Lying Down While Black: 'Merka

Mr Person · May 28, 2020

Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/

"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.

It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

chuckiechan · May 28, 2020

Mr Person said:
Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/

"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.

It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

Good start for a book title about corrupt cops: “Black Like Gen. Flynn”. LOL!

Top Cat · May 28, 2020

Mr Person said:
Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/

"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.

It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

This is ****ing insanity. Not a lick of sense between them.

ecofarm · May 28, 2020

Athletes that take up awareness are called scum.

pinqy · May 28, 2020

Mr Person said:
Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/

"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.

It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

Top Cat · May 28, 2020

Poorly trained. DEESCALATE.

Top Cat · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

The kid was rightfully scared. He wasn't armed Clearly he was not a threat.

chuckiechan · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

You can hold a suspect down with a knee on his head, but not his neck. That is as dangerous as a chokehold. In fact in this case that is what appears happened. The knee on the neck cut off blood to his brain and he died. How could the cop or is dumb **** buddy not notice he was unconscious and limp.

Manc Skipper · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

Assaulting grandma didn't help.

Mr Person · May 28, 2020

Top Cat said:
This is ****ing insanity. Not a lick of sense between them.

It's as if they are trained in escalation not de-escalation. How about some common sense? How about keeping an eye out for the worst but not acting like the worst is coming from the start?

Hell, I'm white and I've had cops go ballistic on me. I was on a run one time and I didn't see a sign closing a sidewalk. Nothing was actually blocking the sidewalk. No cop was standing near the road to stop traffic so pedestrians could cross the street, as with every other time they close sidewalks (and usually block them off physically). There were some cones around the construction area. There was only one construction guy there, chatting on his cell. I run along, am passing the last truck, and suddenly a cop starts screaming at me.

Literally, screaming. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU? THE LAST PERSON THAT DID THAT ALMOST GOT HIT BY A TWO BY FOUR! (Gee, maybe if people keep not seeing your sign you should make things a little more obvious, asshole). Went on for minutes. I explain, well, I was running. I didn't see this sign you're talking about. I ended up having to just wait for him to finish his unhinged tirade. I said something like "ok. I hear you." Annnnnnd he just turns his back, so on I go. Naturally, I wanted to say more. But in America, that can get your brains bashed in.

Or the time a few years back. Wife is driving. We're coming back from a visit to the parents on the Cape. Heavy traffic. Some asshole gets right on our tail, turns on his brights, and stays 1-3 feet away. If we'd so much as tapped the breaks, he'd have hit us. Eventually a spot opens on the right so we pop over. But, as we do, my wife sticks her hand out the window and extends a well-deserved middle finger. Lights go on.

Yet another lunatic comes striding up to the window and starts screaming at her. "Sorry. I'm sorry" she keeps saying. He keeps screaming like the broken power-hungry doosh he is. He eventually gives her a ticket for "left lane travel" and "impeding an officer". But he put in parentheses "flicked me off". She wanted to argue it (I would have but I had argument that day or something). So I advised her to focus on our side, and particularly focus on the fact that he wrong "flicked me off" on the ticket: proof of the real reason for the ticket. (And to note the SCOTUS case saying you can curse at a cop like that).

But...she didn't have to. Magistrate looks at ticket, shows it to the cop they have there to defend all tickets for the day, they chuckle, and magistrates says something like "yeah, that guy's a jerk" and dismisses it (or whatever the term is for throwing out a ticket...I haven't actually gotten any myself).

So many interactions with cops and they are pointlessly aggressive. Just over-the-top aggressive. I'd wonder if they all took steroids except there are far too many spherical cops for that to be the case.

We're both white. I can only half-imagine what it would be like to be black in the same situations. No wonder the guy in the OP lay down.

Mr Person · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

If you look at the situation and don't see anything to complain about, I don't know what to tell you. Their behavior was completely over the top given the situation. They acted like they were trained to escalate everything, not de-escalate it.

And what the ultimate disposition of the case is is irrelevant to the thread, since the thread is about the behavior of the police on the scene. Relatedly, the behavior of similar cops on similar scenes throughout the country.

They act like they're going into a hot landing zone when it's some guy too scared to walk so he lies down. I don't want that in my country. I want cool-headed, intelligent, compassionate police officers. And sure, pay them better and the like for what we demand.

I expect better of law enforcement. Instead Americans are all to happy to give them a pass on things that you or I would go to jail in a heartbeat for.

Did you not watch the video in the article? He's limp, not moving, etc., and they've got guns pointed everywhere, etc. It's crazy. Grandma passes out. Cops are blocking people from helping her for a while until just one of them has the sense not to be a psychotic asshole and lets one of the granddaughters elbow him out of the way. All the civilians are terrified because - duh - they're black, and this is who black people die at cop hands.

What the hell is wrong with America that people can look at that video and say "yeah, that all seems reasonable for a stop sign violation"?

I swear, one of the most beneficial technologies for human beings would be the ability to have your consciousness temporarily transferred or altered such that you really could experience a slice of life from someone else's perspective. Have a couple of mandatory uses through youth. See how the various "other sides" live.

truthatallcost · May 28, 2020

Mr Person said:
Facedown on his grandmother’s grassy Texas lawn, a young black man cried as officers pointed guns at him for his alleged failure to heed a stop sign. Neighbors and loved ones watching his May 16 arrest called for 21-year-old Tye Anders to put his hands down and screamed at officers for having their firearms ready. “He’s scared. Y’all have guns on him. He’s black,” one woman called out to the officers. “Do y’all not see how many black people are getting shot?” Police wanted Anders to walk toward them while they had their guns drawn, but Anders refused. “I’m scared,” he shrieked. His 90-year-old grandmother, dressed in a cream-colored nightgown, exited her brick home and stood by her wailing grandson with a walking stick in her left hand. “We just need him to comply so we can talk to him,” an officer said, according to dash-cam footage released by the City of Midland. Four officers moved closer to the pair to arrest Anders, with another one nearby with gun in hand. Anders’s grandmother fell during the arrest and chaos ensued.
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Anders is facing a felony evading charge. Police were trying to initiate a traffic stop for Anders’s alleged failure to stop at a traffic sign but he continued to drive to his grandmother’s house, according to a statement provided by Midland Public Information Officer Erin Bailey. Officers repeatedly instructed Anders to exit his car. When he did, instead of cooperating by walking toward them, “he stopped and laid on the ground,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ther-video-shows-they-claim-he-ran-stop-sign/

"The suspect approached me" is one of many typical excuses for shooting. "He should have complied," the usual suspects usually say. This guy knew that. This guy knows about all the black people killed (or beaten then charged with resisting arrest). He was ****ing his pants. So he lies down to show he is no threat.

Felony evading charge for this? He did stop. He did get out. The one thing he didn't do is walk towards cops who were pointing guns at him.

It's sickening that one can say in all seriousness "at least they didn't start shooting." What is wrong with the police in this country? I know people all around the world. I never hear about this kind of insanity happening with any regularity in other European countries, etc. It's ridiculous.

Can he sue? How much money is he entitled to, after his lawyer takes 60%? Is that why you're interested in the story?

Bodi · May 28, 2020

Top Cat said:
This is ****ing insanity. Not a lick of sense between them.

Remember that kid that was shot and killed by a SWAT Team in the hallway? Where they wearing screaming "I will kill you" and made him crawl backwards on his hands and knees towards them? Backwards crawling? What the ****? There are some truly evil scum bag piece of **** cops out there that get away with this ****... worse, people at DP and elsewhere commend them for killing innocent unarmed people.

pinqy · May 28, 2020

Top Cat said:
The kid was rightfully scared. He wasn't armed Clearly he was not a threat.

No that was not clear to me. They were trying to pull him over for running a stop sign. He drove for two more blocks and pulled into a driveway. The cops asked him to step out. They asked him to roll down his window (no guns were drawn) After 6 minutes of refusal to get out, they did draw their guns and he finally does and starts screaming at the cops. Traffic stops can be extremely dangerous for cops and refusal to get out, refusal to comply, screaming and not listening? You cannot say he was clearly not a threat. They could not know that.

Here’s the video...watch it and tell me how he was clearly not a threat

Bodi · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

They all pulled out their guns and instead of going towards a kid laying on the ground with arms out they demanded that he stand back up (how ****ing stupid is that) so that they can create a threat. It is literally stupid.

ecofarm said:
Athletes that take up awareness are called scum.

Actually they are called son's of bitches...

pinqy · May 28, 2020

Mr Person said:
If you look at the situation and don't see anything to complain about, I don't know what to tell you. Their behavior was completely over the top given the situation. They acted like they were trained to escalate everything, not de-escalate it.

And what the ultimate disposition of the case is is irrelevant to the thread, since the thread is about the behavior of the police on the scene. Relatedly, the behavior of similar cops on similar scenes throughout the country.

They act like they're going into a hot landing zone when it's some guy too scared to walk so he lies down. I don't want that in my country. I want cool-headed, intelligent, compassionate police officers. And sure, pay them better and the like for what we demand.

I expect better of law enforcement. Instead Americans are all to happy to give them a pass on things that you or I would go to jail in a heartbeat for.

You make it sound like they immediately drew weapons in a felony stop and he immediately got out and lay down acting clearly scared. That is not the case. Here’s the full video....how the hell can you call that going in like a hot lz?

SkyFox76 · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
It’s not clear to me what if anything you are claiming the police did wrong. They seem to have done everything correctly. What the ultimate charge or disporion of the case is in the future.

You really don't see the major over reaction there for nothing more than running a stop sign? I mean that cop sounded foolish screaming for him to step out of the car and saying "you ran a stop sign!!!" :doh

Top Cat · May 28, 2020

Mr Person said:
It's as if they are trained in escalation not de-escalation. How about some common sense? How about keeping an eye out for the worst but not acting like the worst is coming from the start?

Hell, I'm white and I've had cops go ballistic on me. I was on a run one time and I didn't see a sign closing a sidewalk. Nothing was actually blocking the sidewalk. No cop was standing near the road to stop traffic so pedestrians could cross the street, as with every other time they close sidewalks (and usually block them off physically). There were some cones around the construction area. There was only one construction guy there, chatting on his cell. I run along, am passing the last truck, and suddenly a cop starts screaming at me.

Literally, screaming. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING? WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU? THE LAST PERSON THAT DID THAT ALMOST GOT HIT BY A TWO BY FOUR! (Gee, maybe if people keep not seeing your sign you should make things a little more obvious, asshole). Went on for minutes. I explain, well, I was running. I didn't see this sign you're talking about. I ended up having to just wait for him to finish his unhinged tirade. I said something like "ok. I hear you." Annnnnnd he just turns his back, so on I go. Naturally, I wanted to say more. But in America, that can get your brains bashed in.

Or the time a few years back. Wife is driving. We're coming back from a visit to the parents on the Cape. Heavy traffic. Some asshole gets right on our tail, turns on his brights, and stays 1-3 feet away. If we'd so much as tapped the breaks, he'd have hit us. Eventually a spot opens on the right so we pop over. But, as we do, my wife sticks her hand out the window and extends a well-deserved middle finger. Lights go on.

Yet another lunatic comes striding up to the window and starts screaming at her. "Sorry. I'm sorry" she keeps saying. He keeps screaming like the broken power-hungry doosh he is. He eventually gives her a ticket for "left lane travel" and "impeding an officer". But he put in parentheses "flicked me off". She wanted to argue it (I would have but I had argument that day or something). So I advised her to focus on our side, and particularly focus on the fact that he wrong "flicked me off" on the ticket: proof of the real reason for the ticket. (And to note the SCOTUS case saying you can curse at a cop like that).

But...she didn't have to. Magistrate looks at ticket, shows it to the cop they have there to defend all tickets for the day, they chuckle, and magistrates says something like "yeah, that guy's a jerk" and dismisses it (or whatever the term is for throwing out a ticket...I haven't actually gotten any myself).

So many interactions with cops and they are pointlessly aggressive. Just over-the-top aggressive. I'd wonder if they all took steroids except there are far too many spherical cops for that to be the case.

We're both white. I can only half-imagine what it would be like to be black in the same situations. No wonder the guy in the OP lay down.

Your wife sounds like a pistol.

Lutherf · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
No that was not clear to me. They were trying to pull him over for running a stop sign. He drove for two more blocks and pulled into a driveway. The cops asked him to step out. They asked him to roll down his window (no guns were drawn) After 6 minutes of refusal to get out, they did draw their guns and he finally does and starts screaming at the cops. Traffic stops can be extremely dangerous for cops and refusal to get out, refusal to comply, screaming and not listening? You cannot say he was clearly not a threat. They could not know that.

Here’s the video...watch it and tell me how he was clearly not a threat

Well, if you're a Trump supporter and watched that video then you clearly saw the driver run a stop sign, continue to drive after lights and sirens came on and then freak out on the cops.

If you're a social justice advocate then you clearly saw the cop profile a black man that did nothing wrong, assault his grandmother, and brutally attack him because of his race.

pinqy · May 28, 2020

Bodhisattva said:
They all pulled out their guns and instead of going towards a kid laying on the ground with arms out they demanded that he stand back up (how ****ing stupid is that) so that they can create a threat. It is literally stupid.

He didn’t pull over when they tried to stop him. He sat in the car for six minutes while they tried to talk him out rather than approach and create a situation. They did not draw their guns until he did get out and they had no idea what he would do. When he finally does get out, he yells, and screams, does not listen. He eventually gets on his knees instead of complying and then goes flat.
They did not know he was unarmed and lying on your stomach does not make you defenseless.

Top Cat · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
No that was not clear to me. They were trying to pull him over for running a stop sign. He drove for two more blocks and pulled into a driveway. The cops asked him to step out. They asked him to roll down his window (no guns were drawn) After 6 minutes of refusal to get out, they did draw their guns and he finally does and starts screaming at the cops. Traffic stops can be extremely dangerous for cops and refusal to get out, refusal to comply, screaming and not listening? You cannot say he was clearly not a threat. They could not know that.

Here’s the video...watch it and tell me how he was clearly not a threat

He had his hands up and the cop kept yelling "show me your hands" Once he laid down he put his hands in front him where they could see them. And that somehow wasn't enough to deescalate?

SkyFox76 · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
No that was not clear to me. They were trying to pull him over for running a stop sign. He drove for two more blocks and pulled into a driveway. The cops asked him to step out. They asked him to roll down his window (no guns were drawn) After 6 minutes of refusal to get out, they did draw their guns and he finally does and starts screaming at the cops. Traffic stops can be extremely dangerous for cops and refusal to get out, refusal to comply, screaming and not listening? You cannot say he was clearly not a threat. They could not know that.

Here’s the video...watch it and tell me how he was clearly not a threat

You know it's interesting that the pd car is following an at the intersection where the stop sign is you clearly see the pd car get closer to the Charger.

Aside from that it's still a massive over reaction for the horrible horrible crime of running a stop sign.

pinqy · May 28, 2020

SkyFox76 said:
How really don't see the major over reaction there for nothing more than running a stop sign? I mean that cop sounded foolish screaming for him to step out of the car and saying "you ran a stop sign!!!" :doh

The reaction wasn’t for running a stop sign, was it? It was for acting extremely suspiciously and refusing all commands. Telling him he ran a stop sign was in answer to his asking why he was stopped. And he continued asking even after they told him.

Bodi · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
He didn’t pull over when they tried to stop him. He sat in the car for six minutes while they tried to talk him out rather than approach and create a situation. They did not draw their guns until he did get out and they had no idea what he would do. When he finally does get out, he yells, and screams, does not listen. He eventually gets on his knees instead of complying and then goes flat.
They did not know he was unarmed and lying on your stomach does not make you defenseless.

I think that I was wrong but I can't watch that video right now...

Mr Person · May 28, 2020

pinqy said:
No that was not clear to me. They were trying to pull him over for running a stop sign. He drove for two more blocks and pulled into a driveway. The cops asked him to step out. They asked him to roll down his window (no guns were drawn) After 6 minutes of refusal to get out, they did draw their guns and he finally does and starts screaming at the cops. Traffic stops can be extremely dangerous for cops and refusal to get out, refusal to comply, screaming and not listening? You cannot say he was clearly not a threat. They could not know that.

Here’s the video...watch it and tell me how he was clearly not a threat

I don't need your link to a video. There was a video in the article I linked.

I can say he clearly was not a threat because he did stop at the house, he did get out, and then he lay down and didn't move a muscle. If one cop wanted to be ready with a gun, I'd still say it was a bit much. But what ended up happening was insane given the tame situation.

The fact that someone didn't open a door right away doesn't mean they are a threat, and it's intellectually dishonest to try to use claims about what a cop "could not know" to defend over-the-top behavior. Too many times have white people excused the deaths of black people by saying things like "well, the cop could not have known he did not have a gun." You cannot say that in any seriousness, unless your intention is to give the police a blank check. You can always look in hindsight at a situation and find things the cops "could not know", then use it as a defense.

What cops do know is the only reasonable measure, and when you've got someone who is laying flat on the ground you don't need to keep escalating. A guy who committed the horribly violent crime of not fully stopping at a stop sign.

And they're pointing guns everywhere because he won't get up and do the exact thing they've used as an excuse so many times: that the suspect was walking towards them and they "did not know" that he would not do anything.

It really is amazing to me the way so-called freedom loving Americans, proud of their rights, loving of their constitution, completely betray claimed principles when it comes to cops and people cops think did something wrong. Similarly, the way they'll jump into articles about prison conditions and say "who cares? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime." The measure of how just and free is is how that society treats its prisoners, its suspects.

As if somehow, the concept of rights disappears the moment a cop thinks you did something wrong. Well, I say "you", but we know the other mental trickery going on: I'm not a criminal so I have rights, but they are criminals so I don't care. Which is an insult to the concept of right.

Lutherf said:
Well, if you're a Trump supporter and watched that video then you clearly saw the driver run a stop sign, continue to drive after lights and sirens came on and then freak out on the cops. If you're a social justice advocate then you clearly saw the cop profile a black man that did nothing wrong, assault his grandmother, and brutally attack him because of his race.

The voice of "rights for me, nothing for you." The voice of "I'm white, so this won't happen to me."

The voice of a poster who has cried oceans of dishonest tears for a white Trumpist called Flynn.

I wish you people would be honest for once: you don't care because as a white man, it would be very unlikely to happen to you. Well, unless they bust into your house after getting the address wrong on a no-knock warrant and blast you away because they thought you might be reaching for something and could not know it was not a gun.

You won't care unless it happens to you or one of your own.

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Just waiting for my set...

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He's the most tip top

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