should, anyway

I had the feeling that they have made good progress in Iraq.
 
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Incidentally PissPigGranddad isn't actually an anarchist
 
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Direct democracy and delegates rather than representatives.

I suppose they feel no compunction to follow the prescriptions of government or other formalities of organization, though.
 
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bloody pkk killed 2 teachers a few weeks ago ....you understand what I mean
 
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Actually, all things considered it really wasn't that long ago, especially in a region which holds grudges going back hundreds of years.

And judging by the amount of air support we've given the Kurds, your fantasy that we're "screwing them over" is laughable.

Your support for brutal dicatatorships noticed and dismissed. We all know your conspiracy theories about the US supporting ISIS and Hilary wanting terrorists to kill Americans.

Reliable my ass. They are better than ISIS, but they still were more than willing to help the Turks try and kill every Armenian they could catch.

huh ? Turkish people are murderers ??????????????
 
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huh ? Turkish people are murderers ??????????????

You committed genocide against the Armenians.
 
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Well, considering that the genocide against the Armenians found completion over a hundred years ago, I reckon that accusing any Turk of today (including a poster present here) of having participated in the murders is a bit far stretched.

Which of course does not address the nation wide denial over the whole disgraceful affair at all, but the Turkish people have overall been brainwashed into that denial for nearly a century.
 
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※→ et al,

Nearly all the deeper Socio-Political (Contemporary Political Sociology) problems and conflict to the individual sovereignty of the regional powers between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jummu/Kashmir Territory have had a lot to do with the influence extended by the Western Powers since WWI. The US needs to back-out of the these areas (except for the only ally - Israel) and adopt a totally neutral political/foreign policy. Let's allow these countries to to rake havoc on themselves, but not at the expense of the US. If Afghanistan falls to the Taliban, so be it. If the Turks, Syrians, and the Iraqis fall prey to DAESH (ISIS) militancy, so be it.

We should not care, as a government, about the Rojava Revolution - one way of the other. The US should not care what Americans go to fight (one side or the other) in the Revolution. However, when US Citizens attempt to return from such foreign military service, they should be immediately arrested under 18 USC 958-960.

It could subject volunteers, under §349(a)(3) of the INA [8 USC 1481(a)(3)] that provides for loss of American nationality if a US national voluntarily serves in the armed forces of any foreign country.

The US has not made a move in this Region that was appreciated by the predominately Muslim populations in over a Century (with the shaky exception of Kuwait).

Just one man's opinion.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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American operators are 'advising' the YPG and calling in US airstrikes. The Kurds in the Rojave region of Syria are a cohesive social/political/military entity, but are not a recognized nation.

The YPG is currently fighting on the western edge of Raqqah, the Islamic State caliphate capital. Daesh, Assad's forces, and Turkish forces would all like to destroy the YPG albeit for different reasons.
 
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Operation Cyclone (the arming and training of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan) blew back in America's face almost 40 years ago. Do you really want combat trained and experienced anarchist insurgents returning to America with skill sets which could be used against the US state? They could teach other anarchists or other disillusioned people how to effectively start an armed insurgency at home. Just like the jihadis who travelled to fight with ISIL, these soldiers of fortune should be arrested and prosecuted for acting as illegal mercenaries and if found guilty then jailed. They are dangerous in the extreme. Most sensible nations either arrest them upon their return or interrogate and monitor such people as a threat to national security.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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※→ Evilroddy, et al,

On a regular basis, but not appearing in uniform intervals, US leadership makes the same mistake. The US leadership has an established history of

Operation Cyclone (the arming and training of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan) blew back in America's face almost 40 years ago. Do you really want combat trained and experienced anarchist insurgents returning to America with skill sets which could be used against the US state?
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No one really wants "experienced anarchist insurgents returning to America" (whether US trained and equipped -- or not). This is an inadvertent backfire as an unintended consequence of entering a conflict with no possibility of a political success; even if all the military confrontations ended in a decisive victory for America. (America can defeat the opposing force in every engagement, and still be a political failure.)

The last thing American Strategist need is another case of its own weapons and training turned against us. The is no just reason for entering into risky adventures with Muslim Based cultures having a track record of turning against America. That includes Afghanistan and Pakistan. Yet, the US makes that mistake quite often with disastrous results; significant losses in blood, treasure and political capital.

They could teach other anarchists or other disillusioned people how to effectively start an armed insurgency at home. Just like the jihadis who travelled to fight with ISIL, these soldiers of fortune should be arrested and prosecuted for acting as illegal mercenaries and if found guilty then jailed. They are dangerous in the extreme. Most sensible nations either arrest them upon their return or interrogate and monitor such people as a threat to national security.
(COMMENT)

Yes, counter revolutionary programs are a very dangerous and high risk strategy. What works in one culture, may not work in another culture.

AGREED: The arrest upon their return or foreign national entry into the US is a better way to go... But such a strategy will not go unopposed in the US.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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