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Anyone into archery?

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Out of nowhere I got an itch to try my hand at archery. I guess I had thought about it before but we finally have a backyard suited for safely setting up a small archery range. So I went and got the basic supplies and have been having a blast.

Because I am only interested in getting good at target shooting I have decided to practice with a recurve bow with no sights. I understand that compound bows are superior for hunting because they are more powerful and targeting is easier. And if I were planning to hunt for food or survive the zombie apocalypse I would go with a compound.

But I actually don’t know what I am doing. I’m watching a bunch of videos learning proper form. I learned the hard way that using the tip of the arrow as a sight is NOT a good idea.

Anyone else into archery? Any experienced archers have any advice for a newb?
 
Out of nowhere I got an itch to try my hand at archery. I guess I had thought about it before but we finally have a backyard suited for safely setting up a small archery range. So I went and got the basic supplies and have been having a blast.

Because I am only interested in getting good at target shooting I have decided to practice with a recurve bow with no sights. I understand that compound bows are superior for hunting because they are more powerful and targeting is easier. And if I were planning to hunt for food or survive the zombie apocalypse I would go with a compound.

But I actually don’t know what I am doing. I’m watching a bunch of videos learning proper form. I learned the hard way that using the tip of the arrow as a sight is NOT a good idea.

Anyone else into archery? Any experienced archers have any advice for a newb?

Honestly, one of my mother's cousin Alpi owned Brooklyn Sports in Brooklyn Heights during the late 1950's, early 60's. He was an avid hunter, both with rifles and bows. He tried to teach me to use a bow when I was about ten. Offered me a 30lb pull bow and told me I could keep it if I could string it. Took two years to build the strength. Then we both learned, it was safer for everyone in front of me rather than behind me. That ended my archery training. He'd hunt deer with an 80lb pull double recurve bull horn and black locust bow he crafted himself. These days his grandson uses it. Alpi, now in his 90's, hunts at the local markets of upper Manhattan, particularly enjoying Dean & DeLucca and Ottomanelli Bros.

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I'm getting real good with a nerf gun. Might put a nerf bow on my gift registry.
 
I want to get back into archery.

We had a pretty big yard from 2nd-8th grade, and my dad had an old fiberglass bow. Not one of the fiddling things with all the sights and pullies and ....whatever the ****. A bow, a string, and a handle in the middle of the bow. Might've been 40 pound draw. Too tough for me to use at first but I practiced, started with weights, etc.




Advice?

Practice a lot. Don't let your pull arm get too close to the string and wear an armguard either way. Only use just enough of your fingers around the arrow. Know that aiming a bow isn't like aiming a gun (well, I suppose unless there's some kind of fancy sighting apparatus, which is cheating imo). Don't pick a bow beyond your reasonable draw strength. (ie, do NOT try to get a true English longbow replica. 120-200lbs draw is a bit ​much.....).

Just.....shoot lots and lots of arrows.
 
My daughter did some in camp and bragged about how fun it was, so ole dad took her to the local range.
I had a blast. I tried to be consistent in every shot, was following all the rules they told us at the beginning, I was imagining picking it up as a new hobby, sharing some bonding time, getting some professional lessons, graduating to our own equipment instead of just the "available for training" ones...

After 20 minutes she was bored :(

The facility was kind of nice, we were able to shoot quite a lot in the hour we had (well, I did for 30 minutes...made her stay at least halfway through).
The only advice I was able to glean from it was "If you're consistently shooting to the left, adjust your aim a little to the right". I bet that's gonna turn you into a pro :p

I lamented for a moment that I no longer lived in the country where if I wanted to shoot I'd just walk outside the back door. Only for a moment though.

Something about the nock, draw, release that's cathartic. I always feel a little twinge though of "your'e using told tech", thinking I should be using a crossbow, or just be at the firing range. I don't get that same enjoyment at a firing range though, the gun does most of the work.
 
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Recurve takes the most skill because the bow never "sets" and you have to hold full pull weight.

We had a target range (30 feet) for a while and within 6 months would hit a bulls eye nearly 100% of the time, though that was with a compound bow and used a trigger.

First, you won't be very good until you build up the specific muscles you use for archery. Once done, the rule is simple. Consistency. You do exactly the same thing every time. Once you found your bulls eye, then perfectly repeat what you did. Same bow. Same arrows - all identical.

Suggestion? Learn a compound bow first - then a recurve. Get the feel and muscles for it first, plus with the sight on the compound you'll develop your all-important stance and consistency. It is 100% about doing EXACTLY the same thing - stance, pull, release - every time. Precisely. There are no shortcuts.
 
A recurve or straight bow seems "correct" in a natural way, but they are very difficult to develop a true skill for. A compound bow with a trigger (for target shooting) once you develop the muscles for it (takes about a month or so) is very pleasant once you get the hang of it.

Comment, for target shooting, you do NOT want one of those 150+ pound short hunting bows. You want as LONG a bow as you can find and 75 lbs is plenty. I'd suggest not going over 100 lbs. With a "sight" you only have 1 aiming point - not 2 like on a firearm. The other "point" actually is your stance. IF you do the IDENTICAL stance and the identical shooting technique each time, YOU are the rear sight so to speak. Then you just have your 1 point sight right on the mark. Of course, with target shooting or in a target range you are always shooting the exact same distance. If all your arrows are identical, once you have your stance down, you can it an area the size of a silver dollar virtually every time. Over and over. I can be quite relaxing.

When I was doing it, I was using a quite old bow specifically because I wanted the longest arms with the smoothest rollers possible, which is quite different from a hunting bow. Of course, you CAN get into super big bucks throwing well over $1000 into your set up - or much more even. But that isn't necessary. Check out pawn shops or look on ebay. All those extras add up QUICK if you buy everything NEW. However, some of the beautiful old bows with the wood centers are worn out. Spending $1500 on a setup will NOT make you a better shot, but junk is junk.

When I really started to like bow shooting was when I started using a "trigger." I don't care for the ones you strap onto your wrist and prefer finger held (3 finger if you can find it, most are 2 finger hold) - though for serious shooters wrist strap triggers are popular. I just don't want to mess with the strap. If you go with a trigger, be careful at first because now and then you'll just let one fly! Like a firearm, never point a drawn bow anywhere in the direction of anyone and, of course, for target shooting you're not using razor hunting arrow tips.

The super thin graphite arrows are, of course, the best. But the older and less expensive standard diameter aluminum arrows work just fine - and who knows, you might get your first "Robin Hood" - and that takes those larger diameter hollow aluminum arrows to pull of. A arrow perfectly in the middle of the rear of another. If you get REALLY good, you actually start trying to avoid tearing up your arrows that way.

While developing super precision in target shooting will not 100% work for hunting or shooting at various ranges, you'll be very, very close. If you do set up and outdoor range, put up some back (like a 4x8 sheet plywood) so you don't have to run down your misses. That becomes a drag very quickly. But, then, you can start at 10 yards until you start to feel comfortable. Again, for target shooting you do not need to blunt power of a hard pull high pound bow. Bow fishing can be a blast but be sure to check your local and state laws on that.
 
One of my kid's won a local 1st place gold medal in archery. The person running it had her own kid in it and while the rules said you can bring your own bow, including compound bows, that person changed the rules so that ever archer had to use identical straight bows provided, which only her kid had practiced with so it wasn't a fair contest at all. The bows were weak, too weak, because some of the kids arms were too short - so their arrows would just bounce off the target. Her kid was HUGE - so no problemn for him.

Some of the kids were crying (literally) over it, but it made my kid ANGRY, who had shot on our home range probably 100,000 times or more. Good enough in the first round to make eliminations - and by then had figured how to sight off the arrow tip. The same rule - your stance is always 100% the same, so once you know where the mark is on the front sight (sight or arrow point) you can bring them home.

Ended up being a sudden death shoot-off with the other kid. The other kid did 4 bullseyes and 1 just out. My kid had 4 bulls eyes, but for the last shot I could see insecurity with the drawing of the bow. I shouted out "NO! DO IT AGAIN!" A puzzled look, then a very angry look, completely broke form and rapidly pulled the string back as far as possible with an odd stretched pull for maximum power (that works on a straight bow, not a compound) - and let it fly! A crazy angry power shot. Couldn't see the arrow hit. All the kids rushed the target and then let out a cheer - the arrow dead center bulls eye buried to the "feathers." The cheater judge stormed off with her kid to the other kids booing!

I asked why breaking form as you never do that in archery. Answer from my kid? "I made me really angry making the other kids cry by cheating like that." Ah, JUSTICE! Not just to win, but to be the other kids' champion! I was quite the proud dad that day!

One of those mini 15 minutes of fame thing. Every kid needs those.
 
Tried it once. It's really hard to aim. The bow that I tried was heavy. I think I lacked the muscles for it. Lol.
 
Out of nowhere I got an itch to try my hand at archery. I guess I had thought about it before but we finally have a backyard suited for safely setting up a small archery range. So I went and got the basic supplies and have been having a blast.

Because I am only interested in getting good at target shooting I have decided to practice with a recurve bow with no sights. I understand that compound bows are superior for hunting because they are more powerful and targeting is easier. And if I were planning to hunt for food or survive the zombie apocalypse I would go with a compound.

But I actually don’t know what I am doing. I’m watching a bunch of videos learning proper form. I learned the hard way that using the tip of the arrow as a sight is NOT a good idea.

Anyone else into archery? Any experienced archers have any advice for a newb?

There has been a debate for years over gap shooting vs. instinctive shooting. Gap shooting:

"One of the most efficient shooting methods (without installing a sight) is called Gap Shooting. This style uses the point of the arrow, as if it was a sight, and adjusting for different ranges. Most gap shooters start by learning the “point on distance.” The point on refers to finding the distance where the arrow point is on the intended target and after releasing, the arrow hits the target at the intended spot.

From there, the archer moves to different distances to learn how much lower (or how much higher) to place the point of the arrow on the target and still hit it. Gap shooters can be extremely accurate, but it doesn’t lend itself to bowhunting. It’s an unnatural feel to hold so much lower than the target, which is a live animal in a hunting situation. It takes a longer thought process when the moment of truth is suddenly in front of you."

"Instinctive Shooting:
Many of the purists in traditional archery feel the only true form of shooting is instinctive shooting. Instinctive shooting is the most natural of all shooting techniques. In essence, you simply look where you want to shoot and shoot where you are looking. Unfortunately, it can be the hardest of the shooting methods to learn, yet the most rewarding to the bowhunter.

The best way for me to describe it is to imagine throwing a baseball. Most likely the first time you picked up a baseball and tried to throw it you were inaccurate because you hadn’t learned the basic techniques. Yet in a few years, it becomes second nature after learning the mechanics.

Instinctive shooting is similar, it takes a lot of practice, but once learned, it becomes a deadly method. Shooting your bow over and over, learning the arc of the arrow at varied distances will become second nature. After a while, you can visualize the shot in your mind. Just like playing shortstop in a baseball game. The player catches the ball and throws to first base, never thinking about how hard they are throwing, the arc of the ball, or the distance. It just becomes a learned process where the mind can subconsciously determine the arc of the arrow, the distance, and how to hold in relation to the target.

Once learned the bowhunter can take advantage by never thinking about the distance of the shot and instead focusing on where he wants to place the arrow. The disadvantage is that it is nearly impossible to become as accurate as some of the other methods. Become the Arrow book by Byron Ferguson is a great source of information on the subject of Instinctive Shooting."

https://www.3riversarchery.com/blog/basic-shooting-methods-traditional-archery/

I use both of these methods, but whatever method you choose, practice, practice, practice. Don't practice when you are tired, you'll only practice mistakes. Also, don't shoot st the same distance all the time. After 2-3 years of practicing at varying distances, I was able to hit birds in flight (or beer cans if my brother was throwing them) deer sized game at 60 yards (with a 70 lb longbow) and things like snapping turtles at 20 yards. But then, I was a hunter, although you never know when the zombie apocalypse will happen.
 
Out of nowhere I got an itch to try my hand at archery. I guess I had thought about it before but we finally have a backyard suited for safely setting up a small archery range. So I went and got the basic supplies and have been having a blast.

Because I am only interested in getting good at target shooting I have decided to practice with a recurve bow with no sights. I understand that compound bows are superior for hunting because they are more powerful and targeting is easier. And if I were planning to hunt for food or survive the zombie apocalypse I would go with a compound.

But I actually don’t know what I am doing. I’m watching a bunch of videos learning proper form. I learned the hard way that using the tip of the arrow as a sight is NOT a good idea.

Anyone else into archery? Any experienced archers have any advice for a newb?

Oh, and by the way, when the zombie apocalypse comes, if you're going to use a compound you'd better make damn sure you have time to nock up and draw before the zombies get you.

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