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Blue Flu in Atlanta

Michael Johnson said:
LOL the fact that he ignored the hiring and training process goes to show the asinine plan won't work at all. Who in the **** would currently want to work for a brand new agency in a large Lib city filled with degenerates and a **** mayor who will not support them the first time they shoot a black thug, anyway?
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The first step is hiring people who don't want to "shoot black thugs"
 
poweRob said:
They are not mental health care takers but are dispatched when there is a mentally unstable person acting out.
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They would still have to come in case things turn violent but shouldn't be primary on the call, but otherwise agree that there is a lot that shouldn't be handled by cops (and instead someone more specialized to deal with the issue).
 
Michael Johnson said:
LOL the fact that he ignored the hiring and training process goes to show the asinine plan won't work at all. Who in the **** would currently want to work for a brand new agency in a large Lib city filled with degenerates and a **** mayor who will not support them the first time they shoot a black thug, anyway?
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I wonder how they would explain to these new recruits how one single mistake in the heat of the moment could get them life in prison...lol
 
Perotista said:
Replacing them isn't that easy. The pay for a police office is 25,000-60,000 a year in Atlanta depending on length of service and rank. Atlanta has always had a hard time recruiting.
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I'm still blown away by ATL salaries. Do you realize my city starts at 72K? And that's not unusual, considering the 'burbs often pay better. Straight-up, there aren't many city cops here not doing into six figures, given a little OT and regular promotions.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Sounds like a great plan, it will probably take under two years before the public is demanding a Franco style dictatorship
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That's hilarious. We have prostitution, drugs and gambling. All legal. We're real independent. Exact opposite of a Franco style dictatorship.
 
Michael Cole said:
Such hysterics. No, that's not it at all. Mentally ill. Addicts. Homeless types. You know. Right? You do know?

Not violent thugs at 2 AM. Total fail. We still send real cops to get the gangmembers.
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And then prosecute them when they actually try to stop gangbangers... so who’s going to be the real cop again?

Mentally ill includes large ranges of violent people. Again Burgeois SJWs who went to colleges with safe spaces can absolutely take a stab at mentally disturbed person calls.
 
Chomsky said:
Possibly. In my city we had a bad problem with bad shoots, and subsequent lying cops on the reports and afterwards. It took the feds to bust it all up. But they did. And the union leadership was all changed. So, it can happen. As it did in my city and with PATCO, too. Just start hiring.
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It's also important to remember why police are so often not held responsible for abuse. DA's and local judges all run on a 'tough on crime' campaign. They want to get reelected, and the former needs the police to cooperate them as much as possible for investigations. Because of the need both have to get police union endorsements, both are hesitant to overturn or punish rogue police in any way, because they fear the backlash from police culture.

The solution? Make police abuse a federal crime that US attorneys have sole authority to prosecute. They are not beholden to police unions. They are not running for reelection, and are instead appointed by the President directly to oversee a state. There will be no need for special counsels, as a US attorney will have the full power of the FBI to investigate and audit local police.
 
Irredentist said:
The first step will be demilitarization. American police operate in a paramilitary style, going so far as to use quasi military ranks and even surplus military equipment. That will need to change.

Use of force protocols will need to be revised, with more emphasis on diplomacy, mediation, and community outreach, with force and restraints only being applied as a very last resort.

The entire focus of policing in America needs to shift to Public Safety, rather than Crime Suppression.
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Demilitarization, drug interdiction, prostitution stings. If push come to shove, and a lot of cops don't come back to work, there's a helluva' lot of unnecessary policing that can be forgotten about, for good as far as I'm concerned.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And then prosecute them when they actually try to stop gangbangers...
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Only in your fabricated reality. It seems you believe gangbanger means person of color.
 
trixare4kids said:
Just wait until the cops stop writing required monthly quota of tickets. The mayor and city council will suddenly be on their side.
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That's a valid point, not that I see 'sides,' but that traffic tickets are a huge source of revenue for cities. The system is primed for corruption.

I don't see the city caving. They'll hire others to generate revenue from citations.
 
Michael Cole said:
Such hysterics. No, that's not it at all. Mentally ill. Addicts. Homeless types. You know. Right? You do know?

Not violent thugs at 2 AM. Total fail. We still send real cops to get the gangmembers.
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Firefighter/EMT's come into contact with violent mentally ill people all the time. They get kicked, punched, spit on, bitten, and have weapons drawn on them. Yet how many god damn people in the fire service have been caught on tape abusing the mentally ill? How many mentally ill people have died in their custody?

The answer to that question is some sort of microscopic number.

The difference? The culture. Firemen are trained to be compassionate and be willing to risk their lives to help a mentally ill person that is fighting them, while police are trained to use weapons at the first sign of trouble, which leads to horrible outcomes all around the nation.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's also important to remember why police are so often not held responsible for abuse. DA's and local judges all run on a 'tough on crime' campaign. They want to get reelected, and the former needs the police to cooperate them as much as possible for investigations. Because of the need both have to get police union endorsements, both are hesitant to overturn or punish rogue police in any way, because they fear the backlash from police culture.

The solution? Make police abuse a federal crime that US attorneys have sole authority to prosecute. They are not beholden to police unions. They are not running for reelection, and are instead appointed by the President directly to oversee a state. There will be no need for special counsels, as a US attorney will have the full power of the FBI to investigate and audit local police.
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The US Attorney would never have brought charges like this
 
Kushinator said:
In Chicago, police officers average $64k before side gigs (which pays a hefty premium for full-blood police power). Some positions are more of a resume pad as well e.g. Gary Indiana. Nevertheless, police officers are paid well for their work.
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64K average? Do you know any CPD? It's been 72K to start, for awhile. Plus OT, and annual time-in-position increases. They're doing six figures after 2-3 years.

Now there is academy & probation first, which is lower pay. But once off probation and officially cops, they're 72K.
 
Artymoon said:
GA is a right to work state.
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You sure about that?

All public employees, including firefighters, are forbidden to strike (GA Code Sec. 45-19-2).
 
MovingPictures said:
Firefighter/EMT's come into contact with violent mentally ill people all the time. They get kicked, punched, spit on, bitten, and have weapons drawn on them. Yet how many god damn people in the fire service have been caught on tape abusing the mentally ill? How many mentally ill people have died in their custody?

The answer to that question is some sort of microscopic number.

The difference? The culture. Firemen are trained to be compassionate and be willing to risk their lives to help a mentally ill person that is fighting them, while police are trained to use weapons at the first sign of trouble, which leads to horrible outcomes all around the nation.
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And they also call the police when going to an actual violent situation
 
Chomsky said:
Demilitarization, drug interdiction, prostitution stings. If push come to shove, and a lot of cops don't come back to work, there's a helluva' lot of unnecessary policing that can be forgotten about, for good as far as I'm concerned.
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:lamo:lamo:lamo

"Oh yeah those dealers giving drugs to local kids? They'll kick the habit in due time. Those prostitutes selling ass on the corner of a middle school? Yeah she's not hurting anyone with those STDs. She and her abusive pimp aren't robbing their clients. Yeah she's okay ****ing a 15 year old boy. Those domestic violence calls? Yeah that couple will work their issues out by tomorrow. Riots and looting and destroying businesses? Yeah you're a racist company anyway. Your products deserve to be stolen and they're helping out those in need, anyway."
 
Michael Cole said:
That's a valid point, not that I see 'sides,' but that traffic tickets are a huge source of revenue for cities. The system is primed for corruption.

I don't see the city caving. They'll hire others to generate revenue from citations.
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Who wants that gig?

They going to hire meter maids to do actual traffic stops?
 
vesper said:
But they can claim possible COVID exposure and need to quarantine. And in the meantime put their resumes in cities that are not run by progressives.
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They wouldn't be lying either...
 
Chomsky said:
Demilitarization, drug interdiction, prostitution stings. If push come to shove, and a lot of cops don't come back to work, there's a helluva' lot of unnecessary policing that can be forgotten about, for good as far as I'm concerned.
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Relaxing policing of quality of life offenses will lead to thousands of more murders.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And then prosecute them when they actually try to stop gangbangers... so who’s going to be the real cop again?
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You have a vivid imagination. Mine's better...How 'bout we just lynch 'em. All the white cops. Not for anything. Just for being white. "And then lynch them when they actually try to stop gangbangers..." Much better than your weak idea.

Mentally ill includes large ranges of violent people. Again Burgeois SJWs who went to colleges with safe spaces can absolutely take a stab at mentally disturbed person calls.
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Double down is a double fail.
 
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