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Man Paroled over Coronavirus Concerns Charged in Slaying

HonestJoe said:
I question how much this really has to do with coronavirus. The article points out that he has been eligible for parole since 2017 and was due to be automatically released this August. It's also worth noting that his conviction was "only" for robbery, suggesting the new offence could be an escalation rather than a continuation.

So doesn't all that suggest this just yet another example of a failure of the US criminal justice system to even try to rehabilitate criminals and an abject failure to manage parolees in general, regardless of when or why they're released? You can't simply lock every convicted criminal up for life so there has to be much more effort put in to rehabilitation, preventing re-offending and indeed preventing offending by vulnerable people in the first place.
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Wow, could you be more desperate to defend a murderer? It's the prison's fault! They made him a murderer!! Typical for Democrats. Defend the criminals. Blame the victims. Blame society.
 
mr person said:
because taac and emnseattle cry rivers when the police murder a black man they mistook for a suspect and they were skeered he might have a gun.


We all know exactly what's going on here.
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^ desperate to try to derail this thread to hide the truth.
 
digitusmedius said:
Well, I certainly hit all of your understandably raw nerves. He was an incarcerated non-violent offender in jail at risk for getting a death sentence by covid-19. Did you object to Manafort's release for the same reason? His crimes were much more serious and numerous than this guy's.
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No, Manifort's crimes were not more serious.
 
digitusmedius said:
And we have no reason to believe you're one of them as opposed to the usual rightwing type who likes to use her death to push their "lynch 'em all" solution to crime. Of course, that seems to apply only to perps of color since you're already on record here of trying every usual and thin excuse to justify the murder of Ahmaud Arbery by three white men. You people must think we don't know who you are despite generations of meeting your kind time and time again.
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You continuously prove you are incapable or unwilling to discuss any topic.
 
digitusmedius said:
So, the release happens 3 weeks before the killing. Haney had been in jail for 4 years for robbery (article doesn't indicate that it was aggravated by any violence or being armed or even if it was of a person rather than a place) and the article doesn't indicate that he had a history of violence. But you're claiming that somehow the DoC should have been able to divine that he would commit a murder (allegedly--he hasn't been tried much less convicted yet except by people like you). I suspect your solution to this would be to lynch now and get the conviction later, right?
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Desperate to defend a murderer - and falsely at that. He was not convicted of burglary, but robbery - meaning a person, not a building. Robbery is a violent crime, whether someone is physically hurt or not.
 
Integrityrespec said:
This story just further proves Masks don't work. If they did work we wouldn't let criminals out of jail, we would just give them mask.
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Thanks for so boldly demonstrating your ignorance for the purpose of a mask. Masks are not worn to protect the wearer from the virus but to protect everyone else in case the wearer might carry the virus. Putting a mask on a prisoners and leaving them in jail wouldn't make a bit of sense since the mask would not be of any value.
 
digitusmedius said:
Well, I certainly hit all of your understandably raw nerves. He was an incarcerated non-violent offender in jail at risk for getting a death sentence by covid-19. Did you object to Manafort's release for the same reason? His crimes were much more serious and numerous than this guy's.
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Why are you defending the killer of the young woman? Manafort lied and laundered money. This criminal you defend robbed people.
 
joko104 said:
So you agree that masks and social distancing doesn't work, don't you?
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What makes you post such ridiculous things like that, joko? Do you enjoy being ridiculed?
 
digitusmedius said:
Thanks for so boldly demonstrating your ignorance for the purpose of a mask. Masks are not worn to protect the wearer from the virus but to protect everyone else in case the wearer might carry the virus. Putting a mask on a prisoners and leaving them in jail wouldn't make a bit of sense since the mask would not be of any value.
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You may believe that, I believe masks can save lives. And the authorities owe it to convicts to protect them. I get why they released this criminal. But they sure misjudged how he would operate as a free man.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Why are you defending the killer of the young woman? Manafort lied and laundered money. This criminal you defend robbed people.
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First off, much as you people love to convict a black man without a trial the system still gives him a trial. Secondly, we don't know the nature of his robbery charge. It may not have involved directly confronting people. It might have been a break-in with no people around. His seven year sentence suggests there were no aggravating circumstances. He was also scheduled for mandatory release for anyway on August 22 so letting him out in order to prevent covid-19 spread in the jails was a smart move at the time unless you think the authorities should have know the future.

Manafort on the other hand was convicted of 8 felonies with sentencing guideline ranges of 19-24 years. He ended up getting only a 7½ year sentence while Haney received 7 year sentence so it's pretty clear who the bigger criminal was and it wasn't Haney. It's a sure bet that Manafort also will not have to go back to jail even when the covid risk is over. IOW, stop the lying.
 
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a wonderful fallacy of false equivalency

joko104 said:
No it's not. It proves that governor doesn't believe what the governor has ordered imposed on everyone. Masks and social distancing doesn't protect anyone.
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Of course they do, and you know that.
 
So many on the far right here create an environment encouraging their harassment for what they write.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Why is that your purpose in posting? Why ridicule any poster?
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Among other things to call out the liars and morons when they come here thinking they can get away with lying and stupidity.
 
joko104 said:
Wow, could you be more desperate to defend a murderer? It's the prison's fault! They made him a murderer!! Typical for Democrats. Defend the criminals. Blame the victims. Blame society.
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I didn't defend the murderer. I didn't say prison made him a murderer. I'm not a Democrat (I'm not even American). I'm not blaming victims. I'm not blaming society. You literally couldn't be more wrong.
 
Robertinfremont said:
You may believe that, I believe masks can save lives. And the authorities owe it to convicts to protect them. I get why they released this criminal. But they sure misjudged how he would operate as a free man.
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I "believe" that because it's true:
In light of new data about how COVID-19 spreads, along with evidence of widespread COVID-19 illness in communities across the country, CDC recommends that people wear a cloth face covering to cover their nose and mouth in the community setting. This is an additional public health measure people should take to reduce the spread of COVID-19 in addition to (not instead of) social distancing, frequent hand cleaning and other everyday preventive actions. A cloth face covering is not intended to protect the wearer, but may prevent the spread of virus from the wearer to others. This would be especially important in the event that someone is infected but does not have symptoms. A cloth face covering should be worn whenever people must go into public settings (grocery stores, for example). Medical masks and N-95 respirators are reserved for healthcare workers and other first responders, as recommended by current CDC guidance.
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And if you mean by "misjudged" not having the ability to see into the future then yes. As far as I can find, there was no history of violence in Haney's past. So, as usual, it's so easy for your type to try to exploit these tragic events to some social or political advantage and always holding up the officials involved to a far greater standard than you do for yourselves or politicians you support.
 
HonestJoe said:
I didn't defend the murderer. I didn't say prison made him a murderer. I'm not a Democrat (I'm not even American). I'm not blaming victims. I'm not blaming society. You literally couldn't be more wrong.
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Oh, just wait. Joko will always find a way to be more wrong.
 
digitusmedius said:
First off, much as you people love to convict a black man without a trial the system still gives him a trial. Secondly, we don't know the nature of his robbery charge. It may not have involved directly confronting people. It might have been a break-in with no people around. His seven year sentence suggests there were no aggravating circumstances. He was also scheduled for mandatory release for anyway on August 22 so letting him out in order to prevent covid-19 spread in the jails was a smart move at the time unless you think the authorities should have know the future.

Manafort on the other hand was convicted of 8 felonies with sentencing guideline ranges of 19-24 years. He ended up getting only a 7½ year sentence while Haney received 7 year sentence so it's pretty clear who the bigger criminal was and it wasn't Haney. It's a sure bet that Manafort also will not have to go back to jail even when the covid risk is over. IOW, stop the lying.
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That claim by you is flat wrong. I do not like to convict any innocent human. And color is not what I go by thank you.

Robbery involves the victim, the human being.

Elements of Robbery
The crime of robbery involves (1) the taking of the property of another (2) from his or her person or in their presence (3) by violence, intimidation or threat (4) with the intent to deprive them of it permanently. Robbery is thus distinct from the crime of larceny in two important ways.Apr 25, 2018

Manafort did commit crimes but not against persons. His crimes were deemed to be federal crimes but not against persons, but the government.

I don't lie pal but your post has lies about me in your post.

Manafort's crimes also took place in Ukraine.
 
digitusmedius said:
I "believe" that because it's true:


And if you mean by "misjudged" not having the ability to see into the future then yes. As far as I can find, there was no history of violence in Haney's past. So, as usual, it's so easy for your type to try to exploit these tragic events to some social or political advantage and always holding up the officials involved to a far greater standard than you do for yourselves or politicians you support.
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I have no idea why you blasted me.

Seriously, I am not your problem.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I have no idea why you blasted me.

Seriously, I am not your problem.
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You mean apart from the fact that you've already declared the man guilty without knowing the facts of the case or waiting for a trial to happen and then using this woman's death as a cudgel against people who could have had no idea that his release might have resulted in her death?
 
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Robertinfremont said:
That claim by you is flat wrong. I do not like to convict any innocent human. And color is not what I go by thank you.




Manafort did commit crimes but not against persons. His crimes were deemed to be federal crimes but not against persons, but the government.

I don't lie pal but your post has lies about me in your post.

Manafort's crimes also took place in Ukraine.
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That false. Manafort's crimes took place right here in the USA he was defrauding US banks and other sources to get money for his own personal lavish lifestyle as well as to use for illegal overseas schemes. You regularly post lies like that and expect people to blow you kisses?

And just a heads-up for you: calling somebody "pal" sarcastically can get you dinged here. I can personally attest to that.

And you are right that you're not my problem. You're a much bigger problem than that.
 
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digitusmedius said:
You mean apart from the fact that you've already declared the man guilty without knowing the facts of the case or waiting for a trial to happen and then using this woman's death as a cudgel against people who could have had no idea that his release might have resulted in her death?
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What? I lack authority to do any of that other than to offer my personal opinion as noticed by his arrest. Do you seriously think he is innocent? Because he is black?
 
joko104 said:
True. Releasing criminals because of covid-19 proves such governors don't believe a damn lie they tell.
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You do know that the prison environment is ideal for spreading the virus and masks may help but not enough for prisons. It's pretty hard to wear a mask while eating for example. I know this takes thinking but you do still have a brain in there somewhere.
 
digitusmedius said:
That false. Manafort's crimes took place right here in the USA he was defrauding US banks and other sources to get money for his own personal lavish lifestyle as well as to use for illegal overseas schemes. You regularly post lies like that and expect people to blow you kisses?

And just a heads-up for you: calling somebody "pal" sarcastically can get you dinged here. I can personally attest to that.

And you are right that you're not my problem. You're a much bigger problem than that.
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I was not being sarcastic. I see no reason why we can't be pals. I am not your problem nor a much bigger problem.
 
Robertinfremont said:
What? I lack authority to do any of that other than to offer my personal opinion as noticed by his arrest. Do you seriously think he is innocent? Because he is black?
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Do you think he is the first person to commit a crime after being released from jail? He was due to be released in August anyway.
 
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