• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Kerry to propose 'comprehensive vision' for Israel-Palestinian peace process

In the interview, Kerry also pushed back against allegations that the U.S. in any way orchestrated the United Nations' condemnation of Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories with the four countries that put forward the resolution.

"Those four countries that ultimately brought it to the floor did so absolutely on their own," Kerry said. "I had no communication with those four countries in the course of that process."
Click to expand...
John Kerry to Andrea Mitchell: U.S. Allies Won'''t Be '''Swayed''' by Trump'''s Tweets - NBC News

Lying right after his whine fest that had been misrepresented as a new peace plan is a great way to further sink both his and Obama's reputation, what remains of it.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Kerry is a doddering old fool just like Joe Biden. Both of them have been lacking in common sense for a very long time. They mistakenly think anything that comes out of their mouths is clever.
Click to expand...

And Obama is the young fool of that posse....the difference between the three though is that Biden is capable of reading a crowd, and playing to it. Obama and Kerry are almost always found to be in their own worlds, which is too often their own delusions.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Israel very much wants peace
Click to expand...
and has offered it many times over the five decades this conflict has gone on. Israel is not the roadblock to peace. The Palestinian side is. They have no intention of accepting anything less then the extermination of Israel and the Jewish religion. that's why the conflict is still going on. They do not want a two state solution. They want a one state solution with Israel gone. Unfortunately so do all of the fools across the planet putting the blame on Israel.
Click to expand...



People who think like you are one reason why this conflict will probably still be going on fifty years from now.

If Israel really wanted peace it wouldn't continue to build settlements on its opponents land.

What Israel really wants is its opponents land.It has shown that with its actions over the years.
 
Ultimately, it will be up to the Israeli people to decide whether the unusually heated attacks that Israeli officials have directed toward this administration best serve Israel's national interests and its relationship with an ally that has been steadfast in its support. Those attacks, alongside allegations of a U.S.-led conspiracy and other manufactured claims, distract and divert attention from what the substance of this vote really was about
Click to expand...
Read: John Kerry?s dramatic speech attacking Israel?s settlement policy - Vox

Unfortunately this sort of gibberish and lack of respect for others is par for the course with Obama/Kerry....In one sentence he says that the Israeli people have to decide if their government is right, in the next he claims that there is nothing to decide, that he is in possession of the fact that the Israeli government sucks.

What a dick.
 
shrubnose said:
People who think like you are one reason why this conflict will probably still be going on fifty years from now.

If Israel really wanted peace it wouldn't continue to build settlements on its opponents land.

What Israel really wants is its opponents land.It has shown that with its actions over the years.
Click to expand...

Such as the withdrawal from Gaza, giving back the Sinai Peninsula (three times bigger than Israel) for peace with Egypt and offering to give back the Golan Heights in exchange for peace with Syria immediately after the Six-Days war has ended - obviously.
 
shrubnose said:
People who think like you are one reason why this conflict will probably still be going on fifty years from now.

If Israel really wanted peace it wouldn't continue to build settlements on its opponents land.

What Israel really wants is its opponents land.It has shown that with its actions over the years.
Click to expand...

Right back at you. people who think as you do are one of the biggest reasons this conflict has gone on for over five decades. There is not another nation on the planet that would show as much patience as Israel has. The disputed lands were used to invade Israel. For the sake of national security, they have held onto them. Settlements would not be an issue if the Palestinians actually wanted peace. There would be no settlements. However this conflict has gone on for over 50 years because the Palestinians terrorist groups commit terrorism on nearly a daily basis. And they do that because morons in the world community sympathise with them and blame Israel. If Israel did not care about world opinion or collateral civilian damage they could take end this conflict in a matter of days, just as they did the earlier wars.
 
David Remnick
“The Clinton machine has done a spectacular job manipulating the liberal media against Donald Trump,” Friedman wrote. “While the revelation of Mr. Trump’s demeaning comments caught on tape some eleven years ago brought him, as one would expect, widespread negative attention, the New York Times ran with the story with all the journalistic integrity of the worst gossip rag. If only the Times had reported on the Nazi death camps with the same fervor as its failed last-minute attempt to conjure up alleged victims of Donald Trump, imagine how many lives could have been saved. But the Times has never been committed to the unvarnished truth and its priorities have never included causes important to Israel or the Jewish people.”
Click to expand...

This is the voice of the next American Ambassador to Israel. The Obama Administration, knowing this was the case, needed to be heard one last time.
Click to expand...
The Obama Administration’s Final Warning on the Middle East Peace Process - The New Yorker


You're kidding me right David, THAT'S supposed to be the justification for THE PRICK EXTRAORDINAIRE causing all of the chaos and roadblocks to peace in a fit as he walks out of the office??!!

Obama is an asshole who puts himself and his emotional needs before nation.

We the American people got played.

THERE, I said it.

I mean it.
 
shrubnose said:
What thinking country on this planet really thinks that Israel wants peace with its neighbors?

Fill us in.
Click to expand...

I don't know what any country thinks about anything. I personally believe most Israelis very much want to live in peace with the Arabs in nations bordering Israel. Unfortunately, many of those Arabs loathe Jews and want to fight. Any nation that chooses to make war on another nation which is far stronger had better hope the stronger nation never gets deadly serious, and decides to blow them all to hell. Israel has the means to end all fighting with any hostile Arab nation permanently, in an hour, any time it might choose to.
 
A recent CNN profile described Kerry as “an indefatigable optimist, a warrior—occasionally quixotic, always gung ho—who refuses to stop until he’s made every last phone call, bent every last ear, appealed to every last world leader who might help him in his quest.”
Click to expand...
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/139...ech-fitting-end-quixotic-term-secretary-state

In other words a pest, mostly likely of the delusional sort.

It is no shocker that he got nearly nothing done.

EVER

Kerry’s speech may provide a broad outline of what he would like the future to look like, but it will be hard not to see it as a kind of capstone: The end of one era of U.S. diplomacy before the return of a more cynical version.
Click to expand...

Nobody gives a flying **** what Kerry thinks the future should look like, and if he cares so much that he has to go out and **** Trump and the cause of peace on the way out the door then he should have cared enough to get something done while he was on the scene.

Oh wait, he is incompetent, he was never going to get anything done, but THE PRICK EXTRAORDINAIRE picked him anyway cause he sucks ass too.

Fun times.

We the American people got PLAYED!
 
Last edited:
NonoBadDog said:
Kerry is an idiot. Always has been, always will be.
Click to expand...

For sure but I dont think picking him will make the top ten list of indictments against Obama by history.

There is too much competition.

Top 25 probably.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
For sure but I dont think picking him will make the top ten list of indictments against Obama by history.

There is too much competition.

Top 25 probably.
Click to expand...
Probably, but he might even fall short of that list!
 
matchlight said:
I don't know what any country thinks about anything. I personally believe most Israelis very much want to live in peace with the Arabs in nations bordering Israel. Unfortunately, many of those Arabs loathe Jews and want to fight. Any nation that chooses to make war on another nation which is far stronger had better hope the stronger nation never gets deadly serious, and decides to blow them all to hell. Israel has the means to end all fighting with any hostile Arab nation permanently, in an hour, any time it might choose to.
Click to expand...

This is what I find odd about people blaming Isreal. They have the power to wipe them out but yet instead of doing so continue to try and negotiate a peace while the other side continues to refuse to even negotiate. EDIT: Just heard that Palestine is wanting to negotiate, so things may finally come to a close

What is truly worrisome, how on earth has this become a partisan issue?
 
Last edited:
Nap said:
This is what I find odd about people blaming Isreal. They have the power to wipe them out but yet instead of doing so continue to try and negotiate a peace while the other side continues to refuse to even negotiate. EDIT: Just heard that Palestine is wanting to negotiate, so things may finally come to a close

What is truly worrisome, how on earth has this become a partisan issue?
Click to expand...

The Arabs who continue to behave belligerently toward Israel should give thanks every day that Israel is not the evil entity they make it out to be. If it were truly what they say, they would long since have been annihilated.

Israel has a few very modern submarines which run silently and are hard to detect. They seem to have oversized torpedo tubes, which reportedly are suited to firing, while submerged, an Israeli-designed cruise missile that can carry a warhead as large as 200 kilotons. The range of these "Popeye" missiles is not known exactly, but it is probably at least several hundred miles. These subs have appeared in the Mediterranean and also have transited the Red Sea and appeared in the Arabian Gulf. Their wide-ranging deployment and stealth hold millions of people in hostile Arab nations at risk, and these people would continue to be in the bullseye even if a jihadist regime like the one in Tehran were ever foolish enough to launch a nuclear attack on Israel. A single Israeli Dolphin-class sub lurking in the Persian Gulf could destroy Iran's largest cities and kill millions, even if Israel had already been dealt a fatal blow. Food for thought.

Any nation that wants to start a fight with a more powerful and determined opponent would do well to think first about what that opponent would do to it in retaliation. A movie quote comes to mind: "Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have f***** with?"
 
Last edited:
matchlight said:
I don't know what any country thinks about anything. I personally believe most Israelis very much want to live in peace with the Arabs in nations bordering Israel. Unfortunately, many of those Arabs loathe Jews and want to fight. Any nation that chooses to make war on another nation which is far stronger had better hope the stronger nation never gets deadly serious, and decides to blow them all to hell.
Israel has the means to end all fighting with any hostile Arab nation permanently, in an hour, any time it might choose to.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...



Israel isn't the only country on this planet with nukes. Pakistan has plenty of them,and the means to deliver them.

Think about that a little bit.
 
Really if you think about what Obama did might just be brilliant, showing to Palestine that right now is possibly the best chance they have at getting a favorable deal before Trump comes in. It is fairly obvious that Trump is extremely Pro-Isreal and with that kind of backing there is no telling what could possibly happen in the next 4 to 8 years especially with Trump talking about defunding or other changes to the UN. Basically using Trump as a scare tactic.
 
Nap said:
Really if you think about what Obama did might just be brilliant, showing to Palestine that right now is possibly the best chance they have at getting a favorable deal before Trump comes in. It is fairly obvious that Trump is extremely Pro-Isreal and with that kind of backing there is no telling what could possibly happen in the next 4 to 8 years especially with Trump talking about defunding or other changes to the UN. Basically using Trump as a scare tactic.
Click to expand...

Every President past was the best chance they had. Regularly there is a deal cut and some competing Palestinian group usually supported by Iran has sent some rockets or baby bombs into Israel.
 
joG said:
Every President past was the best chance they had. Regularly there is a deal cut and some competing Palestinian group usually supported by Iran has sent some rockets or baby bombs into Israel.
Click to expand...

Just trying to be optimistic :p
 
Given these circumstances, the Kerry speech raises questions about what purpose it serves 23 days before he leaves his job, other than a cri de coeur at the end of long and abortive effort to make an impact on the Israeli-Palestinian impasse, and a desire perhaps to put his own imprimatur on a formal blueprint for peace.

Ilan Goldenberg, a former state department official, argued the speech had a value beyond such vain motives in setting down a marker ahead of Trump’s arrival in office.

“Obviously it would have been better to give this speech two or three years ago,” said Goldenberg, now director of the middle east security programme at the Centre for a New American Security. “But it is still important to get those principles out there for future negotiators to rally around.”

In other words, the speech is a tidal marker before the coming of the Trump deluge, in the hope it will still have relevance if and when the flood waters recede.
Click to expand...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...dle-east-plan-israel-palestine-peace-attempts

So it goes, after pointing out at the start of the piece that Kerry pretty much gave the same lecture Clinton did in 2000, just as he too was headed out the door.

Thus pretty much shredding the argument.

IN FULL
 
Last edited:
Nap said:
Just trying to be optimistic :p
Click to expand...

The problem with that is that someone might get the impression that there is something nice to be said for the Administration. Beyond that it was quite as horrific as could have been feared eight years ago, anyway.

;)
 
C0yAsn5XAAEeS5h.jpg
 
Kerry’s bombshell Israel speech is one of the most puzzling things I have seen in politics
Why divide Democrats and unite Republicans just when Trump is about to take over?

Matthew Yglesias
Why at a time when the country urgently needs effective political opposition to an alarming new regime that is entering office with vast power but little democratic legitimacy did the Obama administration choose to lash out ineffectually in a way that unites his successor’s coalition while dividing his own party? What does Obama hope this will accomplish? And why pick a fight he's sure to lose?
Click to expand...
Kerry?s bombshell Israel speech is one of the most puzzling things I have seen in politics - Vox

Oh that is easy....Obama is an incompetent prick who puts his emotional needs before the nation and before ME peace.

He is a narcissist, the bad kind.

You're welcome.



EDIT: The talking points handed out say that he did it because he wanted to force the world to have a conversation about the settlements even though the Obama legacy preserver lost to Trump....which is pretty much an Obama admission that he is a incompetent narcissistic prick.
 
Last edited:
shrubnose said:
Israel isn't the only country on this planet with nukes. Pakistan has plenty of them,and the means to deliver them.

Think about that a little bit.
Click to expand...


I have already thought about it, more than a little. If Pakistan has the means to deliver a nuclear weapon to a target in Israel, it has not been well reported. On the other hand, Israel has about five Dolphin-class diesel-electric submarines capable of launching Popeye cruise missiles through their torpedo tubes. Even one of these subs, firing from the Arabian Sea, could destroy Pakistan's main cities. Israel may also have mated nuclear warheads to its Jericho-3 missile, which could deliver them from Israel to any part of Pakistan.

Long live Israel. Long live the United States. Down with Islamic jihadists, and down with their anti-Semitic and anti-American abettors.
 
Last edited:
If there is one thing that will unite all Republicans it is their support for Israel. It also is a topic that divides the Democrats.

Now Congress convenes from their Holiday next week. If they want to send a message to the UN before its little pow wow in France where many believe is designed to delegitimize Israel's sovereignty, they should start their session by passing The Palestinian Accountability Act introduced by Rep. DeSantis of FL almost 4 years ago.

The Palestinian Accountability Act will withhold foreign aid from the Palestinian Authority until:
It recognizes Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state.
Strongly and regularly condemns terrorism, while bringing terrorists to justice.
The Palestinian Authority excludes Hamas from government unless Hamas is publically held to the requirements of this bill.
Furthermore, the Palestinian Accountability Act will withhold funding to the United Nations should the UN recognize a Palestinian state as a Member state, unless the requirements of this bill are met.*
Click to expand...

Rep. DeSantis Introduces Palestinian Accountability Act | Congressman Ron DeSantis

Then follow through with passing the PLO Accountability Act introduced by Rep. Ros-Lehtinen FL and Senator Cruz TX.

This bill would close down all the PLO offices operating on our shores until they stop inciting and funding terror. Under our existing laws they do not have the right operate diplomatically while being involved in such things. A couple of decades ago, Bill Clinton signed a waiver to allow them to. I think it is long past due that mistake be corrected.

Rep. Ros-Lehtinen and Sen. Cruz Introduce the PLO Accountability Act | Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

There's also legislation in the works to defund the UN till they overturn their recent resolution.

I think Congress by acting would send a loud message around the world. And it would definitely send a message to the UN pow wow set to occur in France the middle of Jan.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom