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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It could be an act of war, but the Mexican government has not declared war on the United States so it is a moot point
    So I guess if you want to murder somebody just shoot across a border and it's free of consequences.
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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So I guess if you want to murder somebody just shoot across a border and it's free of consequences.
    No, actually the US Government could still arrest him and try him for homicide (obviously facts would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt). Quick googles seem to reveal that there was a fair amount of rock throwing going on.
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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A person sues in the country where the civil or criminal offense occurred. It happened in Mexico. Sue in Mexico.
    The offense began when the BP Officer fired his weapon due to some rocks being thrown
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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    No, actually the US Government could still arrest him and try him for homicide (obviously facts would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt). Quick googles seem to reveal that there was a fair amount of rock throwing going on.
    Israelis can kill Palestinian kids for throwing rocks in the Occupied Territories so I guess the Americans can do it too.

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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Precisely, it IS a potential casus belli. That's EXACTLY why the Judicial Branch can render NO OPINION on it.

    Of course we are not discussing full blown war here thankfully, but the Mexican Government must seek restitution through diplomatic channels.
    The chances of that happening are close to if not nil
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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    Israelis can kill Palestinian kids for throwing rocks in the Occupied Territories so I guess the Americans can do it too.
    Yes, I agree, I mean actually the fact pattern isn't interested if the shooting is in self defense, right? I mean, if somebody attacks you and threatens you with death or serious bodily harm, yes, you can shoot them, not really very debatable. The fact pattern is really only interesting is we presume the shooting was excessive.

    I wasn't there....

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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The chances of that happening are close to if not nil
    Maybe, but you'd be surprised. Somebody I guarantee you we will want something from the federalis.



    I'm not saying they would trade resitution here for Tom Brady's jersey, which was taken by a Mexican national who was a very big NFL fan. You get the point and someday they might get something.

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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Maybe, but you'd be surprised. Somebody I guarantee you we will want something from the federalis.



    I'm not saying they would trade resitution here for Tom Brady's jersey, which was taken by a Mexican national who was a very big NFL fan. You get the point and someday they might get something.
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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    The US supreme court has refused to open the door for foreign nationals to pursue civil rights cases in American courts, declining to revive a lawsuit by a slain unarmed 15-year-old Mexican boy's family against the US border agent who shot him in the face from across the border in Texas. The court's conservatives voted 5-4 to uphold a lower court’s dismissal of the lawsuit against the agent, Jesús Mesa, who shot 15-year-old Sergio Adrián Hernández Guereca in the face in the 2010 incident.
    Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent | US news | The Guardian

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    Sergio Adrián Hernández Guereca receiving first aid on the Mexican side of the border

    There is no recourse for the family of a murdered child when shot from the United States by a rogue border patrol agent. It has to be wondered whether a similar judgement would be made were a an unarmed Canadian boy to be shot dead from across the border with Canada by an American patrol officer.
    I don't think that the family should have standing to bring a civil suit, but the agent should have been criminally charged. Now there is no justice for the family and no justice for the murderer.
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    re: [W:85]Supreme court blocks Mexican family's legal bid over teen killed by border agent

    Quote Originally Posted by newpublius View Post
    Yes, I agree, I mean actually the fact pattern isn't interested if the shooting is in self defense, right? I mean, if somebody attacks you and threatens you with death or serious bodily harm, yes, you can shoot them, not really very debatable. The fact pattern is really only interesting is we presume the shooting was excessive.

    I wasn't there....
    I guess you were never in the Occupied Territories either.

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