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Iran minister rejects Trump vow to renegotiate nuclear deal

The U.S. is not bound by any international agreement it no longer chooses to be bound by. Any treaty we make can be abrogated, and less binding agreements like this one are easier yet to dissolve. The correct response to the jihadist regime in Tehran would have been an ultimatum, years ago, to disband its nuclear weapons program completely and then prove that it had. This demand could have been emphasized by moving into position, outside the Gulf, a naval force strong enough to impose a remote blockade of Iranian ports that would have ruined Iran's economy within months. It could have been further emphasized by making clear that might be only a first step, and that if the facilities still were not removed, U.S. forces would remove them from the air. To allow that regime to get atom bombs, considering the thousands of jihadists it could call on to carry out clandestine nuclear attacks on cities, would endanger the peace of the whole civilized world.

You seem to ignore the fact that the sanctions imposed on Iran, many by the Obama administration, are the very reason that Iran was willing to reach this agreement.

No one is allowing Iran to get an atom bomb and your "correct response" would have been pursued by other administrations much sooner if it were the correct response. Instead, they choose to merely try to ignore the Iranian regime or to enact weak sanctions and thereby allowed Iran to build roughly 15,000 centrifuges as well as enrich a large amount of uranium.
 
You seem to ignore the fact that the sanctions imposed on Iran, many by the Obama administration, are the very reason that Iran was willing to reach this agreement.

I do not accept that as fact.

No one is allowing Iran to get an atom bomb

You have no way of knowing that. There is nothing in this agreement to prevent the Tehran regime from doing just that.

and your "correct response" would have been pursued by other administrations much sooner if it were the correct response.

That assumes a government will necessarily make the right decisions in foreign policy. Obviously, many times that has not happened.

Instead, they choose to merely try to ignore the Iranian regime or to enact weak sanctions and thereby allowed Iran to build roughly 15,000 centrifuges as well as enrich a large amount of uranium.

That is exactly what your President Limpwrist has been doing for seven years.
 
I do not accept that as fact.

They did not approach the negotiation table before this point. The fact that Obama was willing to negotiate with them can only explain part of why that is the case.

You have no way of knowing that. There is nothing in this agreement to prevent the Tehran regime from doing just that.

The agreement explicitly prevents Iran from building an atomic bomb by preventing Iran from developing or even stockpiling the necessary precusors for the materials to build an atom bomb. Several of those limitations carry 15 year requirements and some require lengthier amounts.

That assumes a government will necessarily make the right decisions in foreign policy. Obviously, many times that has not happened.

Of course, but your assumption is that you are correct in a field (high level diplomatic discussions between multiple nations) where you almost certainly have zero personal experience.

That is exactly what your President Limpwrist has been doing for seven years.

...Except that Obama (and this agreement) is the reason that they dismantled 10,000 of them...voluntarily and without having to risk American soldiers and equipment on an invasion that would have likely instituted retaliation from Russia and China.
 
They did not approach the negotiation table before this point. The fact that Obama was willing to negotiate with them can only explain part of why that is the case.



The agreement explicitly prevents Iran from building an atomic bomb by preventing Iran from developing or even stockpiling the necessary precusors for the materials to build an atom bomb. Several of those limitations carry 15 year requirements and some require lengthier amounts.



Of course, but your assumption is that you are correct in a field (high level diplomatic discussions between multiple nations) where you almost certainly have zero personal experience.



...Except that Obama (and this agreement) is the reason that they dismantled 10,000 of them...voluntarily and without having to risk American soldiers and equipment on an invasion that would have likely instituted retaliation from Russia and China.

How do you know this? Ben Rhodes has already said that Americans have no idea of what is in the agreement.
 
You should go re-read what Ben Rhodes said.

And then you should consider the fact that the agreement is available for everyone to read.

That may be true, but everyone is going to read how Iran got everything it wanted including a ****load of cash. The agreement guarantees Iran will get the bomb.

A huge fail for America, a victory the appeaser in chief.
 
That may be true, but everyone is going to read how Iran got everything it wanted including a ****load of cash. The agreement guarantees Iran will get the bomb.

A huge fail for America, a victory the appeaser in chief.

It got its cash unfrozen. The cash freeze being what brought them to the negotiating table. To sign onto an agreement that you should be able to read does the exact ****ing opposite of guaranteeing that Iran will get the bomb by ensuring that they dismantle 2/3rds of their centrifuges, ship out currently owned enriched uranium, stopping the enrichment process beyond a certain point, stopping ****ing research on how to enrich past a certain point, filing a Nuclear reactor core with cement, and subjecting themselves to the most rigorous and invasive inspection regime in the world where the penalty is snap-back sanctions.

But yes, let's focus on the ****load of money of their own money that was unfrozen.
 
It got its cash unfrozen. The cash freeze being what brought them to the negotiating table. To sign onto an agreement that you should be able to read does the exact ****ing opposite of guaranteeing that Iran will get the bomb by ensuring that they dismantle 2/3rds of their centrifuges, ship out currently owned enriched uranium, stopping the enrichment process beyond a certain point, stopping ****ing research on how to enrich past a certain point, filing a Nuclear reactor core with cement, and subjecting themselves to the most rigorous and invasive inspection regime in the world where the penalty is snap-back sanctions.

But yes, let's focus on the ****load of money of their own money that was unfrozen.

Yeah right, they are going to inspect their own(military) facilities, or did you miss that part?
 
Yeah right, they are going to inspect their own(military) facilities, or did you miss that part?

I did not miss that part nor does it disagree with the classification I used of the "most rigorous and invasive inspection regime in the world."

Tell me a single country that allows nuclear inspectors to come investigate military facilities without some limitation.
 
I did not miss that part nor does it disagree with the classification I used of the "most rigorous and invasive inspection regime in the world."

Tell me a single country that allows nuclear inspectors to come investigate military facilities without some limitation.

The inspectors are already there in Irans' case. So I guess Iran has the "most rigorous and invasive inspection regime in the world." Right?
 
The inspectors are already there in Irans' case. So I guess Iran has the "most rigorous and invasive inspection regime in the world." Right?

Yes. They do.
 
The agreement explicitly prevents Iran from building an atomic bomb by preventing Iran from developing or even stockpiling the necessary precusors for the materials to build an atom bomb. Several of those limitations carry 15 year requirements and some require lengthier amounts.

And what good do you imagine that is, exactly, if the U.S. lacks the resolve to back it up with the threat of military force? The sanctions the League of Nations imposed against Italy in 1935 explicitly prohibited exports of a long list of strategic materials to that country, too, purportedly to prevent Mussolini from invading what is now known as Ethiopia. The sanctions didn't mean a damned thing, however, because the British government was unwilling to use naval force, or the threat of it, to turn back the invasion fleet. Seeing that lack of resolve, Mussolini ignored the sanctions and went ahead with the invasion. Hitler watched all this, and Britain's flabby acquiescence did a lot to encourage him to risk war by re-occupying the Rhineland less than a year later.

Except that Obama (and this agreement) is the reason that they dismantled 10,000 of them...voluntarily

No doubt the lying jihadist vermin dismantled--or appeared to--obsolescent models they were already replacing with newer and more efficient ones.

and without having to risk American soldiers and equipment on an invasion that would have likely instituted retaliation from Russia and China.

What fantastic nonsense. No serious person who has studied the problem of disarming Iran has ever suggested using a ground invasion to do it. It is, however, routinely trotted out as a lurid, apolcalyptic prospect in an attempt to scare the witless and the gullible. And invoking the specter of a nuclear confrontation is just more lurid melodrama--neither Russia nor China cares a damn about the Tehran regime, except as a potential arms customer.

Academic studies have been published which conclude that destruction of the five main facilities in Iran's nuclear weapons program--the nuclear research center and uranium hexafluoride conversion plant at Esfahan; the nuclear reactor as Bushehr; the underground uranium enrichment centrifuge galleries at Natanz and Fordow; and the heavy water and future plutonium production reactors at Arak--would thoroughly cripple that program.

A small fraction of this country's air forces, with about ten B-2's doing the bulk of the job, could turn all those facilities into junk in short order, without any great risk to the aircraft or crews. All these sites are vulnerable, and no vast tonnage of weapons would be needed. Photo analysis of the one at Arak, for example, shows that as few as four 2,000 bombs, placed just so, would make it useless. The U.S. documented the construction of the huge underground galleries at Natanz with reconnaissance satellites, so it knows very well how much concrete and earth is shielding them. Not enough. A single 30,000 lb. penetrating bomb on each gallery would wreck the centrifuges in it, and even several 5,000-lb. bombs, very accurately placed over each gallery, would do the job. The gallery at Fordow is the toughest nut to crack, but tests show the 30,000-lb. bomb is powerful enough to destroy it, too.
 
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And what good do you imagine that is, exactly, if the U.S. lacks the resolve to back it up with the threat of military force? The sanctions the League of Nations imposed against Italy in 1935 explicitly prohibited exports of a long list of strategic materials to that country, too, purportedly to prevent Mussolini from invading what is now known as Ethiopia. The sanctions didn't mean a damned thing, however, because the British government was unwilling to use naval force, or the threat of it, to turn back the invasion fleet. Seeing that lack of resolve, Mussolini ignored the sanctions and went ahead with the invasion. Hitler watched all this, and Britain's flabby acquiescence did a lot to encourage him to risk war by re-occupying the Rhineland less than a year later.



No doubt the lying jihadist vermin dismantled--or appeared to--obsolescent models they were already replacing with newer and more efficient ones.



What fantastic nonsense. No serious person who has studied the problem of disarming Iran has ever suggested using a ground invasion to do it. It is, however, routinely trotted out as a lurid, apolcalyptic prospect in an attempt to scare the witless and the gullible. And invoking the specter of a nuclear confrontation is just more lurid melodrama--neither Russia nor China cares a damn about the Tehran regime, except as a potential arms customer.

Academic studies have been published which conclude that destruction of the five main facilities in Iran's nuclear weapons program--the nuclear research center and uranium hexafluoride conversion plant at Esfahan; the nuclear reactor as Bushehr; the underground uranium enrichment centrifuge galleries at Natanz and Fordow; and the heavy water and future plutonium production reactors at Arak--would thoroughly cripple that program.

A small fraction of this country's air forces, with about ten B-2's doing the bulk of the job, could turn all those facilities into junk in short order, without any great risk to the aircraft or crews. All these sites are vulnerable, and no vast tonnage of weapons would be needed. Photo analysis of the one at Arak, for example, shows that as few as four 2,000 bombs, placed just so, would make it useless. The U.S. documented the construction of the huge underground galleries at Natanz with reconnaissance satellites, so it knows very well how much concrete and earth is shielding them. Not enough. A single 30,000 lb. penetrating bomb on each gallery would wreck the centrifuges in it, and even several 5,000-lb. bombs, very accurately placed over each gallery, would do the job. The gallery at Fordow is the toughest nut to crack, but tests show the 30,000-lb. bomb is powerful enough to destroy it, too.

I'm just putting down a placeholder post so that hopefully I can make my way back to this post and give a more thorough response.
 
This literally does not mean ****......

Neither does the missing eight minutes from the State department press conference on the subject for dedicated leftists. The missile test ban was to be part of the treaty, but the administration dropped it in favor of the UN resolution. We all know the UN is a bear on enforcement, which is why they're restoring sanctions on Iran. Oh, wait. They aren't. Your response is what doesn't mean ****.
 
Neither does the missing eight minutes from the State department press conference on the subject for dedicated leftists.
What are you talking about?

The missile test ban was to be part of the treaty, but the administration dropped it in favor of the UN resolution.
Nope. Although Iran testing missiles is a violation of a UN Security Council resolution, a missile test ban was never part of the P5+1.
See: https://www.armscontrol.org/Issue-B...tic-Missiles-in-the-JCPOA-and-UNSC-Resolution

We all know the UN is a bear on enforcement, which is why they're restoring sanctions on Iran. Oh, wait. They aren't. Your response is what doesn't mean ****.
What!? :lamo
This response is what doesn't mean **** because you dont understand even the basics of the P5+1.
 
What are you talking about?


Nope. Although Iran testing missiles is a violation of a UN Security Council resolution, a missile test ban was never part of the P5+1.
See: https://www.armscontrol.org/Issue-B...tic-Missiles-in-the-JCPOA-and-UNSC-Resolution


What!? :lamo
This response is what doesn't mean **** because you dont understand even the basics of the P5+1.

I think you're the one with the lack of understanding here. The agreement is inextricably tied to the UN, or perhaps Samantha Powers is incorrect. Maybe you should read a little more about it, and perhaps read the Rhodes comments made recently, if you haven't.
 
I think you're the one with the lack of understanding here. The agreement is inextricably tied to the UN, or perhaps Samantha Powers is incorrect. Maybe you should read a little more about it, and perhaps read the Rhodes comments made recently, if you haven't.

Where did I ever say that the deal is not "tied to the UN"? Also the UN resolution you cited earlier was implemented way before the P5+1 negotiations ever really even took off.
 
Where did I ever say that the deal is not "tied to the UN"? Also the UN resolution you cited earlier was implemented way before the P5+1 negotiations ever really even took off.

They're looking for a new resolution now. Your implication by referencing the P5+1 exclusively is that the agreement stands on it's own. It doesn't.
 
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