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    Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    The question is not whether he was innocent. Rather, was he guilty beyond any reasonable doubt? I say no.

    With his last statement, Barton again declared his innocence as he always had. He had never confessed, always maintained his innocence and it took 5 trials to get a conviction.

    This was the only evidence against him:
    1. A blood stain on his clothing. A witnesses testified this happened when he lifted a grandchild off the victim, which the grandchild confirmed. The "blood spatter" claim was later discounted by experts - only leaving a

    2. A jailhouse snitch - who so much committed perjury in exchange for a deal that a mistrial was called. However, this same jailhouse snitch who committed perjury was used in the subsequent (5th) trial in which he was convicted.

    Put simply, he was executed upon the sole testimony of a jailhouse snitch who knowingly committed perjury against Barton in exchange for a deal with the prosecution.

    There was no other evidence. The prosecution team was found to have witheld evidence and it was learned had previously sent 4 innocent men to prison for a total of 60 years. Other judges had found the prosecution team had knowingly presented false testimony and withheld evidence in other cases.

    At least 3 of the jurors who convicted him said they would not have done so if they had heard the new evidence, heard of the flaws in the "blood splatter" theory or had known the jailhouse snitch previously had been caught lying in a previous trial.

    The US Supreme Court ruled that any new expert evidence and prosecution misconduct and his guilt or innocence is all irrelevant because that all should have been taken care of in the trial, for which being innocent, having an incompetent attorney and corrupt prosecutors are all irrelevant.

    It is significant and deeply troubling that the SCOTUS ruled innocence or guilt is irrelevant in a death penalty case and only trial procedure matters, with prosecution misconduct and lawyer incompetence all are irrelevant. Life and guilt is irrelevant to the SCOTUS. Only legal proceduralism matters, with the actual accused irrelevant to anything. It is only about lawyers and judges to the SCOTUS, not the accused.

    Barton's last words were that he was innocent and they were executing an innocent man. If the sole testimony of a person in prison in exchange for a deal can get anyone executed, then anyone can be convicted of anything any police department or DA wants to convict - guilt irrelevant to anything. Most people in prison will say anything in exchange for getting out earlier.

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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    Whether he's guilty or not, the state should not be in the business of executing its citizens. There have been countless numbers of cases where someone was exonerated after execution by new evidence or technology, but that's a bell that can never be un-rung. From the financial aspect, it's not significantly cheaper than keeping someone in life imprisonment. I deeply believe that some people are evil and deserve to die, but that's my opinion as an individual and the state should not have that power and it should be above emotion and vengeance.

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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Whether he's guilty or not, the state should not be in the business of executing its citizens.
    Over ten thousand people are executed in the US every year. I fail to see how we would benefit from stopping the small handful that are explicitly state sanctioned.
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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    The judicial branch of government is at least as corrupt as the other two branches.

    Walter Barton's case is a perfect example of that. I am familiar with another case equally egregious. There is no rule of law in this country.

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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    This is the kind of thing Trumpists who pretend to make a big fuss about a sophisticated defendant with connections who plead guilty (Flynn) would care about IF they meant even 1/100th of the thing they said about wanting justice.

    An innocent guy executed? They don't care. And if any stop by to say they do it will only because of this comment. We know they've posted countless posts and threads about the supposed injustice being done to Flynn. They'd have made even more noise about wrongful convictions and wrongful executions if they actually cared about justice.
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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    This kind of thing doesn't get enough attention. Bringing it up is too often mistaken for being "soft on crime" or some such nonsense.

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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    The judicial branch of government is at least as corrupt as the other two branches.

    Walter Barton's case is a perfect example of that. I am familiar with another case equally egregious. There is no rule of law in this country.
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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    One reason that I'm an advocate of life in solitary confinement instead of the death penalty.

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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    One reason that I'm an advocate of life in solitary confinement instead of the death penalty.
    Solitary is torture, one of the worse forms of it too. If you doubt that, empty a walk in closet and see how long you can stand to stay in it.
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    Re: Was executed Barton guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Solitary is torture, one of the worse forms of it too. If you doubt that, empty a walk in closet and see how long you can stand to stay in it.
    Agree to disagree. People are held in solitary routinely in the U.S. and the courts allow it. And unlike the death penalty you can let them go and compensate them if they turn out to be not guilty.

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