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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    I don’t know the ins and outs of the law in that jurisdiction, do you? I assume that in some places it could be criminal.
    I know enough to know that simply calling someone a name, by itself, is not a crime anywhere in the United States. Your assumption is your own problem.

    It is apparently a crime to say words that suggest an threat on the president, like the old saying, “Where is Oswald when we need him?,” said in reference to LBJ or Nixon.
    Again, we are talking about simple racist statements, not threats

    Someone should ask what the chief meant in this regard.
    I linked to her tweet. Go ahead and ask.

    By the way, that AOC quote has been debunked.
    No, it hasn't. It's been backpedaled and hand-waved, but it hasn't been debunked.

    She sure does drive conservatives crazy. I think they are in love...
    If criticizing is the criteria for being in love, you must masturbate to images of Donald Trump on an hourly basis.
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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    Look up the law on harassment as I did.
    It is protected by the 1st amendment.
    there is nothing the police can do.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    So cops at a gathering should say and do nothing when people are yelling epithets at one another? You do realize this often results in fights, donít you? I remember years ago cops telling me and other guys to break it up when we were hurling insults at one another on a street corner. We moved on. Seems like good police work to me even then.
    Why do you people add stuff that is not involved with what she said. She said nothing about yelling or anything else.
    she said name calling.

    Which should be a priority to a cop someone getting assaulted or someone calling you a mean name?
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    I know enough to know that simply calling someone a name, by itself, is not a crime anywhere in the United States. Your assumption is your own problem.


    Again, we are talking about simple racist statements, not threats

    ++ Wash State law defines assault as "the putting another person in aprehension of harm, whether or not the actor intends to inflict harm." I don't know that a DA or would consider prosecution or if a jury would convict, but the definition suggests to me that she was on firm ground.


    I linked to her tweet. Go ahead and ask.

    ++ I would believe some sources that knocked her in their reporting if they had a record of denouncing hate crimes.

    No, it hasn't. It's been backpedaled and hand-waved, but it hasn't been debunked.

    ++ I found sources that said this was nothing.


    If criticizing is the criteria for being in love, you must masturbate to images of Donald Trump on an hourly basis.
    ++ Ewwww... My point has been conservatives hostility to her from the beginning.

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    It is protected by the 1st amendment.
    there is nothing the police can do.
    I gather you didn't look up the law... Try the state's definition of assault, or the (unrelated to this case) shouting fire in a crowded theater issue. If the police arrived they would no doubt tell him to shut up and leave that black person alone, and apply whatever statute applies, perhaps assault.

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Why do you people add stuff that is not involved with what she said. She said nothing about yelling or anything else.
    she said name calling.

    Which should be a priority to a cop someone getting assaulted or someone calling you a mean name?
    Duh, someone getting assaulted. Look up the state's definition of assault.

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Hmm. Is this the future of the country? Minorities promoted to positions of power using their office to instruct citizens to report racist words to busy 911 dispatchers? The worst weeks of coronavirus are ahead, and sad to say, but you're on your own people. You cannot count on inept adult-babies like the Chief of Police for Seattle.
    I thought I already replied to this thread. Is this a duplicate?

    Anyway, I wonder what the moron chief Carmen would say if a white person called 911 for a black calling them a cracker?
    A Joe Biden type remark:

    "People are dying who haven't died before."

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    Wash State law defines assault as "the putting another person in aprehension of harm, whether or not the actor intends to inflict harm." I don't know that a DA or would consider prosecution or if a jury would convict, but the definition suggests to me that she was on firm ground.
    Using a definition of "aprehension [sic] of harm" as loose as yours allows for any person, no matter how insanely delicate, to file assault charges for any perceived slight. Call someone the n-word? Assault. Call them a dork? Assault. Stare daggers at them? Assault. Look at them cross-eyed? Assault. Walk by them on the street without saying hello? Assault. Walk by them on the street and say hello? Assault. The charge has to be supported by a reasonable fear of harm. Name-calling is not now, nor has it ever been, by itself, sufficient to support such a charge in any jurisdiction in the US. Go ahead and find a conviction that was upheld against a person who called someone else a mean name and there were no other aggravating factors (such as an order of protection).

    I would believe some sources that knocked her in their reporting if they had a record of denouncing hate crimes.
    You don't have to believe them. The twit was linked in my last post for you to click on and read with your own eyes.

    I found sources that said this was nothing.
    Of course you did. That would be the backpedaling and hand-waving.

    Ewwww... My point has been conservatives hostility to her from the beginning.
    Yeah, and? My point stands.

    By the way, learn how to properly use the quote function, please. When you use it incorrectly, as you did in your last post it not only makes it very difficult to read and reply to using the reply with quote function, it also is incredibly rude, as it inserts your words into a segment of the post that is allegedly quoting me.
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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    Yeah, shame on her for encouraging people to report hate crimes...
    ....and ignore other serious crimes.

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    Re: Black Police Chief Urges People dial 911 for Racism , But Burglars Are Free to Rob and Steal

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    I gather you didn't look up the law... Try the state's definition of assault, or the (unrelated to this case) shouting fire in a crowded theater issue. If the police arrived they would no doubt tell him to shut up and leave that black person alone, and apply whatever statute applies, perhaps assault.
    It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote - The Atlantic

    In 1969, the Supreme Court's decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio effectively overturned Schenck and any authority the case still carried. There, the Court held that inflammatory speech--and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan--is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (emphasis mine).

    Today, despite the "crowded theater" quote's legal irrelevance, advocates of censorship have not stopped trotting it out as thefinal word on the lawful limits of the First Amendment. As Rottman wrote, for this reason, it's "worse than useless in defining the boundaries of constitutional speech. When used metaphorically, it can be deployed against any unpopular speech."

    You don't know what you are talking about. U.S. v. Schenck has been overturned for 40 years and still today the brendburg case still holds precendent.
    so your fire in a theater is no longer valid.

    I don't need to read anything on assault but assault deals with physical violence. words are not physical violence.
    Yes they could tell him to stop yelling that is about it. if he continues to yell and scream then he could be charged for
    disorderly conduct or public disturbance.

    he cannot be arrested for calling someone a name. also there is no indication that the person is yelling.
    she simply said name calling which is not a crime.
    facts don't care about your feelings.

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