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Do the Saudi's have something over us?

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As for Saudi Arabia, Trump suggested he was biting his tongue in the interests of maintaining a good relationship with the Kingdom, but he is not pleased with their past activities: “A lot of money is being spent from certain countries on radicalizing people. I don’t like that. I don’t like that.”
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Trump: Islamic State Are 'Sneaky, Dirty Rats' - Breitbart

There are not very many of them. We dont need their oil like we used to. And still we act like this.

Why? What happens if we jam them up for some of the major crap they have been pulling?

I never believed the conspiracy theories on this till now.

Not even Trump will take them on??!!

MR Radical Islamic Terror

Now I gotta know.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump: Islamic State Are 'Sneaky, Dirty Rats' - Breitbart

There are not very many of them. We dont need their oil like we used to. And still we act like this.

Why? What happens if we jam them up for some of the major crap they have been pulling?

I never believed the conspiracy theories on this till now.

Not even Trump will take them on??!!

MR Radical Islamic Terror

Now I gotta know.
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He does not like that but he cant do anything,.Their current activities are better ? Trump seems to be learning how to be a good politician.
 
Medusa said:
He does not like that but he cant do anything,.Their current activities are better ? Trump seems to be learning how to be a good politician.
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I say that he has been great for awhile.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump: Islamic State Are 'Sneaky, Dirty Rats' - Breitbart

There are not very many of them. We dont need their oil like we used to. And still we act like this.

Why? What happens if we jam them up for some of the major crap they have been pulling?

I never believed the conspiracy theories on this till now.

Not even Trump will take them on??!!

MR Radical Islamic Terror

Now I gotta know.
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They are one of the only allies that is actually putting themselves behind the Syrian opposition, stand against a strategic enemy in Teheran and actively fight other enemies of ours in the region. Removing stability in SA would hurt us. We could have done something about SA without too much risk in the 1990s. But even after Iraq 2, when Dr Rice told them that they would be better positioned for the future as a constitutionally democratic monarchy, the risk was too large to force the issue. You can only handle so much at a time and have to prioritize. Putin or IS are much more dangerous.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump: Islamic State Are 'Sneaky, Dirty Rats' - Breitbart

There are not very many of them. We dont need their oil like we used to. And still we act like this.

Why? What happens if we jam them up for some of the major crap they have been pulling?

I never believed the conspiracy theories on this till now.

Not even Trump will take them on??!!

MR Radical Islamic Terror

Now I gotta know.
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Even if we don't need that oil any more we have to be concerned about the world's oil supply. If oil prices go up people in poor countries start dying for lack of basic needs, for example.

In the meantime, Trump is signaling to the Saudis that they need to stop that Wahhabi crap.
 
joG said:
They are one of the only allies that is actually putting themselves behind the Syrian opposition, stand against a strategic enemy in Teheran and actively fight other enemies of ours in the region. Removing stability in SA would hurt us. We could have done something about SA without too much risk in the 1990s. But even after Iraq 2, when Dr Rice told them that they would be better positioned for the future as a constitutionally democratic monarchy, the risk was too large to force the issue. You can only handle so much at a time and have to prioritize. Putin or IS are much more dangerous.
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Saudis actively fight SHIA 'enemies' to include the brutal suppression of their own minority and Qatar's Shia MAJORITY. They, as private and aid societies, have been supporting Sunni terrorists. Many fighters in BushII's debacle in the desert came from or through SUA.

I read 15 of the 9-11 terrorists came from SUA. Trump cites 9-11 but ignores any of the details (imagine that), and he has a rather patchwork map of countries he sees as too full of terrorists to allow any of them into our melting pot without 'extreme vetting- what ever the puck that means.

Now the traditional reason we support SUA and turn a blind eye to the rather repugnant relationship they have with Wahhabism (the center of this warp version of Islam is in SUA) is money. More to the point the use of greenbacks as the currency for international oil sales. WE may not do as much business as before but our oil corporations sure do. We may not buy large amounts of SUA oil but requiring OTHER nations to pay in US folding helps secure our money as the coin of the realm.

When relations got a bit tense during the second Iraq war SUA hinted about testing using OTHER currencies for payment and we did a very quick SDSTFU on the human rights issue... :peace
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump: Islamic State Are 'Sneaky, Dirty Rats' - Breitbart

There are not very many of them. We dont need their oil like we used to. And still we act like this.

Why? What happens if we jam them up for some of the major crap they have been pulling?

I never believed the conspiracy theories on this till now.

Not even Trump will take them on??!!

MR Radical Islamic Terror

Now I gotta know.
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SA has historically been aligned with Big Energy Multinational Corporations and joined at the hip with the CIA. The CIA always worked hand in hand with USA Corporations oversess. They were not legally allowed to operate domestically. Lots of Big US Energy Corporations operated in SA and all had great political power. ExxonMobil, Bechtel, Haliburton, etc. to name a few. Our deal with SA keeps them off Israel's back. We tried keeping Iran an enemy for Israel's benefit as well. Syria and Israel share a border and what a coincidence. We made a deal with SA to provide them a US military umbrella and they agreed, in return, to price OIL in Petrodollars. Quid pro quo. This created a huge worldwide demand for USDollars and had been a backbone for the Federal Reserve Currency a/k/a the USDollar. Saddam Hussein sold Iraqi OIL for EUROS and look what happened to him. SA and Big Money means Big Banking because you do not store rooms full of money, but put the money to work making more money and at some huge level, Money is Power. That put them in the Western Banking cabal, Fed, ECB, London, Rothschild, Rockefeller, BIS, IMF, World Bank, and these banks all collude to control their power. Notice Russia and China and India, the other 40% of the World economy are not exactly indluded. Since the USDollar is the Reserve currency, it can influence the economies, as in Full Spectrum Dominance economically, of the Nations not in the cabal. China and Russia have been attempting to develop all banking alternatives to compete against this cabal and that is what I think the Cold War is about. SA is part of the Western cabal so the recent warm relations between Russia and SA are a threat to the Banking cabal. International money movements for trade are controlled by the cabal with SWIFT, CHIPS, etc. The BRICS group is an attempt to circumvent this cabal, so revolutions/sanctions/etc. can be expected in the BRICS members. All to protect the Western Banking cabal and its' partner SA./
 
notquiteright said:
Saudis actively fight SHIA 'enemies' to include the brutal suppression of their own minority and Qatar's Shia MAJORITY. They, as private and aid societies, have been supporting Sunni terrorists. Many fighters in BushII's debacle in the desert came from or through SUA.

I read 15 of the 9-11 terrorists came from SUA. Trump cites 9-11 but ignores any of the details (imagine that), and he has a rather patchwork map of countries he sees as too full of terrorists to allow any of them into our melting pot without 'extreme vetting- what ever the puck that means.

Now the traditional reason we support SUA and turn a blind eye to the rather repugnant relationship they have with Wahhabism (the center of this warp version of Islam is in SUA) is money. More to the point the use of greenbacks as the currency for international oil sales. WE may not do as much business as before but our oil corporations sure do. We may not buy large amounts of SUA oil but requiring OTHER nations to pay in US folding helps secure our money as the coin of the realm.

When relations got a bit tense during the second Iraq war SUA hinted about testing using OTHER currencies for payment and we did a very quick SDSTFU on the human rights issue... :peace
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I don't think that's quite right. As you say money i.e. reliable oil supply was the main reason for support for SA at first. That shifted with time and has been eclipsed by the international economic stabilizer of oil prices for global industry and then replaced by their political stability function in the region.
 
joG said:
I don't think that's quite right. As you say money i.e. reliable oil supply was the main reason for support for SA at first. That shifted with time and has been eclipsed by the international economic stabilizer of oil prices for global industry and then replaced by their political stability function in the region.
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No I said major US oil corporations, to include oilfield supply and maintenance, profit YUGELY from a relationship with the Saudis to this day. The greenback being used in oil dealings profits our economic stability and by trickle down the rest of the world. Let us push them too hard to be 'supportive' and see them run to China or Russia.

The Saudis don't stabilize the region, they profit from the chaos to keep the US off their backs over human right abuses. Saudi Arabia is FAR from democracy in any form and violently repressive if the Royalty feels threatened. They did little about terrorists until THEY were attacked and care little about terrorists outside their borders. Where are their Bns fighting in Iraq to oust the ISIL forces? Their AF bombing ISIL positions?

15 of the 9-11 terrorists were Saudis, Trump and the rest seem to avoid remembering that.... how about you???? :peace
 
notquiteright said:
No I said major US oil corporations, to include oilfield supply and maintenance, profit YUGELY from a relationship with the Saudis to this day. The greenback being used in oil dealings profits our economic stability and by trickle down the rest of the world. Let us push them too hard to be 'supportive' and see them run to China or Russia.

The Saudis don't stabilize the region, they profit from the chaos to keep the US off their backs over human right abuses. Saudi Arabia is FAR from democracy in any form and violently repressive if the Royalty feels threatened. They did little about terrorists until THEY were attacked and care little about terrorists outside their borders. Where are their Bns fighting in Iraq to oust the ISIL forces? Their AF bombing ISIL positions?

15 of the 9-11 terrorists were Saudis, Trump and the rest seem to avoid remembering that.... how about you???? :peace
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That doesn't say any more than that you don't like SA and believe they destabilize the region. That doesn't convince me if anything other than that you have a gripe.
 
DaveFagan said:
SA has historically been aligned with Big Energy Multinational Corporations and joined at the hip with the CIA. The CIA always worked hand in hand with USA Corporations oversess. They were not legally allowed to operate domestically. Lots of Big US Energy Corporations operated in SA and all had great political power. ExxonMobil, Bechtel, Haliburton, etc. to name a few. Our deal with SA keeps them off Israel's back. We tried keeping Iran an enemy for Israel's benefit as well. Syria and Israel share a border and what a coincidence. We made a deal with SA to provide them a US military umbrella and they agreed, in return, to price OIL in Petrodollars. Quid pro quo. This created a huge worldwide demand for USDollars and had been a backbone for the Federal Reserve Currency a/k/a the USDollar. Saddam Hussein sold Iraqi OIL for EUROS and look what happened to him. SA and Big Money means Big Banking because you do not store rooms full of money, but put the money to work making more money and at some huge level, Money is Power. That put them in the Western Banking cabal, Fed, ECB, London, Rothschild, Rockefeller, BIS, IMF, World Bank, and these banks all collude to control their power. Notice Russia and China and India, the other 40% of the World economy are not exactly indluded. Since the USDollar is the Reserve currency, it can influence the economies, as in Full Spectrum Dominance economically, of the Nations not in the cabal. China and Russia have been attempting to develop all banking alternatives to compete against this cabal and that is what I think the Cold War is about. SA is part of the Western cabal so the recent warm relations between Russia and SA are a threat to the Banking cabal. International money movements for trade are controlled by the cabal with SWIFT, CHIPS, etc. The BRICS group is an attempt to circumvent this cabal, so revolutions/sanctions/etc. can be expected in the BRICS members. All to protect the Western Banking cabal and its' partner SA./
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Not to mention that if global oil contracts are not pegged to the dollar eventually we get reamed, and that would take away a lot of the ability to deal with a whole host of things by manipulating the value of the dollar. This is huuge. But so big that Trump will not go after SA for promoting over a period of decades radical islamic terror? IDK.

I have heard the argument you give before, but I cant help but to figure that there has to be something more too it. I did read a couple years back an argument that American global dominance is tied to dollar denominated oil, but I was not a buyer. Maybe I should have been?
 
SA is not a stabilizing factor in the region anyway (already outlined here). Their efforts to "pacify" Syria consist of supporting the radicals on the other side and they're not particularly worried about that, as long as it spikes Iran and its Hezbollah allies and ousts Assad as the other Shiite of the three.

To assume that they'd eventually ever accept any other government (if that were at all to come) in Syria that would be even remotely democratic (and of course Sunni dominated) is a pipe dream.

They're far more afraid of the Shiites (any Shiites) than of radical fundamentalist thugs like IS, al Nusra et.al.

Principally because they're in cahoots with those. Not officially but barely veiled.

Their contribution to the "alliance":roll: is minimal, seeing how they've already overstretched themselves in Yemen (same anti-Shia frenzy) and seeing how they see themselves as not really being able to afford pee-ing off the radical Wahhabi (within and without).

On top of which the ruling class (royals) in SA are seated on a precarious perch and have been for years, doing a tightrope dance to keep that perch from toppling by assuaging the very people we're asking them to neutralize. The stone-age Islam there and the one further North (currently) actually make for natural alliance, it's only Saudi fear of suffering the same atrocities seen further North that keeps it from materializing.

To thus credit a government that is highly unstable itself with having a stabilizing function in the area, shows extreme ignorance of the whole area in general and SA in particular.

The only stability we might (I say might) be able to contribute towards actually lies in keeping the current balance with all its otherwise catastrophic features. Neutralizing Iranian power in that part of the geography would be as disastrous as neutralizing Saudi money. Only difference between the two countries being that Saudi wouldn't last against an onslaught by the radicals for any notable time.

They have probably the most expensive military hardware in the whole area and in greatest abundance at that, but to the greater part its all operated by mercenaries. It may be a bit of a broad brush stroke but in general where Saudis don't work, they don't fight either.

Except for those that have already been conveniently exported to theatres that we all know of, so as to create the havoc there that they'd otherwise be creating at home.
 
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