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Amazon Echo listens in

noonereal said:
Very cool!

Strictly fact driven responses.
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You are allowed to admit that you agree with Muhammad it is "wise" to stone homosexuals and adulterous women to death because doing so to homosexuals and women is "living well" as a "fact" according to you in your message. That is what you meant in your message, isn't it?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Not Apple devices. Every Siri conversation is encrypted, and none are stored. Only summaries of user habits and net queries are sent back to the mothership, for the improvement of underlying AI.

Apple issued a white paper explaining their process. It is the reason why the Secret Service, which initially objected to the use of the iPhone, now receive them as standard issue. It is the same reason why hospitals are issuing iPhones to their staffs during working hours for medical record keeping.

Who knows, Pete, one day you might know what you are talking about? I won't hold my breath.
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That is based on trust....in a company that is more and more untrustworthy. Apple stores an insane amount of data for no reason and thier software is notoriously bad on security. They let a serious security hole in Safari be unpatched for 2 years and only issued a patch when the media found out that Google and others had been exploiting the security hole. And then there was the multi year SSL bug that took ages to patch once it was announced by tech nerds. They announced it because Apple was ignoring them.

Giving Apple a pass on Siri cause they say they ain't doing anything is stupid... Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Samsung and more all say the same thing and most people don't trust them...

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OldFatGuy said:
Siri Mute shuts down Siri, completely. Not activating the Siri app prevents all Siri interactions. You lie, again.
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So does mute on all devices.. trust that on your own peril.

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PeteEU said:
That is based on trust
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Read that white paper before opening your big mouth with lies. You will be truly shocked by who the author was. Safari is Siri. Safari is just a shell, and Apple doesn't control the underpinnings. That changes next year.
 
PeteEU said:
So does mute on all devices.. trust that on your own peril.
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No. Mute does not work the same on all devices or all platforms. Your paranoid ignorance is bliss. :lamo
 
PeteEU said:
So does mute on all devices.. trust that on your own peril.
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No. Mute does not work the same on all devices or all platforms. Your paranoid ignorance is bliss. :lamo
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have an Alexa but I figure I am good. I only use it for playing music, setting timers, finding places to dispose of dead bodies and checking the weather forecast.

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hehe, I got an echo spot, have it on our nightstand so the folks at Amazon can watch.
 
AlphaOmega said:
~ Got a smart TV?
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Nope. I agree stuff is being recorded all the time however I highly doubt there is enough storage in all the world to record all the conversations in just one European city for more than one day.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Nope. I agree stuff is being recorded all the time however I highly doubt there is enough storage in all the world to record all the conversations in just one European city for more than one day.
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I was talking about buying a nail gun at work...the only device near me during that conversation was my cell phone. Facebook started showimg me advertisements for nail guns despite me never searching for them on any device. I only spoke if it once at work.. I have all electronic assistants disabled. They listen for keywords and record them easily. I've seen the databases they use for "big data". They are most impressive to say the least especially how they connect you to your friends...that's why everyone wants access to your contacts and photos.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Apologies if this subject has come up already in the last few days - there are old Amazon Alexa threads but I don't want to resurrect an old thread.

Anyhow - anyone who has an Alexa seen this report?



Puts a whole new light on this. Is this something other Alexa or Smart Speaker owners have been aware of?

Apparently common with Google Home Hub and Apple Siri too.
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AlphaOmega said:
I was talking about buying a nail gun at work...the only device near me during that conversation was my cell phone. Facebook started showimg me advertisements for nail guns despite me never searching for them on any device. I only spoke if it once at work.. I have all electronic assistants disabled. They listen for keywords and record them easily. I've seen the databases they use for "big data". They are most impressive to say the least especially how they connect you to your friends...that's why everyone wants access to your contacts and photos.
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You may have had all your devices muted, but how about those you were speaking with?

Some hospitals thought their portable EKG monitoring machines had been hacked. The offending technology was in the wireless routers used by the EKG monitoring units, the proximity source ids (room and bed number assignments), and transferred the data to a pharma company selling medications to the hospital. Nifty little trick. Sounds like an invasion of privacy and all that, yet eased the discomfit of some patients and may have saved some lives. The pharma company was actually displaying tech developed with the company that made the software for the routers for AI enhancement of medical therapies, and fully disclosed to the hospitals with pride in their accomplishment six months into use of the routers. Now, those routers and wireless EKG monitors are used many cardiac ICUs. The resulting therapies welcomed by the heart health teams.

I've read that server farm capacity (the cloud) is growing exponentially beyond current demand, however, that future demand expected because of connected devices and data mining will require a many thousand fold increase within a decade, and must be accompanied by maturing AI for the data analysis and synthesis into usable values.

Your personal devices may or may not be the culprits. We live in a world of increasing connected devices, data mining and analysis beyond the capabilities of humans to use without AI. Your nail gun conversation could have been collected by the car or truck parked a block or two away. Strides with voice print technology make those new traffic lights data collectors of personal conversations, and forget about those speed and red light cameras? How small and relatively inexpensive is the chipset and camera in your cell phone? Why do you believe they are only deployed in cell phones?

I have a new pacemaker. It wirelessly passes data to a small device in my bedroom which in turn sends the collected data to the hospital team which interprets that data for my benefit. The data transfer from the device is sent via the local cell network. Recently an alert was issued by the manufacturer of the pacemaker that the connectivity of the pacemaker made it vulnerable to hacking, but they would be updating the software for security protocols within six months or so. There have been no reports of pacemakers being hacked, yet. As the former owner of a security business, I have no faith in those security protocols. Isn't life exciting?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Read that white paper before opening your big mouth with lies. You will be truly shocked by who the author was. Safari is Siri. Safari is just a shell, and Apple doesn't control the underpinnings. That changes next year.
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Safari is a browser... Siri is a personal assistant. Two different things.

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PeteEU said:
Safari is a browser... Siri is a personal assistant. Two different things.
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The Safari on the iPhone is built on Siri and part of the graphic old underpinnings for the MacOs Safari. Siri is not a PA. It is an AI verbal interface with a db interpreter. The coming versions of Safari and Siri for all devices will be further integrated, with new a new graphic shell for Safari, using the same expanded db interpreter inclusive of graphic recognitions as part of the new version of Siri. The legacy underpinnings of Safari will be gone. Both may look the same to the user, but the move toward microcoding for addressing machine language means an exponential increase in both speed and power. This also means both can function internally to a device, no longer necessitating a net connection, meaning the combined code can function as a base for apps built on Swift, increasing versatility of app development. Why reinvent the wheel? Graphic shells will matter more than code for accessing functionality, with containers from libraries for predefined functions attached to graphics in series. This is taking interpreted languages to the extreme for quick and easy development. For developers seeking previously unavailable complex functions, they need only write once to new containers, adding to the libraries, which will also be capable of locks for specific developer use. Hereon, scalability takes on a whole new meaning. Activated interfacing with Apple's iCloud storage creates inestimable power. For the health care industry alone, this is revolutionary. As a basis for other human endeavors, only the imagination of mankind becomes the limiting factor, only to be expanded by AI.

You're now in the 21st century. AI is producing code. Microcoding changes the field of play completely. All your limiting preconceptions are history. Art follows life, life follows art.

Here's a little kicker for you. Researchers are already building prosthetic eyes based on Siri microcode, built to interface directly with the human brain. This is the holy grail for all prosthetics.
 
OldFatGuy said:
The Safari on the iPhone is built on Siri and part of the graphic old underpinnings for the MacOs Safari. Siri is not a PA. It is an AI verbal interface with a db interpreter. The coming versions of Safari and Siri for all devices will be further integrated, with new a new graphic shell for Safari, using the same expanded db interpreter inclusive of graphic recognitions as part of the new version of Siri. The legacy underpinnings of Safari will be gone. Both may look the same to the user, but the move toward microcoding for addressing machine language means an exponential increase in both speed and power. This also means both can function internally to a device, no longer necessitating a net connection, meaning the combined code can function as a base for apps built on Swift, increasing versatility of app development. Why reinvent the wheel? Graphic shells will matter more than code for accessing functionality, with containers from libraries for predefined functions attached to graphics in series. This is taking interpreted languages to the extreme for quick and easy development. For developers seeking previously unavailable complex functions, they need only write once to new containers, adding to the libraries, which will also be capable of locks for specific developer use. Hereon, scalability takes on a whole new meaning. Activated interfacing with Apple's iCloud storage creates inestimable power. For the health care industry alone, this is revolutionary. As a basis for other human endeavors, only the imagination of mankind becomes the limiting factor, only to be expanded by AI.

You're now in the 21st century. AI is producing code. Microcoding changes the field of play completely. All your limiting preconceptions are history. Art follows life, life follows art.

Here's a little kicker for you. Researchers are already building prosthetic eyes based on Siri microcode, built to interface directly with the human brain. This is the holy grail for all prosthetics.
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I am waiting for that upgrade. Once you can connect and perfect eyesight to the brain then Katy bar the door because you can connect all sorts of other interfaces at that point. Human evolution will explode exponentially.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I am waiting for that upgrade. Once you can connect and perfect eyesight to the brain then Katy bar the door because you can connect all sorts of other interfaces at that point. Human evolution will explode exponentially.
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We're are all going to be cyborgs.
 
OldFatGuy said:
You may have had all your devices muted, but how about those you were speaking with?

Some hospitals thought their portable EKG monitoring machines had been hacked. The offending technology was in the wireless routers used by the EKG monitoring units, the proximity source ids (room and bed number assignments), and transferred the data to a pharma company selling medications to the hospital. Nifty little trick. Sounds like an invasion of privacy and all that, yet eased the discomfit of some patients and may have saved some lives. The pharma company was actually displaying tech developed with the company that made the software for the routers for AI enhancement of medical therapies, and fully disclosed to the hospitals with pride in their accomplishment six months into use of the routers. Now, those routers and wireless EKG monitors are used many cardiac ICUs. The resulting therapies welcomed by the heart health teams.

I've read that server farm capacity (the cloud) is growing exponentially beyond current demand, however, that future demand expected because of connected devices and data mining will require a many thousand fold increase within a decade, and must be accompanied by maturing AI for the data analysis and synthesis into usable values.

Your personal devices may or may not be the culprits. We live in a world of increasing connected devices, data mining and analysis beyond the capabilities of humans to use without AI. Your nail gun conversation could have been collected by the car or truck parked a block or two away. Strides with voice print technology make those new traffic lights data collectors of personal conversations, and forget about those speed and red light cameras? How small and relatively inexpensive is the chipset and camera in your cell phone? Why do you believe they are only deployed in cell phones?

I have a new pacemaker. It wirelessly passes data to a small device in my bedroom which in turn sends the collected data to the hospital team which interprets that data for my benefit. The data transfer from the device is sent via the local cell network. Recently an alert was issued by the manufacturer of the pacemaker that the connectivity of the pacemaker made it vulnerable to hacking, but they would be updating the software for security protocols within six months or so. There have been no reports of pacemakers being hacked, yet. As the former owner of a security business, I have no faith in those security protocols. Isn't life exciting?
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Oh I know they are tracking us everywhere. Your required tps sensors in your cars each have a serial number which can track everywhere your tires (aka you) have been. I wonder what information this site collects on us besides everything.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Oh I know they are tracking us everywhere. Your required tps sensors in your cars each have a serial number which can track everywhere your tires (aka you) have been. I wonder what information this site collects on us besides everything.
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Fortunately for me, I find being paranoid about my personal data of no value. I'd also be far more impressed with tps sensors if they could record my travels, but they don't have the capacity to measure more than throttle air intake. On the other hand, the digital entertainment center in my car does that, and more. However, the personally restored and hot rodded '39 Willys Coupe I drive when at my upstate home has neither.

Then again, who has the time or inclination to be concerned with the personal data of a 70 year old man? Amazon may want to determine my online buying habits, but those habits are not exactly trend setting for anyone else who doesn't wear compression stockings. And I buy lingerie for my wife at a local store, which of course, no one else gets to enjoy. I pay cash for everything in live stores, with exception of my pharmacy, and then again who cares about my medications other than my doctors and insurers? Data they already have.

That's the inherent problems with data collection. Mining and using it, and accounting for information just not available electronically or (better termed) digitally. I haven't even received a parking ticket during the last 20 years or so, therefore I don't appear in any policing records. And despite all fears to the contrary by nutcases, we don't live in a fascist state whereby I need worry jackboots will enter my bedroom some starry night to arrest me for no discernible reasons like my receding hairline and tastes for cheap table wines.

I am mocking your fears, and truthfully I don't care about data collection and mining. It will be for the future to determine the value of both, and actions based on both to make any such determinations. My wife already nags me if I eat too much of the "wrong" foods, and not enough of the "right" foods for digital data collection about the same to matter to me.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Apologies if this subject has come up already in the last few days - there are old Amazon Alexa threads but I don't want to resurrect an old thread.

Anyhow - anyone who has an Alexa seen this report?



Puts a whole new light on this. Is this something other Alexa or Smart Speaker owners have been aware of?

Apparently common with Google Home Hub and Apple Siri too.
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I'm not sure what an Alexa is for.
 
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