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Free Officer Derik Chauvin!

Bodhisattva said:
It is straight up murder. End of story really...
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Depends on the state's specific laws. In many states it takes premeditation to be murder. In most states it takes specific intent. Just being an idiot and screwing up doesn't make it murder.
I'd call this manslaughter.
 
coolup said:
It would seem that the only way to get some discussion going on this topic would be to speak about how terrible it was for that cop to kill george floyd. You all suck.
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Really? Supporting brutality is ok?
 
I think we're gonna see a ton of new threads from now to the election by posters you only have a few posts. I'm not sure any of us should fall for it.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Doesn't matter. He showed depraved indifference to a man that he was clearly choking. That man died as a result. Hell, the paramedics had to as the cop to remove his knee and he even gave them a hard time about it. It is straight up murder. End of story really...
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I am arguing that it was premeditated murder, not mere depraved indifference.
 
gino said:
Depends on the state's specific laws. In many states it takes premeditation to be murder. In most states it takes specific intent. Just being an idiot and screwing up doesn't make it murder.
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That is correct. In the state of Minnesota, where officer Chauvin was, assault causing a person's death is 2nd degree murder. Whether there was intent or premeditation to kill makes no difference.
 
If officer Chauvin knew that his actions could kill a man, then he should be guilty of murder.

If officer Chauvin did not know that his actions could kill a man, then the entire police department should be guilty of murder for failing to properly train their police on the appropriate (and inappropriate) use of force.

Either way, George Floyd was murdered. The only question is, by whom?
 
gino said:
Look up the legal definition of murder. The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. There was no premeditation here, at least that has been shown so far.
Now, involuntary manslaughter is definitely a possibility.
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They knew they were killing him.
 
bomberfox said:
They knew they were killing him.
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Tough to prove in a court of law. And you say THEY. I don't believe the other officers were actively supporting Chauvin. I'd say manslaughter for Chauvin and a reprimand for the other cops.
 
gino said:
Tough to prove in a court of law. And you say THEY. I don't believe the other officers were actively supporting Chauvin. I'd say manslaughter for Chauvin and a reprimand for the other cops.
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Would they not be an accessory the crime?
 
Luce said:
I am arguing that it was premeditated murder, not mere depraved indifference.
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It might have been premeditated, but there must be evidence to prove it. I think 2nd degree murder can be proven.
 
bearpoker said:
It might have been premeditated, but there must be evidence to prove it. I think 2nd degree murder can be proven.
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That's why I was saying if I was assigned to this, I'd be looking into the fact that they knew each other and had a beef.
 
Luce said:
That's why I was saying if I was assigned to this, I'd be looking into the fact that they knew each other and had a beef.
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That would be a start. Who knows what else you might find. I'm just going on what I know is there now.
 
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