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Aurora police mistakenly think SUV is stolen motorcycle

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AURORA — Aurora police apologized after a group of Black girls were detained and at least two handcuffed during a weekend investigation of a stolen car. Officers later determined that the vehicle they were seeking had the same license plate number but was from out of state. A video taken Sunday by a bystander shows the children, ranging in age from 6 to 17 years old, in a parking lot in Aurora, where there have recently been protests over the death of a 23-year-old Black man, Elijah McClain, who was stopped by police last year, KUSA-TV reported. The video shows the 17-year-old and 12-year-old lying on their stomachs with their hands cuffed behind their backs and a 14-year-old girl lying next to the 6-year-old, also on their stomachs, in a parking lot next to the car. They can be heard crying and screaming as officers stand with their back to the camera. A woman on the other side of the car is shown being led away in handcuffs. An officer eventually helps the handcuffed 17-year-old and 12-year-old sit up but leaves them sitting with their hands behind their backs.


Police then determined they had stopped the wrong car. It had Colorado license plates but a motorcycle with the same license plate number from Montana was the vehicle that had been reported as stolen on Sunday. . . . Jennifer Wurtz, who shot the video, said on camera that the police drew guns as they initially approached the car. After she told the officers that the children were scared and asked to be able to speak to them, she was told to back up 25 feet because she was interfering in their investigation.


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Now before anyone latches onto this to defend them -
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[FONT=&quot]"Part of the reason for the mixup may have been that the car was reported as stolen earlier in the year, police said[/FONT][FONT=&quot]" - let me reiterate. They pulled it over because the car had the same license plate number as a motorcycle that was recently reported stolen, but the motorcycle plate was from another state. The "may have" quote is pure speculative bull. What we have here is a family put through a nightmare because nobody bothered to check that the plate was from the right state, and perhaps was not even paying enough attention to have suspected that a plate was swapped from stolen MC to SUV.

I'm also puzzled for a few other reasons:

- At least as I can recall seeing, motorcycle plates are different than other vehicles, having fewer digits. But I'm not sure if that's every state.

- It would be easy to have a national database of plate numbers such that none are duplicated. There are 6 'digits' on modern MA plates. Each 'digit' can be a letter of the alphabet or a number 0-9. Meaning there are 36 possibilities total for each 'digit', meaning 36^9 combinations. That's 2 billion. There are 320 million residents in the states, and about 273ish million registered vehicles. • Number of cars in U.S. | Statista So first of all, this shouldn't even be a thing. Every state should have six digit plates, and none should be duplicated. We'll be good for quite a long time.

But really, you're looking for a stolen motorcycle from one state, and you pull a car/SUV without checking the plate's origin? (And assuming they stole the bike, swapped plates with a car/SUV, and drove around as a happy family of idiots?)
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Thank the God that I do not believe in that nobody got killed over this.

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Automobile license plates are usually 12 inches wide.

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Come on guys. A little common sense here.
 
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Police then determined they had stopped the wrong car. It had Colorado license plates but a motorcycle with the same license plate number from Montana was the vehicle that had been reported as stolen on Sunday. . . . Jennifer Wurtz, who shot the video, said on camera that the police drew guns as they initially approached the car. After she told the officers that the children were scared and asked to be able to speak to them, she was told to back up 25 feet because she was interfering in their investigation.


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Now before anyone latches onto this to defend them -
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[FONT="][FONT=arial][SIZE=2]"Part of the reason for the mixup may have been that the car was reported as stolen earlier in the year, police said[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][I][FONT="]" - let me reiterate. They pulled it over because the car had the same license plate number as a motorcycle that was recently reported stolen, but the motorcycle plate was from another state. The "may have" quote is pure speculative bull. What we have here is a family put through a nightmare because nobody bothered to check that the plate was from the right state, and perhaps was not even paying enough attention to have suspected that a plate was swapped from stolen MC to SUV.

I'm also puzzled for a few other reasons:

- At least as I can recall seeing, motorcycle plates are different than other vehicles, having fewer digits. But I'm not sure if that's every state.

- It would be easy to have a national database of plate numbers such that none are duplicated. There are 6 'digits' on modern MA plates. Each 'digit' can be a letter of the alphabet or a number 0-9. Meaning there are 36 possibilities total for each 'digit', meaning 36^9 combinations. That's 2 billion. There are 320 million residents in the states, and about 273ish million registered vehicles. • Number of cars in U.S. | Statista So first of all, this shouldn't even be a thing. Every state should have six digit plates, and none should be duplicated. We'll be good for quite a long time.

But really, you're looking for a stolen motorcycle from one state, and you pull a car/SUV without checking the plate's origin? (And assuming they stole the bike, swapped plates with a car/SUV, and drove around as a happy family of idiots?)
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Thank the God that I do not believe in that nobody got killed over this.

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I am thankful that nobody was murdered by cops in this incident. The stopping of the vehicle can be forgiven, but the treatment of that mother and those young children cannot. This is an ongoing racial disparity by cops in America, if that had been a white family in that vehicle, you can believe that no way in hell would those young children be laying on their stomachs crying in fright on the hot tar pavement. This crap has got to stop.....Black Lives Matter! These are Americans, regardless of their skin color!

There is a new police chief which may be key to making progress, at least in Aurora, Colorado.



 
But we should definitely defund the police. Who needs the best and the brightest, when we can get by paying for Mcdonald's assistant manager material?
 
Aurora PD is the same police department that killed that boy, Elijah McClain.

And they're the same PD that made a video mocking how they killed McClain.

And they're the same PD that roughed up woman and stomped on her head in a hospital parking lot because they didn't like the way she dropped her keys.

And....hopefully the new police chief can make real changes in the Aurora PD instead of just apologies.
 
But we should definitely defund the police. Who needs the best and the brightest, when we can get by paying for Mcdonald's assistant manager material?

Some police departments are over extended and could use a little defunding...and that money could be put to better use that would serve the community better.
 
Saw this on the news and thought WTF. You are looking for a Motorcycle, and you pull over a black SUV (the plates are even different), then put a family, including children, down on the road, good grief some of our LEOs are just idiots. They would not want me to be their sergeant when they returned to the station, there would have been hell to pay.
 
You gotta know that decent cops around the country are rolling their eyes or are mortified at what those idiots did. But as Trump said, cops shouldn’t be so gentle.
 
You gotta know that decent cops around the country are rolling their eyes or are mortified at what those idiots did. But as Trump said, cops shouldn’t be so gentle.

Idiots like these cast a grey cloud over the entire police force, and there are way too many of them out there wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm....they need to be eliminated for good so the decent cops can do what they are paid for, protect and serve the public.
 
Idiots like these cast a grey cloud over the entire police force, and there are way too many of them out there wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm....they need to be eliminated for good so the decent cops can do what they are paid for, protect and serve the public.

I've noticed most police cars no longer have that slogan on them.
 
Aurora PD is the same police department that killed that boy, Elijah McClain.

And they're the same PD that made a video mocking how they killed McClain.

And they're the same PD that roughed up woman and stomped on her head in a hospital parking lot because they didn't like the way she dropped her keys.

And....hopefully the new police chief can make real changes in the Aurora PD instead of just apologies.

Yeah, I hope the new police chief will take out the trash and get rid of these scumbags.



 
Idiots like these cast a grey cloud over the entire police force, and there are way too many of them out there wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm....they need to be eliminated for good so the decent cops can do what they are paid for, protect and serve the public.

My ex father-in-law was a captain in a police force and an instructor at the academy. He would be furious at cops who engaged in unnecessary dangerous chases and did other dumb things. Fortunately, this wasn’t most cops by any means, but considering the power and deference we grant them, it remains troubling.
 
Aurora police mistakenly think SUV is stolen motorcycle from another state.

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"It is better that ten innocent suffer than that one guilty persons escape."



Land of the free ! :roll:
 
Yeah, I hope the new police chief will take out the trash and get rid of these scumbags.





Heartbreaking. If it weren't for protests, deaths like Elijah's would never get investigated...and that's just wrong.
 
The police in Aurora seem pretty darn stupid.
 
Heartbreaking. If it weren't for protests, deaths like Elijah's would never get investigated...and that's just wrong.

I agree completely, it is heartbreaking and these victims who have senselessly lost their lives by police in America should have their murders investigated and their full stories told to the public. Otherwise, it's just another blip on the news, oh, some other black guy got killed by a cop again, pass me the salt. Many people like Trumpies would just assume he deserved it because he was black and the cops can do no wrong.

I hope as time goes by, there will be more responsible people in charge of law enforcement and these murders will start to disappear. Looking forward to the day when a protest against the modern day lynchings of African Americans in this country will be a rare occurrence.


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Aurora PD is the same police department that killed that boy, Elijah McClain.

And they're the same PD that made a video mocking how they killed McClain.

And they're the same PD that roughed up woman and stomped on her head in a hospital parking lot because they didn't like the way she dropped her keys.

And....hopefully the new police chief can make real changes in the Aurora PD instead of just apologies.

The same PD department that was able to calmly arrest mass murderer James Holmes.
 
The same PD department that was able to calmly arrest mass murderer James Holmes.

The difference is notably striking and can't be emphasized enough.
 
You did not misread that.

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Police then determined they had stopped the wrong car. It had Colorado license plates but a motorcycle with the same license plate number from Montana was the vehicle that had been reported as stolen on Sunday. . . . Jennifer Wurtz, who shot the video, said on camera that the police drew guns as they initially approached the car. After she told the officers that the children were scared and asked to be able to speak to them, she was told to back up 25 feet because she was interfering in their investigation.


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Now before anyone latches onto this to defend them -
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[FONT="][FONT=arial][SIZE=2]"Part of the reason for the mixup may have been that the car was reported as stolen earlier in the year, police said[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][I][FONT="]" - let me reiterate. They pulled it over because the car had the same license plate number as a motorcycle that was recently reported stolen, but the motorcycle plate was from another state. The "may have" quote is pure speculative bull. What we have here is a family put through a nightmare because nobody bothered to check that the plate was from the right state, and perhaps was not even paying enough attention to have suspected that a plate was swapped from stolen MC to SUV.

I'm also puzzled for a few other reasons:

- At least as I can recall seeing, motorcycle plates are different than other vehicles, having fewer digits. But I'm not sure if that's every state.

- It would be easy to have a national database of plate numbers such that none are duplicated. There are 6 'digits' on modern MA plates. Each 'digit' can be a letter of the alphabet or a number 0-9. Meaning there are 36 possibilities total for each 'digit', meaning 36^9 combinations. That's 2 billion. There are 320 million residents in the states, and about 273ish million registered vehicles. • Number of cars in U.S. | Statista So first of all, this shouldn't even be a thing. Every state should have six digit plates, and none should be duplicated. We'll be good for quite a long time.

But really, you're looking for a stolen motorcycle from one state, and you pull a car/SUV without checking the plate's origin? (And assuming they stole the bike, swapped plates with a car/SUV, and drove around as a happy family of idiots?)
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Thank the God that I do not believe in that nobody got killed over this.

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What a misleading title... you should know better than that.
 
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Come on guys. A little common sense here.

Did you even bother to read it? They got an identical number mix up.

The stolen one was a motorcycle plate from another state that matched the one on the SUV.
 
Saw this on the news and thought WTF. You are looking for a Motorcycle, and you pull over a black SUV (the plates are even different), then put a family, including children, down on the road, good grief some of our LEOs are just idiots. They would not want me to be their sergeant when they returned to the station, there would have been hell to pay.

They were not looking for a motorcycle... they came across the same plate number that matched the ones on the motorcycle. They just saw the plate number. Are you guys purposely not reading the article? This is three now.
 
You gotta know that decent cops around the country are rolling their eyes or are mortified at what those idiots did. But as Trump said, cops shouldn’t be so gentle.

And yet another one... what a failed ****ing thread.
 
Idiots like these cast a grey cloud over the entire police force, and there are way too many of them out there wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm....they need to be eliminated for good so the decent cops can do what they are paid for, protect and serve the public.

This makes five... did that explosion in Beirut scatter coke all over America?
 
The same PD department that was able to calmly arrest mass murderer James Holmes.

As would have most other police departments. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
 
Saw this on the news and thought WTF. You are looking for a Motorcycle, and you pull over a black SUV (the plates are even different), then put a family, including children, down on the road, good grief some of our LEOs are just idiots. They would not want me to be their sergeant when they returned to the station, there would have been hell to pay.
They were looking for the SUV. It is possible that someone made a mistake when the motorcycle was reported stolen and the police only got the license plate number to reference a police report from, no mention of what the vehicle was or what state it was from "because hey they can look it up" (which they can). They look up that plate (for Colorado though rather than Montana), see a report that the SUV was reported stolen (maybe they didn't notice it was retrieved the next day, and it was February when ut was reported). Such mistakes happen in every job. Even with police officers.

They need more training and likely some alternative procedures for dealing with children/minors, especially when an adult is with them, this sort of situation. Set it up, fund it, move on. That is what reduces these incidents. Training (offices and possibly dispatchers) and procedure tweaking.

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