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Turkey said on Thursday it would escort aid ships to Gaza and would not allow a repetition of last year's Israeli raid that killed nine Turks, setting the stage for a potential naval confrontation with its former ally.


Raising the stakes in Turkey's row with Israel over its refusal to apologise for the killings, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told Al Jazeera television that Turkey had taken steps to stop Israel from unilaterally exploiting natural resources in the Mediterranean.
"Turkish warships, in the first place, are authorised to protect our ships that carry humanitarian aid to Gaza," Erdoğan said in the interview, broadcast by Al Jazeera with an Arabic translation.
"From now on, we will not let these ships to be attacked by Israel, as what happened with the Freedom Flotilla," Erdoğan said.
Referring to Erdoğan's comments, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said: "This is a statement well-worth not commenting on."
Relations between Turkey and Israel, two close US allies in the region, have soured since Israeli forces boarded the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara aid ship in May 2010. Turkish warships will escort aid vessels to Gaza
 
Actually I would be very interested in Appoc's comments on the above article. In another thread Appoc and I are debating this topic. I suggested the current tensions between Israel and Turkey relate to a deep split between the two over;

1-the Kurds, in particular Turkey's desire to crush them from having a nation and Israel's
decision along with the US to support them against Iran and in Syria and as a natural ally
against Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah;

2-natural gas off the cost of Israel and Cyprus which Turkey wants a share of but has
no title to;

3-the continuing Turkish perception that Cyprus is not an independent nation but a captive
colony of Turkey;

4-the continuing and unresolved blood war between Greece and Turkey including theirt
continued battle over control of Cyprus;

5-Turkey's failed attempt to portray itself as the new leader of the Arab world replacing
Egypt and overplaying its hand trying to pose as a mediator between Syria and Israel.


The above words are part of continued beligerent and bellicose rhetoric from a leader
trying to take over as the next leader of the Middle East and trying to pose himself
as the country that will do what no other Muslim country did, take down Israel.

To suggest Turkey is still Israel's ally and there is no tension between the two and there
is now no alliance between Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds and Israel against both Iran and
Turkey is absurd.

The latest Turkish rhetoric is part of Turkey's latest attempt to try deliberately provoke
Israel. Its what the Turkish leader does. He inflates himself like a peacock and makes
anti Israel comments. He is not the first nor will he be the last of Muslim leaders who puff
themselves and egoes up making anti Israel statements. He is one in a long line of Muslim
fundamentalist leaders using the anti Israel card to puff himself up.

Turkey now reveals itself for what it is a monumental hypocrite. It commits genocide against Kurds
and assists Iran in wiping them out so they can't form a nation and then in the next breath sides
with Hamas and claims Hamas should have the right to bring in weapons to Gaza through the sea.

This is not about assuring Palestinians get food or medical supplies. This is about Turkey sabre rattling and supporting Hamas' right to bring in uninspected ships so they can bring in weapons.

Of course the Turkish leader now makes noises like a donkey. The UN told him Israel had right
to do what they did, and Greece has offered to mediate and inspect ships going to Gaza intead of
Israel. So what else can this dummy say?

If Turkey in fact sent Turkish naval ships into the waters off Gaza to deliberately provoke the Israeli
Navy Israel would not back down. This is not a game for Israel. This is a matter of survival and it will not allow Turkey to escort terrorist weapons into Gaza or facilitate the ability to do so in the future.

As well if Turkey thinks it will use the Iranian puppet satellite of Lebanon as a pretense to try
threaten Israel and Cyprus over their mutual natural gas deposits he is mistaken.

Before Nato allows a naval war between Israel and Turkey which necessarily the Greeks would join they would intercede and that is what this Turkish blow hard is expecting.

He expects at the last second for NATO to step in and tell the Greeks and Israelis to cool it and placate Turkey's desire to share in the gas. This has nothing to do with Palestinians and everything
to do with Turkey playing the Hamas card to get at gas and slap back at Israel for supporting the Kurds.

Israel will not stop supporting the Kurds particularly in Iran and if anything now will increase its support to the Kurds.

Its not a coincidence two days before the above announcement, Israel and Greece announced a military alliance pledging assistance to each other if either was attacked.

The problem now is there is a vacum in NATO leadership. With Obama crippled by his own congress he can do nothing in the Middle East to tell Turkey to cool it and step down.

At this point no one else is willing to tell Turkey to cool it. So Turkey commits continued mass murder on Kurds for wanting a state while in the next breath calling for a Palestinian state.

In this world being a two faced hypocrite is par for the course-as long as you are anti Israel, its just fine.
 
I see nothing wrong with it. If Israel uses force to attack the convoys, then Turkey can use force to pretect the convoys
 
I see nothing wrong with it. If Israel uses force to attack the convoys, then Turkey can use force to pretect the convoys

Right this coming from a nation that would be the first to scream bloody murder if any country assisted North Korea in equpping itself with weapons to wipe out South Korea.

Care to explain why you see nothing wrong in Turkey aiding and abbeting an avowed enemy of Israel dedicated to wiping it out, set a precedent to be able to bring in weapons on uninspected ships it would then use to wipe out Israel?

What Israel should just sit with its hands up its buttox and watch someone who screams openly it must be wiped out collect weapons? really?

So if the Israel navy escorted weapons shipments to North Korea you would have no problems?

You of course are unaware that both the South Korean and US Navy intercept ships headed to North Korea all the time?

Right.

Watch it or I will never by a KIA from you guys again.
 
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Actually I would be very interested in Appoc's comments on the above article. In another thread Appoc and I are debating this topic. I suggested the current tensions between Israel and Turkey relate to a deep split between the two over;

1-the Kurds, in particular Turkey's desire to crush them from having a nation and Israel's
decision along with the US to support them against Iran and in Syria and as a natural ally
against Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah;

2-natural gas off the cost of Israel and Cyprus which Turkey wants a share of but has
no title to;

3-the continuing Turkish perception that Cyprus is not an independent nation but a captive
colony of Turkey;

4-the continuing and unresolved blood war between Greece and Turkey including theirt
continued battle over control of Cyprus;

5-Turkey's failed attempt to portray itself as the new leader of the Arab world replacing
Egypt and overplaying its hand trying to pose as a mediator between Syria and Israel.


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Actually, Mika, you hit it on the head in your earlier posting when you attributed it to the one factor you failed to mention here, namely that of the ideology of Erdogan.

It is ideology that drives actions and shapes the way people view the world, and the supremacist ideology of Erdogan certainly shapes his.
 
Right this coming from a nation that would be the first to scream bloody murder if any country assisted North Korea in equpping itself with weapons to wipe out South Korea.

Care to explain why you see nothing wrong in Turkey aiding and abbeting an avowed enemy of Israel dedicated to wiping it out, set a precedent to be able to bring in weapons on uninspected ships it would then use to wipe out Israel?

What Israel should just sit with its hands up its buttox and watch someone who screams openly it must be wiped out collect weapons? really?

So if the Israel navy escorted weapons shipments to North Korea you would have no problems?

You of course are unaware that both the South Korean and US Navy intercept ships headed to North Korea all the time?

Right.

Watch it or I will never by a KIA from you guys again.

So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?
 
Turkey said on Thursday it would escort aid ships to Gaza and would not allow a repetition of last year's Israeli raid that killed nine Turks, setting the stage for a potential naval confrontation with its former ally.


Raising the stakes in Turkey's row with Israel over its refusal to apologise for the killings, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan told Al Jazeera television that Turkey had taken steps to stop Israel from unilaterally exploiting natural resources in the Mediterranean.
"Turkish warships, in the first place, are authorised to protect our ships that carry humanitarian aid to Gaza," ErdoÄŸan said in the interview, broadcast by Al Jazeera with an Arabic translation.
"From now on, we will not let these ships to be attacked by Israel, as what happened with the Freedom Flotilla," ErdoÄŸan said.
Referring to ErdoÄŸan's comments, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said: "This is a statement well-worth not commenting on."
Relations between Turkey and Israel, two close US allies in the region, have soured since Israeli forces boarded the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara aid ship in May 2010. Turkish warships will escort aid vessels to Gaza

So Turkey, not satisfied with acting like general bastards, now intend on provoking a war by running a legal blockade with a military ship to facilitate the transfer of resources to a terrorist organization.

Let's consider this the "jump the shark" moment where Turkey officially left the western camp to try to reassert dominance over its old empire.
 
So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?

Israel did not attack the convoys, it desired to inspect them and has made that desire clear before the convoy was even launched.
More than several warnings were issued and the soldiers who have boarded the vessels have only made use of force after being attacked by one of the vessel's crew with lethal weapons, thus in self-defense.
Terror attacks are being launched at Israeli civilians from the Gaza Strip, thus Israel wishes to prevent weapons from going into that land, thus it cannot allow ships go unchecked into the Gaza Strip and it has imposed a naval blockade on the Gazan port, a blockade the UN report on the incident recognized as legitimate (due to the terror attacks) and legally imposed.

Thus when Turkey declares that it would not allow Israel to inspect such ships by escorting the convoy with warships it takes a pure act of warmongering and there's nothing legitimate about it. It is also an act of terror supporting as Turkey is interested in breaching the blockade and to allow ships to go unchecked into the Gaza Strip, thus allow weapons to be smuggled into Gaza and be used by Gazan terrorists towards Israeli civilians.
 
So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?

You insult his when you support those whose agenda it is to destroy it.

You are awfully confused if you think running a blockade rather than going through normal channels is a "right". Had the convoy intended to deliver aid, there were several channels at their disposal, but they decided to indulge in a publicity stunt, instead. What you call an "attack" occurred on only one of the ships, where the Islamist thugs lying in wait lynched the first person to board the ship.

Why do you think it is a "right" to lynch Jews? Do you establish this supposed right for any other group, and is there any other group you seek to deny the means to defend themselves against the genocidal maniacs who hate them because of their ethnicity?

His point stands -- if North Korea sent a convoy of ships with the intent of running a blockade set up to protect South Koreans, would you be similarly predisposed towards attacking those seeking to defend themselves?
 
I see nothing wrong with it. If Israel uses force to attack the convoys, then Turkey can use force to pretect the convoys

Good example of why the U.S. should pull it's troops out of South Korea. Why we waste money protecting the South from their brethren in the North is beyond me.
 
If Turkey trys to run the blockade, I hope Israel sinks 'em.
 
I support the Turks on this and anyone else that wants to defend its citizens against pirates.
 
If Turkey trys to run the blockade, I hope Israel sinks 'em.

More accurately stated if Turkish warships launch attacks at Israeli soldiers who wish to inspect a Gaza-Strip bound ship it would be an act of war and the IDF will be expected to defend itself. That's the crazy part about it, Erdoğan is pretty much willing to declare a war, he's gone nutjob and the lack of Israeli reaction to his threats simply emphasizes it, it's a one-sided parade.
 
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Count me shocked. :lol:

So you are saying that you are pro-pirate? That you hate the US forces and NATO forces hunting and defending ships off Somalia? How is this any different?

Yes the international community is some what accepting a blockade of Gaza but in no way endorsing it, but that does not justify in any way the illegal actions of the IDF in attacking ships in international waters. Had they waited to do so till they entered Israeli sovereign waters then it would not only be legal but also morally justified since I believe in the sovereign rights of nation states regardless how much I despise their politics.

I find it highly questionable that only certain nations are allowed to commit acts of war and get away with it, where as if most other nations did exactly the same then the world would be up in arms over the action. What Israel does within its borders, regardless of how morally reprehensible that maybe, is fully legal as long as the world accepts it and does not label it genocide or whatever excuse the world tends to use against "hostile nations".

However if Israel starts to strike outside its borders as it did against the Turkish ship, then yes I reserve the right to call their actions for what it is... out right piracy on the high seas. Not only did they murder people but they stole valuables (and still have not returned it all) from people in international waters and then took them hostage for a period of time ... that sir.. is piracy and no different than when Somalia pirates hijack a ship.

And add to that, Turkey is in its full right, like the US, Iran, China and any other nation on the planet (yes including Israel) to defend its ships and citizens against attack form hostile peoples, governments or gangs.

It is time for Israel to be accountable for its actions just like everyone else and stop hiding behind the war machine of the USA. Only then will the world not only respect Israel, but it will also make it possible for Israel to live in peace in the region.
 
So you are saying that you are pro-pirate? That you hate the US forces and NATO forces hunting and defending ships off Somalia? How is this any different?

Yes the international community is some what accepting a blockade of Gaza but in no way endorsing it, but that does not justify in any way the illegal actions of the IDF in attacking ships in international waters. Had they waited to do so till they entered Israeli sovereign waters then it would not only be legal but also morally justified since I believe in the sovereign rights of nation states regardless how much I despise their politics.

While the UN report speaks of disproportionate force being used in the boarding, it acknowledges the legitimacy and legality of the naval blockade on the Gaza Strip and the legitimacy of the boarding of the vessel. It also acknowledges the fact that Israeli soldiers have reacted in self-defense to attacks from IHH members who were part of the Mavi Marmara crew.
It did not acknowledge any kind of piracy, and indeed there was no piracy involved in the act that was meant to inspect a ship destined to the Gaza Strip of weapons.
Since the convoy has declared its purpose to be to breach the blockade on the Gaza Strip the Israeli soldiers did not violate any law by boarding the vessel away from Israeli waters as the fact that their declared destination is the Gaza Strip's port is enough, as the San Remo manual declares.

I find it highly questionable that only certain nations are allowed to commit acts of war and get away with it

Your support of that act of war to be committed by Turkey points out the fact that you completely support and promote warmongering when it is directed towards a certain nation, or rather certain nations as I am sure it would have been the same was it the US we were speaking of. There's no point hiding it.

However if Israel starts to strike outside its borders as it did against the Turkish ship, then yes I reserve the right to call their actions for what it is... out right piracy on the high seas. Not only did they murder people but they stole valuables (and still have not returned it all) from people in international waters and then took them hostage for a period of time ... that sir.. is piracy and no different than when Somalia pirates hijack a ship.

You have no backing to those claims as even the UN acknowledged the soldiers' use of force as a self-defense against attacks from the IHH members of the Mavi Marmara crew who attacked soldiers with lethal weapons. That's a blood libel motivated with pure hatred towards Israel coming from an immoral point of view.

And add to that, Turkey is in its full right, like the US, Iran, China and any other nation on the planet (yes including Israel) to defend its ships and citizens against attack form hostile peoples, governments or gangs.

In this case Turkey has no right to stop Israel from fulfilling its right to self-defense by inspecting a ship destined to a territory from which terror attacks are being constantly launched at Israeli civilians. Israel has every right to inspect those ships. As such was Turkey to attack Israel over inspecting a ship as you promote here it will be a declaration of war where Turkey is the aggressor and Israel the defender.

It is time for Israel to be accountable for its actions just like everyone else and stop hiding behind the war machine of the USA. Only then will the world not only respect Israel, but it will also make it possible for Israel to live in peace in the region.

Israel will live in peace in the region the day when the anti-Israeli ideology you represent here would cease to exist, the ideology that declares Israel has no right to self defense and that it shouldn't be allowed to inspect ships that are destined to the Gaza Strip of weapons, and thus it shouldn't be allowed to prevent terrorism directed towards its civilians.

Clearly when you take to that blood libel of Israeli soldiers boarding a ship just to murder the poor peaceful civilians on board of it even after the UN has declared that self-defense was the reason behind the use of force by Israeli soldiers against the hostiles on board of that ship only exposes your true agenda.
 
It will come to the day Zion will just turn all who hate it to glass, and whos fault will that be? It wont matter will it.

If War is what will be then war it is, the rules are simple for those of you who have never fought one.

To the victor goes the spoils.
 
So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?
Good grief, calm down. So he threatens to never buys a KIA, I think you'll live.
 
I believe Turkey has every right to protect ships flying under its flag and protecting its citizens. That a sham investigation declared Israel's blockade legal is irrelevant. It is not legal regardless of what they say and, as such, Turkey is well within its rights to escort Turkish vessels carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.
 
I believe Turkey has every right to protect ships flying under its flag and protecting its citizens. That a sham investigation declared Israel's blockade legal is irrelevant. It is not legal regardless of what they say and, as such, Turkey is well within its rights to escort Turkish vessels carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.

Your words are irrelevant and carry neither basis nor meaning, the blockade is legal, Israel has every right to protect its civilians by inspecting Gaza-destined vessels of weapons.
Such Turkish move would thus have consequences in Turkey's status in the world, very serious consequences, which is why Turkey is not acting rationally here. Their PM has gone mad like Ahmedinejad, he harms his own nation by radicalizing issues further.
 
So you are saying that you are pro-pirate? That you hate the US forces and NATO forces hunting and defending ships off Somalia? How is this any different?

Yes the international community is some what accepting a blockade of Gaza but in no way endorsing it, but that does not justify in any way the illegal actions of the IDF in attacking ships in international waters. Had they waited to do so till they entered Israeli sovereign waters then it would not only be legal but also morally justified since I believe in the sovereign rights of nation states regardless how much I despise their politics.

I find it highly questionable that only certain nations are allowed to commit acts of war and get away with it, where as if most other nations did exactly the same then the world would be up in arms over the action. What Israel does within its borders, regardless of how morally reprehensible that maybe, is fully legal as long as the world accepts it and does not label it genocide or whatever excuse the world tends to use against "hostile nations".

However if Israel starts to strike outside its borders as it did against the Turkish ship, then yes I reserve the right to call their actions for what it is... out right piracy on the high seas. Not only did they murder people but they stole valuables (and still have not returned it all) from people in international waters and then took them hostage for a period of time ... that sir.. is piracy and no different than when Somalia pirates hijack a ship.

And add to that, Turkey is in its full right, like the US, Iran, China and any other nation on the planet (yes including Israel) to defend its ships and citizens against attack form hostile peoples, governments or gangs.

It is time for Israel to be accountable for its actions just like everyone else and stop hiding behind the war machine of the USA. Only then will the world not only respect Israel, but it will also make it possible for Israel to live in peace in the region.

Here's the thing Pete, about acts of war. If you're big enough, and bad enough....you can commit acts of war without get hurt. Anyone can commit an act of war.....like you could encourage Spain to fire upon the US Navy, but don't come crying when your ship gets blown into a million pieces because you decided to enter a gun fight with a baseball bat. The use of force is pretty simple, don't go looking for an asskicking if your ass is too small. That's the way of the world.

Now Israel doesn't need to hide behind the US "war machine" when it comes to military action. I think they've proven their ability to kick most anyone's ass that lives around them, so all this talk about hiding behind the US is hot air. You can file a complaint with the UN, but in the end it comes down to who has the biggest gun. If you attack Israel, and don't understand beforehand that Israel treats it as an attempt to ANNIHILATE Israel, then you are just plain ignorant. Only people from another planet couldn't know that.

These people bringing in weapons to Gaza or whatever, are being treated as though they are attempting arm people who want to ANNIHILATE Israel, so they are stupid if they think they're going to bring in a boatload of weapons to Gaza.
 
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While the UN report speaks of disproportionate force being used in the boarding, it acknowledges the legitimacy and legality of the naval blockade on the Gaza Strip and the legitimacy of the boarding of the vessel. It also acknowledges the fact that Israeli soldiers have reacted in self-defense to attacks from IHH members who were part of the Mavi Marmara crew.

It did not acknowledge any kind of piracy, and indeed there was no piracy involved in the act that was meant to inspect a ship destined to the Gaza Strip of weapons.
Since the convoy has declared its purpose to be to breach the blockade on the Gaza Strip the Israeli soldiers did not violate any law by boarding the vessel away from Israeli waters as the fact that their declared destination is the Gaza Strip's port is enough, as the San Remo manual declares.

Bla bla bla.. funny how you suddenly are quoting UN reports, when other UN reports were dismissed off hand as propaganda..... Not to mention you are not truthful as usual...

The report stated clearly

"Israel's decision to board the vessels with such substantial force at a great distance from the blockade zone and with no final warning immediately prior to the boarding was excessive and unreasonable,"

In other words.. doing what Israel did, where it did it was excessive and unreasonable. Very diplomatic speak but the intention is very clear.. Israel was in the wrong doing what it did where it did it and how it did it.

On top of that the report had been delayed several times in an attempt to make "peace" between Turkey and Israel, and the fact it was not given full access by Israel to documentation to come with a more full conclusion on several aspects of the report.

Yes, the report states that the blockade is legal as it is to prevent the influx of weapons into Gaza, and I fully support that in fact. Hope that does not shock you too much.

Your support of that act of war to be committed by Turkey points out the fact that you completely support and promote warmongering when it is directed towards a certain nation, or rather certain nations as I am sure it would have been the same was it the US we were speaking of. There's no point hiding it.

What act of war? Have Turkey or anyone else attacked IDF or threatened to attack IDF forces in Israeli sovereign territory? No, they have stated they will defend their ships against aggression.. which is fully their RIGHT to do so in international waters.

You have no backing to those claims as even the UN acknowledged the soldiers' use of force as a self-defense against attacks from the IHH members of the Mavi Marmara crew who attacked soldiers with lethal weapons. That's a blood libel motivated with pure hatred towards Israel coming from an immoral point of view.

Again, you misrepresent the findings. Have you even read the report? And why on earth are you escalating the tone of this thread by bringing "blood libel" into the picture?

For one.. the report correctly states that the soldiers met with some what organised resistance to the boarding. Now the report also states that the IDF gave no warning or attempted no non-violent methods in stooping the convoy.. and in fact broke its own rules of engagement... ups. It also states that the situation was very chaotic since the IDF used stun grenades and smoke when they attacked the ships...and are you seriously saying the people dont have the right to defend themselves against armed attackers now? How do you explain the multiple people being shot in the back, or shot multiple times? How do you explain the reports of live gun fire coming from the helicopters before any IDF troops were even aboard? There are many questions Israel have yet to answer fully... their lack of cooperation is a well known fact.

But the report finds serious problems with how the Isrealies conducted themselves... like shooting people in the back, multiple times and even in the head. Funny how you forget to mention that bit... lets take a small snip from the report

The Panel questions whether it was reasonable for the Israeli Navy to board the
vessels at the time and place that they did. There are several factors to be weighed in that
equation. The boarding commenced at approximately 4.30 a.m., before dawn had
broken.

The distance from the blockade zone was substantial—64 nautical miles.

There were several hours steaming before the blockade area would be reached. Then
there is the fact that the boarding attempt was made by surprise, without any immediate
prior warning.

The last radio warning had been transmitted at some point between
12.41 a.m. and 2.00 a.m.—at least two and a half hours prior to the boarding
commencing.

The vessels were never asked to stop or to permit a boarding party to
come on board. No efforts were made to fire warning shells or blanks in an effort to
change the conduct of the captains. While it must have been clear to the flotilla captains
that the Israeli Navy had been shadowing them for some time, nothing was
communicated about the immediate intentions of the IDF to board the vessels by force.

Just one of the many comments on how the IDF conducted it self before and during the attack. And yes for the record the report also states the actions (or supposed actions) of some of the passengers and the precautions taken beforehand on the ship. But to be brutally frank, the report does not comment on such things in detail and that is a problem. Is it reasonable for people to prepare themselves for casualties when the IDF is involved in actions? Considering the IDF history of the last 20 years... yes very reasonable... in fact it would be near criminal not to prepare for casualties when the IDF is involved. Yes that is a personal opinion, but again.. considering the history of actions by the IDF and the casualties involved almost every time... it is not an unreasonable opinion.

In this case Turkey has no right to stop Israel from fulfilling its right to self-defense by inspecting a ship destined to a territory from which terror attacks are being constantly launched at Israeli civilians. Israel has every right to inspect those ships. As such was Turkey to attack Israel over inspecting a ship as you promote here it will be a declaration of war where Turkey is the aggressor and Israel the defender.

Turkey has EVERY right to defend its citizens and ship in international waters... if Israel attacks said ships in international waters, then yes Turkey is fully justified in defending those ships. Now when the ships are in Israeli waters, then I agree, Turkey better keep their noses out or suffer the consequences. Are you seriously saying that the IDF has every right to attack any boat anywhere in the world that says it will or might break the blockade of Gaza... even ships in US harbours or ships carrying the American flag? Are you seriously saying that only Israel and the USA have a right to defend its citizens and ships in international waters?

Israel will live in peace in the region the day when the anti-Israeli ideology you represent here would cease to exist, the ideology that declares Israel has no right to self defense and that it shouldn't be allowed to inspect ships that are destined to the Gaza Strip of weapons, and thus it shouldn't be allowed to prevent terrorism directed towards its civilians.

Clearly when you take to that blood libel of Israeli soldiers boarding a ship just to murder the poor peaceful civilians on board of it even after the UN has declared that self-defense was the reason behind the use of force by Israeli soldiers against the hostiles on board of that ship only exposes your true agenda.

..... tsk.
 
These people bringing in weapons to Gaza or whatever, are being treated as though they are attempting arm people who want to ANNIHILATE Israel, so they are stupid if they think they're going to bring in a boatload of weapons to Gaza.

The UN report clearly states... there were no weapons.
 
Your words are irrelevant and carry neither basis nor meaning, the blockade is legal, Israel has every right to protect its civilians by inspecting Gaza-destined vessels of weapons.
Such Turkish move would thus have consequences in Turkey's status in the world, very serious consequences, which is why Turkey is not acting rationally here. Their PM has gone mad like Ahmedinejad, he harms his own nation by radicalizing issues further.

I'm not sure he is acting irrationally. I think there is a perception of slow decline of US power, and many states are moving away from a midset in which there is a uni-polar geopolitical landscape towards one where regional powers vie for regional interests. And Turkey knows it can play the Arabs by appealing to the same base ... dysfunction (to put it mildly) within the Arab world that has allowed them to be manipulated and controlled by foreign powers and dictators for centuries. In that, both Turkey and Iran are acting rather rationally, though part of that involves addopting an irrational posture. They are both vying for a position where they can add the Arab world into their zone of control, for the purposes of projecting power elsewhere.

And I think the naval component is definitely one aspect of their aims, with Iran increasing military travel into the area and Turkish aims to project power to claim natural resources. Of course, they also need to maintain their illegal occupation of Cyprus ajnd counteract those who are rightfully exercizing sovereignty there.
 
Three row boats, 2 canoes and a 75hp dinghy are going to provide protection for this fleet? That ought to be interesting.

Seriously... Do you think that ANYTHING short of US Warships is going to actually keep the Israeli's from doing whatever they please to this bunch of terrorist sympathizers?
 
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