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Guantánamo psychologists disowned by APA

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The two psychologists who designed the US “enhanced interrogation” program that included waterboarding and other forms of torture, are due to give evidence in open court for the first time this week. James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen will answer questions at a pre-trial hearing on the 9/11 attacks before a military tribunal in Guantánamo Bay. Lawyers for the defendants, who are among 40 detainees being held at the prison camp on the island of Cuba say it will be a unique opportunity to hold to account those responsible for approving and carrying out the use of torture, and to demonstrate that both the CIA and FBI were complicit in torture. The American Psychological Association (APA) has disowned Mitchell and Jessen for “violating the ethics of their profession and leaving a stain on the discipline of psychology”.
Guantanamo: psychologists who designed CIA torture program to testify | US news | The Guardian

The world and his wife knew that the Americans were torturing prisoners at the camp who had not even been charged with a crime and this was on the explicit orders of the US president and his unelected Executive rogues, none of whom are among the 40 detainees. How come those who give the orders so often get off scot-free, one has to ask.
 
It's nice to see the APA has finally come to its senses and disowned these two.

With any luck more information will emerge about the role of Torturer-in-Chief Bush.
 
Jean-s said:
The two psychologists who designed the US “enhanced interrogation” program that included waterboarding and other forms of torture, are due to give evidence in open court for the first time this week. James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen will answer questions at a pre-trial hearing on the 9/11 attacks before a military tribunal in Guantánamo Bay. Lawyers for the defendants, who are among 40 detainees being held at the prison camp on the island of Cuba say it will be a unique opportunity to hold to account those responsible for approving and carrying out the use of torture, and to demonstrate that both the CIA and FBI were complicit in torture. The American Psychological Association (APA) has disowned Mitchell and Jessen for “violating the ethics of their profession and leaving a stain on the discipline of psychology”.
Guantanamo: psychologists who designed CIA torture program to testify | US news | The Guardian

The world and his wife knew that the Americans were torturing prisoners at the camp who had not even been charged with a crime and this was on the explicit orders of the US president and his unelected Executive rogues, none of whom are among the 40 detainees. How come those who give the orders so often get off scot-free, one has to ask.
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I wonder, will the AMA look at disowning doctors who supervise executions, too?
 
Thoreau72 said:
It's nice to see the APA has finally come to its senses and disowned these two.

With any luck more information will emerge about the role of Torturer-in-Chief Bush.
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Im glad we can agree.
 
Jean-s said:
The two psychologists who designed the US “enhanced interrogation” program that included waterboarding and other forms of torture, are due to give evidence in open court for the first time this week. James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen will answer questions at a pre-trial hearing on the 9/11 attacks before a military tribunal in Guantánamo Bay. Lawyers for the defendants, who are among 40 detainees being held at the prison camp on the island of Cuba say it will be a unique opportunity to hold to account those responsible for approving and carrying out the use of torture, and to demonstrate that both the CIA and FBI were complicit in torture. The American Psychological Association (APA) has disowned Mitchell and Jessen for “violating the ethics of their profession and leaving a stain on the discipline of psychology”.
Guantanamo: psychologists who designed CIA torture program to testify | US news | The Guardian

The world and his wife knew that the Americans were torturing prisoners at the camp who had not even been charged with a crime and this was on the explicit orders of the US president and his unelected Executive rogues, none of whom are among the 40 detainees. How come those who give the orders so often get off scot-free, one has to ask.
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"Disowned"? What the hell does that mean? It does not say that their licenses were revoked. Disowned is meaningless and their company was worth $81 Million Dollars... I wouldn't care much if I were them.
 
Bodhisattva said:
"Disowned"? What the hell does that mean? It does not say that their licenses were revoked. Disowned is meaningless and their company was worth $81 Million Dollars... I wouldn't care much if I were them.
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Better than condoned.
 
Bodhisattva said:
"Disowned"? What the hell does that mean? It does not say that their licenses were revoked. Disowned is meaningless and their company was worth $81 Million Dollars... I wouldn't care much if I were them.
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Unlike you, many professionals like to be considered ethical according to the standards of their peers. They were booted out of the APA. That is what disowned means. The duo are on trial so we will see what consolation it is to be rich while an inmate.
 
Jean-s said:
Unlike you, many professionals like to be considered ethical according to the standards of their peers. They were booted out of the APA. That is what disowned means. The duo are on trial so we will see what consolation it is to be rich while an inmate.
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Ethics are subjective. So unlike you some people might have a moral high ground and doing what they do even if you disapprove of it. The fact that this has to be explained to you is rather disturbing.
 
Bodhisattva said:
"Disowned"? What the hell does that mean? It does not say that their licenses were revoked. Disowned is meaningless and their company was worth $81 Million Dollars... I wouldn't care much if I were them.
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The APA is just a business association. I work their conventions.

They have nothing to do with licensing.
 
Jean-s said:
The American Psychological Association (APA) has disowned Mitchell and Jessen for “violating the ethics of their profession and leaving a stain on the discipline of psychology”.
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That is the very least thing that should happen to them.
 
Hamish Howl said:
That is the very least thing that should happen to them.
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It might not be. The case continues and one of them is defiant, saying he would do the same again. The man is a sociopath.
 
Jean-s said:
It might not be. The case continues and one of them is defiant, saying he would do the same again. The man is a sociopath.
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Imagine bragging that you're Josef Mengele.
 
Jean-s said:
Ethics are not subjective. The APA has objective standards. Torturers who are unapologetic are criminals.
Ethical Principles of Psychologists and Code of Conduct
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You have to know what ethics are in order to participate in this debate. Ethics are moral principles that govern a person's behaviour. Some people think it is ok to slap a child's hand who reaches for a cookie and some people think it isn't. That is subjectivity full stop that is the essence of ethics.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You have to know what ethics are in order to participate in this debate. Ethics are moral principles that govern a person's behaviour. Some people think it is ok to slap a child's hand who reaches for a cookie and some people think it isn't. That is subjectivity full stop that is the essence of ethics.
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Parents who assault their children are subject to prosecution in some countries and your opinion will not carry any weight in court.
 
Jean-s said:
It might not be. The case continues and one of them is defiant, saying he would do the same again. The man is a sociopath.
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Sociopaths run the government. It seems government employment appeals to them somehow.
 
Jean-s said:
Parents who assault their children are subject to prosecution in some countries and your opinion will not carry any weight in court.
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You have already shown that you have no idea what the term subjectivity means and now you add a straw man logical fallacy to the argument? Seriously? This is debate you have to know how to debate properly in order to win an argument.
 
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