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This all is a massive concocted lie by the MSM by editing the videos. The real video facts are so contradictory to the false narrative that Facebook is banning the critical videos. I will mention that George Floyd had 4 convictions/arrests as a drug dealer, for ARMED robbery, other charges and was a big, powerful man - a professional bouncer.


Here is what the videos actually show even with the carefully edited video by the MSM.


George Floyd, who the police would have learned is a drug dealer of multiple convictions, an armed robber, and who had been a fugitive before they put him in the back of the police car. He was put in the back seat on the driver's side. No violence and no injury. The officer who put him in the car on the same side.


The car starts to shake - making it clear Floyd was kicking or otherwise causing the disturbance. The police pulled out and one officer held him down with a knee on the side of his neck - NOT on his throat. Floyd calling out "I can't breathe" was not because he was being suffocated - a person being suffocated can't make a sound (obviously). He also said he was in pain.


It is clear he died of a heart attack - not being suffocated. The officer's knee on the side of his neck would not suffocate anyone. His being being infected with covid-19 and his likely drug usage being the cause of the heart attack. George Floyd had been treated 100% with respect and was safely in the back of the police car, until Floyd - a big and powerful man became violent within the car making in necessary to get him out of the car and further restrain him. During this, he died of a heart attack. THAT is the TRUE story.


Were I on the jury I would find the officer with the knee on him to restraint him not guilty. I also would find the other 3 not guilty and including a note that the District Attorney should be fired for prosecuting clearly innocent officers.


While at first it seemed a clear criminal case against ONE of the officers, seeing all the video such as is possible it became very clear this is 100% concocted out of MSM lies entirely for political purposes. It is election season and the MSM does this every election season.


The 4 officers are innocent. It was George Floyd who caused is own death nor are the officers responsible for him having a bad heart - a combination of his involvement with drugs, booze and infected with covid-19. He forced officers to further try to restrain him and he died of a heart attack.

All this is about is that the 24/7 covid-19 bio-terrorism campaign to destroy the economy to get Trump and put mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores out of business for the richest corporations on earth. Therefore, it was time to ramp up this election season's race baiting and race riots to take it's place - plus get thousands more mom and pop small stores destroyed for the super rich. It's all a massive MSM lie for political purpose, nothing else.

I am deeply saddened by the grotesquely corrupt using those 4 officers in the foulest corruption of the criminal justice system - and no words can expresses my hatred of the Democrats on the MSM and Democratic politicians responsible for the next way they figures to destroy tens or hundreds of thousands of people's lives - again destroying the poorest people to benefit the richest people seeking power out of it.
 
Filtered and censored information by the super rich who own all info outlets. Facebook is removing nearly every video of the arrest, even by major networks, to stop anyone from seeing the full video. The DA's office has highly redacted the police video and removed nearly all audio - so no one can see the full story. The MSM - all - have highly edited the video so no one can see what actually happened.
 
Yeah, that's why you kneel on some guy's neck for 9 minutes...cause he was asking for it!
 
joko104 said:
Filtered and censored information by the super rich who own all info outlets. Facebook is removing nearly every video of the arrest, even by major networks, to stop anyone from seeing the full video. The DA's office has highly redacted the police video and removed nearly all audio - so no one can see the full story. The MSM - all - have highly edited the video so no one can see what actually happened.
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It must feel awesome to be the guy who sees right through it all
 
joko104 said:
This all is a massive concocted lie by the MSM by editing the videos. The real video facts are so contradictory to the false narrative that Facebook is banning the critical videos. I will mention that George Floyd had 4 convictions/arrests as a drug dealer, for ARMED robbery, other charges and was a big, powerful man - a professional bouncer.


Here is what the videos actually show even with the carefully edited video by the MSM.


George Floyd, who the police would have learned is a drug dealer of multiple convictions, an armed robber, and who had been a fugitive before they put him in the back of the police car. He was put in the back seat on the driver's side. No violence and no injury. The officer who put him in the car on the same side.


The car starts to shake - making it clear Floyd was kicking or otherwise causing the disturbance. The police pulled out and one officer held him down with a knee on the side of his neck - NOT on his throat. Floyd calling out "I can't breathe" was not because he was being suffocated - a person being suffocated can't make a sound (obviously). He also said he was in pain.


It is clear he died of a heart attack - not being suffocated. The officer's knee on the side of his neck would not suffocate anyone. His being being infected with covid-19 and his likely drug usage being the cause of the heart attack. George Floyd had been treated 100% with respect and was safely in the back of the police car, until Floyd - a big and powerful man became violent within the car making in necessary to get him out of the car and further restrain him. During this, he died of a heart attack. THAT is the TRUE story.


Were I on the jury I would find the officer with the knee on him to restraint him not guilty. I also would find the other 3 not guilty and including a note that the District Attorney should be fired for prosecuting clearly innocent officers.


While at first it seemed a clear criminal case against ONE of the officers, seeing all the video such as is possible it became very clear this is 100% concocted out of MSM lies entirely for political purposes. It is election season and the MSM does this every election season.


The 4 officers are innocent. It was George Floyd who caused is own death nor are the officers responsible for him having a bad heart - a combination of his involvement with drugs, booze and infected with covid-19. He forced officers to further try to restrain him and he died of a heart attack.

All this is about is that the 24/7 covid-19 bio-terrorism campaign to destroy the economy to get Trump and put mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores out of business for the richest corporations on earth. Therefore, it was time to ramp up this election season's race baiting and race riots to take it's place - plus get thousands more mom and pop small stores destroyed for the super rich. It's all a massive MSM lie for political purpose, nothing else.

I am deeply saddened by the grotesquely corrupt using those 4 officers in the foulest corruption of the criminal justice system - and no words can expresses my hatred of the Democrats on the MSM and Democratic politicians responsible for the next way they figures to destroy tens or hundreds of thousands of people's lives - again destroying the poorest people to benefit the richest people seeking power out of it.
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Please stop. Please, in the name of humanity.
 
There is no justification for the methods used to restrain Floyd. If he had a heart attack, which the independent autopsy ruled out, it was from the strain of 9 minutes of full-body pressure on his neck. I have seen a lot of edited videos and false narratives the last few years. This one may not be the full story, but it doesnt change the reality of this murder.
 
joko104 said:
Filtered and censored information by the super rich who own all info outlets. Facebook is removing nearly every video of the arrest, even by major networks, to stop anyone from seeing the full video. The DA's office has highly redacted the police video and removed nearly all audio - so no one can see the full story. The MSM - all - have highly edited the video so no one can see what actually happened.
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Reading your last two posts, I wonder if one can get a prescription for paranoia pills. Otherwise, you have stumbled on a massive conspiracy involving media, super rich, police departments, Democratic Party, many republicans, the DA’s office, and coroner all in pursuit of some evil agenda which you will no doubt reveal in time.

Somehow, I think even the officers’ defense attorneys would excuse you from the jury in this case.
 
joko104 said:
This all is a massive concocted lie by the MSM by editing the videos. The real video facts are so contradictory to the false narrative that Facebook is banning the critical videos. I will mention that George Floyd had 4 convictions/arrests as a drug dealer, for ARMED robbery, other charges and was a big, powerful man - a professional bouncer.


Here is what the videos actually show even with the carefully edited video by the MSM.


George Floyd, who the police would have learned is a drug dealer of multiple convictions, an armed robber, and who had been a fugitive before they put him in the back of the police car. He was put in the back seat on the driver's side. No violence and no injury. The officer who put him in the car on the same side.


The car starts to shake - making it clear Floyd was kicking or otherwise causing the disturbance. The police pulled out and one officer held him down with a knee on the side of his neck - NOT on his throat. Floyd calling out "I can't breathe" was not because he was being suffocated - a person being suffocated can't make a sound (obviously). He also said he was in pain.


It is clear he died of a heart attack - not being suffocated. The officer's knee on the side of his neck would not suffocate anyone. His being being infected with covid-19 and his likely drug usage being the cause of the heart attack. George Floyd had been treated 100% with respect and was safely in the back of the police car, until Floyd - a big and powerful man became violent within the car making in necessary to get him out of the car and further restrain him. During this, he died of a heart attack. THAT is the TRUE story.


Were I on the jury I would find the officer with the knee on him to restraint him not guilty. I also would find the other 3 not guilty and including a note that the District Attorney should be fired for prosecuting clearly innocent officers.


While at first it seemed a clear criminal case against ONE of the officers, seeing all the video such as is possible it became very clear this is 100% concocted out of MSM lies entirely for political purposes. It is election season and the MSM does this every election season.


The 4 officers are innocent. It was George Floyd who caused is own death nor are the officers responsible for him having a bad heart - a combination of his involvement with drugs, booze and infected with covid-19. He forced officers to further try to restrain him and he died of a heart attack.

All this is about is that the 24/7 covid-19 bio-terrorism campaign to destroy the economy to get Trump and put mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores out of business for the richest corporations on earth. Therefore, it was time to ramp up this election season's race baiting and race riots to take it's place - plus get thousands more mom and pop small stores destroyed for the super rich. It's all a massive MSM lie for political purpose, nothing else.

I am deeply saddened by the grotesquely corrupt using those 4 officers in the foulest corruption of the criminal justice system - and no words can expresses my hatred of the Democrats on the MSM and Democratic politicians responsible for the next way they figures to destroy tens or hundreds of thousands of people's lives - again destroying the poorest people to benefit the richest people seeking power out of it.
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Do you have a link to the full video?

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And the Trump cult wonders why minorities won’t vote for them in any sort of large numbers.
 
Lovebug said:
Please stop. Please, in the name of humanity.
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How those officers and every minority community in the USA are being abused corruptly is outrageous. Who should stop are people buying into the total corruption of our criminal justice system - including you.

Link to any video showing anyone doing anything that would suffocate a man the size and strength of Floyd. You can't. You're just another person for which the paid actor-commentators of the super rich who own their networks tell you. Don't even attempt at independent thought.

All of this is based upon a corrupt lie.

Or do you have some explanation why full audio and video of what happened has been edited and redacted? Editing and removing huge portions of the audio and video isn't for the purpose of exposing the truth. It is for the purpose of hiding the truth - always. There are no national security secrets involved.
 
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Do you have a link to the full video?

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There is no link to a full video or audio. THere can't be as it exposes the lie. But edited portions still show the truth.

If find those again would you watch? I don't think so.
 
joko104 said:
There is no link to a full video or audio. THere can't be as it exposes the lie. But edited portions still show the truth.

If find those again would you watch? I don't think so.
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Absolutely i would watch it. I have said from the start that theres a crucial time window thats missing. Im not sure i would agree with your conclusion but im open minded

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trouble13 said:
Absolutely i would watch it. I have said from the start that theres a crucial time window thats missing. Im not sure i would agree with your conclusion but im open minded

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I'll try to dig them out. The critical period - Floyd first being put into the car start to finish? That has been hidden.
 
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I'll try to dig them out. The critical period - Floyd first being put into the car start to finish? That has been hidden.
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What your saying is that he was removed from the backseat because he was trashing the back of the car

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trouble13 said:
What your saying is that he was removed from the backseat because he was trashing the back of the car

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Possibly. It is clear he was being uncooperative with the newbie trainee trying to fasten his seat belt. People act like who Floyd was and who the officers - particularly 2 trainees less than a week into training - is irrelevant. But that is the whole story.

I know exactly who and what George Floyd was. I had the same job he had for over a decade in a black Chicago ghetto - only I don't have so much as a parking ticket and never robbed or stole from anyone. I had to professionally and personally deal with men like him often. To such men it is entirely about power and fear. For him that literally was his profession. His job. What he did.
 
I know exactly the kind of man George Floyd was better than anyone on this forum by a factor of 1,000. The decisive moment was when he recognized the fear of the newbie police trainee less than a week on the job trying to put a seat belt around him. Floyd's job as a bouncer was to recognize and be able to cause fear. A man who can't do that can't be a bouncer as that is the primary job of a bouncer.

Floyd was many times tougher than that newbie cop. Much bigger. Stronger. Been in martial arts training, boxing practice and weight training for years. A drug dealer. A drug delivery man (many convictions) operating out of a strip club. A violent man - armed robber. A break in conviction reduced to trespassing in a building - meaning a thug.

Although I have no convictions or even so much as a ticket, nor ever robbed anyone or stole anything, I know who George Floyd is because in many ways I was George Floyd. I did what he did. The difference is I was never a bully but the opposite - I dealt with men like him. 99% of the time they'd back off. 1% I'd have to break them, put them on the ground violently, instantly, and in a way they would not get back up in a fighting mode. For someone like Floyd for his size that usually meant breaking the man's collar bone if he did not immediately comply with my command and warning. That'll take the fight out of someone.

Men who are bouncers, drug runners, bill collectors and enforcers (sometimes also pimps) for minority strip clubs are intense men not to mess around with. They can hurt someone - badly and permanently - as fast as you can snap your fingers. It is more than big enough, powerful enough, trained enough but also fight experienced enough. They do not hesitate. They can strike faster than anyone can react defensively.

No one wants to talk about what actually happened or why. No one wants to talk about why the newbie trainee cop couldn't get a seatbelt on him, why suddenly all 4 scrambled to the car or why a senior veteran training officer pulled Floyd out of the back seat from the other side putting him on the ground. No one wants the truth. They just want useful political slogans,

It is the greatest of injustices to lock up the 2 new trainees for months in solitary with a bond level impossible to post, charged with murder trying to send them to prison for life, their names and pictures incessantly made public and called a white racist murder - when one of the two even told the senior officer he shouldn't be doing what he did.

Those 2 trainers are literally being prosecuted claiming they should have drawn their side arms and shot the training officer in the head. One of them had already told the senior officer with his knee on Floyd's neck to stop. Because they didn't kill their instructor therefore they are murderers.

Floyd died of a heart attack while a veteran officer was proving to Floyd his causing **** in the car with the trainee isn't going to work and demonstrating who was in control. Floyd likely sensed the fear and the trainee and was messing with him with it. Bouncers deal in fear. In stressful situations people die of heart attacks. More people die of heart attacks than any other cause. He did not die of suffocation. Floyd couldn't breath and he was in pain because his heart was stopping - meaning no oxygen in the blood. A heart attack is painful. People put on the ground always howl the police are hurting him too. Comes with the job.
 
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joko104 said:
Possibly. It is clear he was being uncooperative with the newbie trainee trying to fasten his seat belt. People act like who Floyd was and who the officers - particularly 2 trainees less than a week into training - is irrelevant. But that is the whole story.

I know exactly who and what George Floyd was. I had the same job he had for over a decade in a black Chicago ghetto - only I don't have so much as a parking ticket and never robbed or stole from anyone. I had to professionally and personally deal with men like him often. To such men it is entirely about power and fear. For him that literally was his profession. His job. What he did.
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Let me tap into your exoerience here. What would be a reasonable explanation for removing him from the back seat rather than binding him in place so he could not thrash about?

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trouble13 said:
Let me tap into your exoerience here. What would be a reasonable explanation for removing him from the back seat rather than binding him in place so he could not thrash about?

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How would you do that safely? He can probably press a quarter a ton with his legs. He's a "big bone" man. If he slams you with his head it's like getting hit with a brick. Simply, in that compact a space getting the seatbelt on him isn't possible unless I suppose 2 officers piled in each from both sides - but then you end up the same place plus potentially triggering a heart athen he can bite you - infecting you with HIV, hepatitis, covid-19, any STDs and any other transmittable disease he has. That officer then suffers from that disease(s), possibly to die of it and possibly to have it the rest of his life. No officer has to risk being infected with HIV, do they?

Taser him? Tasers only work while being tasered and certainly couldn't get the seatbelt on him. Since he had a bad heart, a taser could have killed him.

The ONE officer violated policy having his leg on Floyd's throat because choke holds are prohibited and for a frail person you can break their neck. However, holding down someone the size and strength of Floyd isn't easy. He was deliberately being overwhelmed as a demonstration of the futility to resist. His bad heart wasn't known to any of them.

While I should gratuitously call this a tragedy, to be honest I don't see it that way because I know who Floyd was and what he did. I wouldn't want him in my neighborhood, around my family or kids. Crime and violence come with him - because of who and what he is. His profession is crime including violence. His pride is in his violent, fear-causing and violence skills. Doesn't mean the police can just gun him down or choke him to death, but that didn't happen.

Violating police department policy isn't a crime. The other 3, particularly the new trainees, broke no laws nor do I see that they did anything wrong whatsoever. They likely had no idea how to deal with someone like Floyd. Would you? If there had been an officer there who was 6' 5", 275 pounds and muscular like an MMA fighter? Floyd would have caused no problem. He would have caused no problem with me. But a clearly frightened, confused and unsure 3 day little trainee? That's like a mouse to a cat to someone like Floyd. He has to mess with him a little bit just because he can and that is his point of pride - something to brag about later "I made that new cop piss his pants" boasting back the club when bailed out.

Officers don't have to be fighters in my opinion. If someone resists, I give them great leeway to force they can use so they don't have to be fighters or take any risks. Be passive and police will be passive to you. Be aggressive and expect overwhelming counter aggression to demonstrate who has the greater overwhelming power if it comes to it.

There was no way to get a seat belt on a man as powerful as Floyd if he was resisting it. First, he would have to be convinced resisting is counter productive to him - such as being thrown down on the concrete and held there until he fully understands to give up the resistance. Unfortunately, there really is no other way. Cops have to deal with drunks and druggies acting like that all the time. You ALWAYS get them on the ground face down and then hold him down by weight or hardly twisting the person's arm behind their back - possibly having to use your knee to hold him down. This happens hundreds of times a day - particularly on weekend nights.

What the 18 year veteran was doing was getting Floyd to desperately want to be back in that car with the seat belt on - and that's why the officer was ordering to get back in the car - while making it impossible. It's a submission thing. Did the officer go too far with that? Possibly. If so, it's police abuse, not murder. Fired for it. Maybe a misdemeanor assault charge. The officer was doing what he's had to do probably hundreds of times.

How you suggest doing it? Call more cops? How would that change anything? The 4 officers piling into the car on him - with all the risks to the officers and to Floyd too?
 
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Years ago back when in Chicago a fellow I knew, black guy built like a brick but only about 5' 8" and not really a fighter was stopped by a Chicago police car, female officer. He was drunk, so a DWI arrest coming and he knew it. Very drunk, he cursed the police woman. She just told him "don't drive off" and went back and sat in her car.

He said he felt she was trying to get him to run - turning a DUI into more serious felony charges so he just sat there. About 5 or 6 minutes later another Chicago police cruiser pulled up. A black male officer, around 6' 6", around 275 to 300 pounds and built like a body builder MMA fighter got out, briefly spoke to the police woman and then came up to his car.

That officer opened his door, jerked him out, and slugged him in the face, in the stomach and kneed him in the groin. Then slung him around slamming him chest down against the hood, slammed his head down once on the hood, while twisting one of arms behind his back enough so it really hurt, cuffed him, and threw him down on the concrete. Then that officer dragged him by his jacket collar to the police woman's car, throwing him in the back and seat belting him in. He was taken to jail, booked in for DUI.

I asked him "did you learn anything out of this?" Answer: "Yeah, don't **** with Chicago police." He was not complaining, but laughing about it. He has gotten stupid drunk and acted stupid. He saw it as learning a lesson, not as police abuse.

He had learned a valuable life lesson, hadn't he? You go looking for trouble, particularly with the police, and you might be unlucky enough to find it. Be polite to police and they will be polite to you. Mess with them at your own peril. The more a threat you poise - particularly if you are big and physically powerful with a LONG criminal record - the more passive and polite you need to be as you poise a real risk.

As I mentioned, twice when confronted by police and seeing I made them nervous, I dropped to one knee, bowing my head looking down and crossing my arms against my chest with palms visibly outward. A demonstration of submission. On the more serious occasion, the response of the ranking officer was "let him go on his way." I had hurt a guy fairly badly, claiming self defense and a rare occasion this brought the police. There was not question of initial self defense (the guy had a knife), but the injuries such as had it gone beyond self defense? How fast has I done those injuries?

That senior officer slammed me in the shoulder from behind. I instinctively turned, twisting him down by his arm with a thumb lock - but the next instant realized this was a cop with other cops around - and dropped to my knee as I described.That kept the cops from beating the crap out of me and locking me up. It convinced that ranking officer that yes, I could break up someone very fast - because he was quite big and tough himself, but like nothing to me. That was the past, not now. The years take their toll on everyone and I live in a very passive quiet little white community now. Used to feel like a wolf among sheep, but I like sheep and do not like wolves. Floyd was a wolf and most people, even newbie little police trainees, were sheep to him. He enjoyed scaring the sheep.
 
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joko104 said:
This all is a massive concocted lie by the MSM by editing the videos. The real video facts are so contradictory to the false narrative that Facebook is banning the critical videos. I will mention that George Floyd had 4 convictions/arrests as a drug dealer, for ARMED robbery, other charges and was a big, powerful man - a professional bouncer.


Here is what the videos actually show even with the carefully edited video by the MSM.


George Floyd, who the police would have learned is a drug dealer of multiple convictions, an armed robber, and who had been a fugitive before they put him in the back of the police car. He was put in the back seat on the driver's side. No violence and no injury. The officer who put him in the car on the same side.


The car starts to shake - making it clear Floyd was kicking or otherwise causing the disturbance. The police pulled out and one officer held him down with a knee on the side of his neck - NOT on his throat. Floyd calling out "I can't breathe" was not because he was being suffocated - a person being suffocated can't make a sound (obviously). He also said he was in pain.


It is clear he died of a heart attack - not being suffocated. The officer's knee on the side of his neck would not suffocate anyone. His being being infected with covid-19 and his likely drug usage being the cause of the heart attack. George Floyd had been treated 100% with respect and was safely in the back of the police car, until Floyd - a big and powerful man became violent within the car making in necessary to get him out of the car and further restrain him. During this, he died of a heart attack. THAT is the TRUE story.


Were I on the jury I would find the officer with the knee on him to restraint him not guilty. I also would find the other 3 not guilty and including a note that the District Attorney should be fired for prosecuting clearly innocent officers.


While at first it seemed a clear criminal case against ONE of the officers, seeing all the video such as is possible it became very clear this is 100% concocted out of MSM lies entirely for political purposes. It is election season and the MSM does this every election season.


The 4 officers are innocent. It was George Floyd who caused is own death nor are the officers responsible for him having a bad heart - a combination of his involvement with drugs, booze and infected with covid-19. He forced officers to further try to restrain him and he died of a heart attack.

All this is about is that the 24/7 covid-19 bio-terrorism campaign to destroy the economy to get Trump and put mom and pop brick-and-mortar stores out of business for the richest corporations on earth. Therefore, it was time to ramp up this election season's race baiting and race riots to take it's place - plus get thousands more mom and pop small stores destroyed for the super rich. It's all a massive MSM lie for political purpose, nothing else.

I am deeply saddened by the grotesquely corrupt using those 4 officers in the foulest corruption of the criminal justice system - and no words can expresses my hatred of the Democrats on the MSM and Democratic politicians responsible for the next way they figures to destroy tens or hundreds of thousands of people's lives - again destroying the poorest people to benefit the richest people seeking power out of it.
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Ohfer****sakes. What is it with you guys? Blame the victim every time the victim is black. Are you on record here blaming Ahmaud Arbery for getting his self shot, too?
The whole world saw that cop kill George Floyd. How will you spin it when the guilty verdict comes down?
 
Rules in the ghetto are different, even for the police. They have to be. The values are different and the risks for everyone much greater. Police get shot, beat up, stabbed, spit on, and otherwise assaulted in the ghetto unless they are prepared for a real show of force in very real ways.
 
joko104 said:
How would you do that safely? He can probably press a quarter a ton with his legs. He's a "big bone" man. If he slams you with his head it's like getting hit with a brick. Simply, in that compact a space getting the seatbelt on him isn't possible unless I suppose 2 officers piled in each from both sides - but then you end up the same place plus potentially triggering a heart athen he can bite you - infecting you with HIV, hepatitis, covid-19, any STDs and any other transmittable disease he has. That officer then suffers from that disease(s), possibly to die of it and possibly to have it the rest of his life. No officer has to risk being infected with HIV, do they?

Taser him? Tasers only work while being tasered and certainly couldn't get the seatbelt on him. Since he had a bad heart, a taser could have killed him.

The ONE officer violated policy having his leg on Floyd's throat because choke holds are prohibited and for a frail person you can break their neck. However, holding down someone the size and strength of Floyd isn't easy. He was deliberately being overwhelmed as a demonstration of the futility to resist. His bad heart wasn't known to any of them.

While I should gratuitously call this a tragedy, to be honest I don't see it that way because I know who Floyd was and what he did. I wouldn't want him in my neighborhood, around my family or kids. Crime and violence come with him - because of who and what he is. His profession is crime including violence. His pride is in his violent, fear-causing and violence skills. Doesn't mean the police can just gun him down or choke him to death, but that didn't happen.

Violating police department policy isn't a crime. The other 3, particularly the new trainees, broke no laws nor do I see that they did anything wrong whatsoever. They likely had no idea how to deal with someone like Floyd. Would you? If there had been an officer there who was 6' 5", 275 pounds and muscular like an MMA fighter? Floyd would have caused no problem. He would have caused no problem with me. But a clearly frightened, confused and unsure 3 day little trainee? That's like a mouse to a cat to someone like Floyd. He has to mess with him a little bit just because he can and that is his point of pride - something to brag about later "I made that new cop piss his pants" boasting back the club when bailed out.

Officers don't have to be fighters in my opinion. If someone resists, I give them great leeway to force they can use so they don't have to be fighters or take any risks. Be passive and police will be passive to you. Be aggressive and expect overwhelming counter aggression to demonstrate who has the greater overwhelming power if it comes to it.

There was no way to get a seat belt on a man as powerful as Floyd if he was resisting it. First, he would have to be convinced resisting is counter productive to him - such as being thrown down on the concrete and held there until he fully understands to give up the resistance. Unfortunately, there really is no other way. Cops have to deal with drunks and druggies acting like that all the time. You ALWAYS get them on the ground face down and then hold him down by weight or hardly twisting the person's arm behind their back - possibly having to use your knee to hold him down. This happens hundreds of times a day - particularly on weekend nights.

What the 18 year veteran was doing was getting Floyd to desperately want to be back in that car with the seat belt on - and that's why the officer was ordering to get back in the car - while making it impossible. It's a submission thing. Did the officer go too far with that? Possibly. If so, it's police abuse, not murder. Fired for it. Maybe a misdemeanor assault charge. The officer was doing what he's had to do probably hundreds of times.

How you suggest doing it? Call more cops? How would that change anything? The 4 officers piling into the car on him - with all the risks to the officers and to Floyd too?
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I thank you for you perspective. You are the only person i have encountered who has offered a reasonable explanation for the officers actions.
I was not aware that 2 of them were so green. You have at least succeeded in putting reasonable doubt in my mind if it was murder. You seem to have more information than me about thisvwhich puts me at a disadvantage. If it did go down as you suggest I hope justice is served and he is found not guilty.

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Grand Mal said:
Ohfer****sakes. What is it with you guys? Blame the victim every time the victim is black. Are you on record here blaming Ahmaud Arbery for getting his self shot, too?
The whole world saw that cop kill George Floyd. How will you spin it when the guilty verdict comes down?
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The racism of your message is noted.

George Floyd died of a heart attack.

Why bother with a trial? All 4, including 2 trainees of less than 1 week who did nothing other than tell the officer he shouldn't be doing what he's doing. All 4 have been locked up in solitary confinement as if already found guilty with a massive bond set to keep them locked up.

They have NO case against 3 of them, but will explain to them the ONLY way to get out of jail is to plead guilty to something. Otherwise, they are going to stay in torturous solitary for months or over a year. Or threaten to put them in general population where minimally they will be nearly beat to death or killed. The Supreme Court has ruled police have no duty to protect anyone. 3 of them did not harm Floyd in the slightest. 2 of them had no more than FOUR DAYS of training.

Sorry to interrupt you racist ranting that so many white progressives like to do, pretending they are black and that they actually give a damn, when you and they don't. You just repeat what the super rich tell you to think and say on TV that they own.
 
trouble13 said:
I thank you for you perspective. You are the only person i have encountered who has offered a reasonable explanation for the officers actions.
I was not aware that 2 of them were so green. You have at least succeeded in putting reasonable doubt in my mind if it was murder. You seem to have more information than me about thisvwhich puts me at a disadvantage. If it did go down as you suggest I hope justice is served and he is found not guilty.

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The 2 trainees should never have been arrested. Discharged from the force since they could never safely be officers there. The other veteran? I don't see a crime.

The one with his knee on Floyd's neck in violation of policy? Something like MAYBE reckless endangerment, abuse of power, or civil rights violation if they MUST get a conviction. There is no murder case here. Murder means you meant to kill someone at the time you did, with premeditation not charged and the highest offense.

There is NOTHING to indicate the officer meant to kill Floyd, literally nothing.

HOWEVER, DAs often over charge police as the way to get not guilty verdicts. The DA has incentive to do so because the city is going to get sued for tens of millions of dollars and convictions prove liability. This is a common tactic by prosecutors in cases involving the police. They prosecute - but overcharge to get an acquittal.

Because of the level of the bond, the only way any of them can get out of jail is to plead to something, anything. So they might offer the fully innocent one some low level felony, nearly just for time served and a long probation, that they might accept to get out of jail and risk a 40 year sentence. Most pleas for all criminal cases are made basis - the only way to get out of jail and the risk of trial too great.
 
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