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George Floyd criminal record

justabubba said:
from all accounts, he was talked-out by nine minutes
what caused him to be unable to continue to converse?
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He had a heart attack. It killed him. Heart attacks kill more Americans than any other cause.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What white supremacist site did you cut and paste that post from?
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Now you are claiming this is a white supremacist site. The information is form this forum, particularly the OP of this thread.
 
joko104 said:
He had a heart attack. It killed him. Heart attacks kill more Americans than any other cause.
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Not that it matters, but a heart attack had no bearing whatsoever.

The officer kept his knee on this guy's neck for two minutes after it was determined he didn't have a pulse. And they did nothing.

They deserve the murder 2 charges coming their way.
 
Who George Floyd is and his criminal history is decisively relevant as it indicated what actions and dangers he may have done and poised after put into the back seat of the police car.

Floyd was a violent and dangerous drug dealer, criminal and tough thug. The core question for what he was pulled back out of the car is what happened in the car - something no one wants to discuss - yet that is the critical period of time.

He died of a heart attack, not suffocation.
 
joko104 said:
Who George Floyd is and his criminal history is decisively relevant as it indicated what actions and dangers he may have done and poised after put into the back seat of the police car.

Floyd was a violent and dangerous drug dealer, criminal and tough thug. The core question for what he was pulled back out of the car is what happened in the car - something no one wants to discuss - yet that is the critical period of time.

He died of a heart attack, not suffocation.
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Quit calling others racists. It's hypocritical of you. You need to be man enough to own your racism.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Quit calling others racists. It's hypocritical of you. You need to be man enough to own your racism.
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The white supremacist, white racist messages are your's. The white racists of the MSM and among you Democrats has fully corrupted the criminal justice system, gotten thousands of homes and businesses destroyed, entire minority communities destroyed across the country, caused thousands of acts of violence, got police and civilians shot and killed and destroyed tens of thousands of lives - all that you are proud off too.
 
joko104 said:
Who George Floyd is and his criminal history is decisively relevant as it indicated what actions and dangers he may have done and poised after put into the back seat of the police car.

Floyd was a violent and dangerous drug dealer, criminal and tough thug. The core question for what he was pulled back out of the car is what happened in the car - something no one wants to discuss - yet that is the critical period of time.

He died of a heart attack, not suffocation.
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The police do not get to decide on the death penalty
 
Your right, there is no excuse for this. The actions of the cop are disturbing in the least and the others who stood by and watched. What I find very odd is how these cops broke away from a normal protocol of detaining, neutralizing and arresting the suspects and once done are lifted to their feet and place in the patrol car. Now cops sometimes will use excessive force on a suspect either outside the car or in but once neutralized (usually with zip ties)will always stand the suspect up. Now if worse comes to worse cops will usually call in a paddy wagon if the suspect remains uncompliant. This incident could almost appear intentional, this was completely out of the norm, was their a purpose behind this, it makes me wonder. None the less those cops need to stand before before a court and answers for their crimes.
 
I know exactly the kind of man George Floyd was better than anyone on this forum by a factor of 1,000. The decisive moment was when he recognized the fear of the newbie police trainee less than a week on the job trying to put a seat belt around him. Floyd's job as a bouncer was to recognize and be able to cause fear. A man who can't do that can't be a bouncer as that is the primary job of a bouncer.

Floyd was many times tougher than that newbie cop. Much bigger. Stronger. Been in martial arts training, boxing practice and weight training for years. A drug dealer. A drug delivery man (many convictions) operating out of a strip club. A violent man - armed robber. A break in conviction reduced to trespassing in a building - meaning a thug.

Although I have no convictions or even so much as a ticket, nor every robbed anyone, I know who George Floyd is because in many ways I was George Floyd. I did what he did. The difference is I was never a bully but the opposite - I dealt with men like him. 99% of the time they'd back off. 1% I'd have to break them, put them on the ground violently, instantly, and in a way they would not get back up in a fighting mode.

No one wants to talk about what actually happened or why. No one wants to talk about why the newbie trainee cop couldn't get a seatbelt on him, why suddenly all 4 scrambled to the car or why a senior veteran training officer pulled Floyd out of the back seat from the other side putting him on the ground. No wants the truth.

It is the greatest of injustices to lock up the 2 new trainees for months in solitary with a bond level impossible to post, charged with murder trying to send them to prison for life, their names and pictures incessantly made public and called a white racist murder - when one of the two even told the senior officer he shouldn't be doing what he did.

Those 2 trainers are literally being prosecuted claiming they should have drawn their side arms and shot the training officer in the head. One of them had already told the senior officer with his knee on Floyd's neck to stop. Because they didn't kill their instructor therefore they are murderers.

NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE should take a job as a police officer in any city run by Democrats and if you are a police officer in an urban Democratic run city you should quit. There are plenty of small cities and towns that will hire you where you are not considered a criminal for being a cop and subject to attack instigated by or directly the governing politicians.
 
deltabtry said:
Your right, there is no excuse for this. The actions of the cop are disturbing in the least and the others who stood by and watched. What I find very odd is how these cops broke away from a normal protocol of detaining, neutralizing and arresting the suspects and once done are lifted to their feet and place in the patrol car. Now cops sometimes will use excessive force on a suspect either outside the car or in but once neutralized (usually with zip ties)will always stand the suspect up. Now if worse comes to worse cops will usually call in a paddy wagon if the suspect remains uncompliant. This incident could almost appear intentional, this was completely out of the norm, was their a purpose behind this, it makes me wonder. None the less those cops need to stand before before a court and answers for their crimes.
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The crime of not shooting the training officer in the head, right?
 
joko104 said:
The crime of not shooting the training officer in the head, right?
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They did not make the slightest attempt to try and stop the murder.



Guilty
 
In regards to the Newbie officers, they're afforded the right to stand before a judge and explain their accounts of the incident and I am sure their tenor will be taken into consideration. In short the charges will most likely be dismissed and the trainer will be the only one to answer for his actions. This incident has to be addressed and not swept under the rug.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Behavior plays a very important part. You let your guard down and you will end up with an ink pen stuck in your eye or worse. There are very dangerous people out there. That you better believe. Let your guard down for a second and it could be the last time.
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Oh I don't doubt that at all, but if the type of behavior we saw in the Floyd case (and others we've seen over the years) has no recourse, then these problems will persist. There were four men at that scene dealing with someone who was not resisting arrest, yet there seemed to be the need to subdue someone in a manner which led to his death. For the record, I am not anti-police at all (despite my negative experiences with them), but we can't assume that the deaths attributed due to poor practices on the part of police can go without being addressed. All that will happen is the continued pattern of civil unrest we've had over the past 20 years.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Your life is on the line when you do police work. You should never let your guard down with anyone. But that level of heightened awareness is not possible day in and day out. The next best thing is information about the person you are dealing with. If the information says extremely dangerous you better head the warning. Just like a mother bear with cubs you better head the warning because your life depends on it.
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Yep, and I get it, but I still don't get how any of what happened in the Floyd case is justified based on the fact he did not resist and was already subdued. If a person is a likely threat then is goal to render them unconscious so they're not a threat? If a person has a previous record, should they be tazed first so they're not a threat?
 
free press said:
Truth is not a left wing virtue. Which is why I push the envelope of racism to shoot my points in. And I’m willing to take a punch in the face from black person for doing my pushing. White people are good people. Black people are good people. Floyd died a criminal.
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Floyd wasn't a criminal.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Oh I don't doubt that at all, but if the type of behavior we saw in the Floyd case (and others we've seen over the years) has no recourse, then these problems will persist. There were four men at that scene dealing with someone who was not resisting arrest, yet there seemed to be the need to subdue someone in a manner which led to his death. For the record, I am not anti-police at all (despite my negative experiences with them), but we can't assume that the deaths attributed due to poor practices on the part of police can go without being addressed. All that will happen is the continued pattern of civil unrest we've had over the past 20 years.
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The problem with the police is they have to deal with the worst of society day in and and day out. That is why I got out. I am much happier with the gratification of remodeling someone's kitchen or bathroom. The gratification and the sense of accomplishment combined with the gratification from the people you work for is much nicer than some scum bag spitting in your face and doing everything they can to make you kick the crap out of them. The police in my opinion need mandatory counselling to keep their perspective. I am not afraid to admit that at some point one of those scum bags over time might have pushed me into beating the hell out of them one day. I am not a person that will tolerate the abuse you get from the criminals out there. It was the best move of my life getting out of police work and into construction. I have no regrets switching professions.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yep, and I get it, but I still don't get how any of what happened in the Floyd case is justified based on the fact he did not resist and was already subdued. If a person is a likely threat then is goal to render them unconscious so they're not a threat? If a person has a previous record, should they be tazed first so they're not a threat?
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I have never said I justify the actions of the police officers if in fact the kneeling on the neck was enough to cause the death of the person. Even taser guns kill people with underlying health risks. Just the act wrestling a person into submission can lead to a heart attack or asphyxiation if they have problems or are on drugs.
 
trouble13 said:
I agree about addressing cops abusing their position of authority. I do not agree that its motivated by racism. Sometimes maybe but the majority of the time its not. What I am suggesting here is that we use a higher burden proof than only having a white cop and a black suspect as the only evidence before people react as they currently are.
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'Addressing'- such a nice sanitized word for cops beating, shooting and killing unarmed citizens (and a sadly predominant number are black). Those who use such sweet words for violent ILLEGAL actions by sworn 'peace' officers tend to have a very high bar for whites being racist. For some the bar is a video of a cop screaming the 'N' word while beating an unarmed black man. Or a cop having a foul racist facebook, or twitter accounts.

But systemic racism isn't that, it's a deeply engrained action in everyday life. I watch white couples look wary when they see a group of young blacks laughing a goofing walking toward them, just an eyeroll when it's white teens. I got an eyeopener a few years ago riding with my black vet buddy to get some cable ties for his audio visual cables (he is such a nerd). The cop stopped us because of an illegal lane change (I've driven over 40 years and the only time it happened to me was because my truck 'matched a description') he had a bushel basket of questions and went so far as to ask me to keep my hands on the dash and for my friend to step out. No reason was given and after a rather worthless session he gave my buddy a ticket and we could go. A 'high bar' white would say there must have been a reason, and no beating happened so what's the issue??? :roll:

The issue is I don't get that level of scrutiny when I get stopped for some traffic violation and I have been stopped going 10 over the speed limit, no rear license plate light, once I was stopped and forgot my wallet- going to plow so forgot it- and the deputy just asked where I lived and then laughed and told me to be more careful leaving the house. I can't really remember the last ticket I got, lots of warnings, no tickets.

Now about people reacting like they are- If this was the only unarmed black man who died with cops kneeling on his neck and side I don't think people would be reacting like they are. Fact is the black community is very aware of the constant drumbeat of unarmed black men killed by cops (whites tend to forget, one poster here claimed it was one every 4 years :doh )

If white unarmed men were being killed at the same percentage of population as blacks I seriously doubt white folks would sit idly by. I'd think as passionate as some are here many would be out in the streets demanding justice. Now throw in centuries of such murders from both the law and racist citizens and you really wonder why??? :confused:

Anyway it is difficult for white folks to understand racism if it isn't extremely blatant. I hope before another meltdown occurs we have a uniting government and some white folks serious about tryin g to understand driving while black, and a few centuries of degradation... :peace
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The problem with the police is they have to deal with the worst of society day in and and day out. That is why I got out. I am much happier with the gratification of remodeling someone's kitchen or bathroom. The gratification and the sense of accomplishment combined with the gratification from the people you work for is much nicer than some scum bag spitting in your face and doing everything they can to make you kick the crap out of them. The police in my opinion need mandatory counselling to keep their perspective. I am not afraid to admit that at some point one of those scum bags over time might have pushed me into beating the hell out of them one day. I am not a person that will tolerate the abuse you get from the criminals out there. It was the best move of my life getting out of police work and into construction. I have no regrets switching professions.
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I can't say I blame you; it must be difficult work having to deal with people in mainly in their worst selves. We have a cop in our family and in our conversations he often talks about how hard it is to divorce the instincts you need on the job from your every day life. He's told me it's nearly impossible to not be suspicious of people or to constantly be assessing risk factors wherever you go. I can somewhat relate in that it's a skill set I had to acquire growing up in 80s NYC. We also have a former corrections officer in the family, and some of the stories he's told us are pretty harrowing.

What I've been relieved to see are some cities moving back to more community based policing rather than the reactive tactics currently employed. I still remember the days of beat cops in NYC, and I knew the patrolmen because they would swing by my mother's beauty parlor or strike up conversations with the kids in the local pizza parlor. Even from a psychological perspective, it's got to be better having the encounters I just described to mix up the day rather than only responding to crises. Once that kind of policing ended, the change to a more adversarial relationship with he NYPD became the norm. For those of us caught in the middle of the drug plague in our neighborhood, we were all treated like criminals and felt like we had two threats to worry about: drug gangs and the police.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I have never said I justify the actions of the police officers if in fact the kneeling on the neck was enough to cause the death of the person. Even taser guns kill people with underlying health risks. Just the act wrestling a person into submission can lead to a heart attack or asphyxiation if they have problems or are on drugs.
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Cops are taught all the above, but like many other lessons, goes out the window out on the street. Several local deputies and cops told me when tasers were issued the younger LEOs use them far more frequently than veterans. They are taught tasers are less lethal tools, they are not non lethal. But younger cops were quicker for transitioning from de-escalation to confrontation because they have a taser.

Quite often when an arrest goes south the police claim 'resisting'. With everyone (but me) having a smart phone, body cams more in use many cop statements are found to be false.

LEOs are taught to look for signs of distress while effecting an arrest. They are taught how to respond to these signs. Some don't care or think their actions would be accepted as proper when the arrest sours.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
'Addressing'- such a nice sanitized word for cops beating, shooting and killing unarmed citizens (and a sadly predominant number are black). Those who use such sweet words for violent ILLEGAL actions by sworn 'peace' officers tend to have a very high bar for whites being racist. For some the bar is a video of a cop screaming the 'N' word while beating an unarmed black man. Or a cop having a foul racist facebook, or twitter accounts.

But systemic racism isn't that, it's a deeply engrained action in everyday life. I watch white couples look wary when they see a group of young blacks laughing a goofing walking toward them, just an eyeroll when it's white teens. I got an eyeopener a few years ago riding with my black vet buddy to get some cable ties for his audio visual cables (he is such a nerd). The cop stopped us because of an illegal lane change (I've driven over 40 years and the only time it happened to me was because my truck 'matched a description') he had a bushel basket of questions and went so far as to ask me to keep my hands on the dash and for my friend to step out. No reason was given and after a rather worthless session he gave my buddy a ticket and we could go. A 'high bar' white would say there must have been a reason, and no beating happened so what's the issue??? :roll:

The issue is I don't get that level of scrutiny when I get stopped for some traffic violation and I have been stopped going 10 over the speed limit, no rear license plate light, once I was stopped and forgot my wallet- going to plow so forgot it- and the deputy just asked where I lived and then laughed and told me to be more careful leaving the house. I can't really remember the last ticket I got, lots of warnings, no tickets.

Now about people reacting like they are- If this was the only unarmed black man who died with cops kneeling on his neck and side I don't think people would be reacting like they are. Fact is the black community is very aware of the constant drumbeat of unarmed black men killed by cops (whites tend to forget, one poster here claimed it was one every 4 years :doh )

If white unarmed men were being killed at the same percentage of population as blacks I seriously doubt white folks would sit idly by. I'd think as passionate as some are here many would be out in the streets demanding justice. Now throw in centuries of such murders from both the law and racist citizens and you really wonder why??? :confused:

Anyway it is difficult for white folks to understand racism if it isn't extremely blatant. I hope before another meltdown occurs we have a uniting government and some white folks serious about tryin g to understand driving while black, and a few centuries of degradation... :peace
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The stastics that I have been hearing dont support the claims your making. Not that I am big on stastics, just saying.

As far as police abuse goes. I am a firm believer that all cops should be required to have body cams turned on along with dashboard cams at all times. There should be video evidence of everything to address each complaint accordingly. As long as its one persons word against the others, the person of authority will win the argument. Imo that is the reform people should be arguing for.

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OrphanSlug said:
None of which is an excuse for a white police officer to use his knee to slowly kill an unarmed, handcuffed, and detained black male.

All these pathetic posts show is a passive acceptance of police brutality against minorities on your part.
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Which is no excuse for a police officer to use his knee to slowly kill and unarmed, handcuffed and detained male.

See how easy it was to make the point without race baiting?

Get this through your thick skull. There is no systemic racism in America toward black people these days. Every time a black criminal is confronted by law enforcement isn't racism. It rarely is. Why shouldn't the police be a bit extra wary of a demographic much more likely to be violent and law breaking? This is not racism it's common sense. Do you get more nervous when a pit bull or a lab approaches you? One has a reputation and like it or not it's earned.

Wan't to stop being profiled? Stop committing half the violent crime with an eighth of the numbers. And stop whining too. And trying to make me fell guilty about some ****. Just knock it off.
 
OrphanSlug said:
That is just it, no one is happy about all this.

But it is the right doing all they can to justify George Floyd's death.
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What does the Right have to justify? It was a liberal stronghold controlled and governed by liberal democrats for decades where this occurred. (It almost always is too) Why did they let it happen? Why was the police force under their control out of control? Why is it conservatives fault? Or Donald Trump for that matter?

You cannot answer these questions honestly without your entire narrative falling apart at the seams.

I know, I know, Orange Man Very Bad!!

Unless you have a mirror on site.
 
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