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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Tyson's 1988 street fight was against Mitch Greene, another professional fighter.
    Well if what you said is true about professional boxers not being allowed to hit people because they would get a battery with a deadly weapons charge if they do then both would get charged with that.

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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes you have...do I need to go find that thread?
    Yes, please show me where I said that.

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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Well if what you said is true about professional boxers not being allowed to hit people because they would get a battery with a deadly weapons charge if they do then both would get charged with that.
    Having a law doesn't mean that charges will always be brought. Neither one of them charged the other one.
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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Lets say you get into a physical confrontation and it goes to court. You get into a fight and you get caught and it ends up going to court. There is certain stuff that the court should not take into account as its none of their business. For instance, lets say you’ve got a background in the martial arts. That is not something the court should take into account or even know about. Even if they do know about it they should not use it against you. Even if you do hurt somebody in a fight, whether or not you do know martial arts should not come into play in court. If you do know martial arts that should not get you in even more trouble in court if you do end up hurting somebody in a fight.
    Your skills/training absolutely should be used as should size/strength differences - it goes to the credibility of whether you are in fear and the objective reasonableness of that fear, as it relates to the elements of self-defense.

    I see no analysis of the elements of self-defense or any assault it is used against in in your post. To use a legal term, this makes your post "crappy"
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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Your skills/training absolutely should be used as should size/strength differences - it goes to the credibility of whether you are in fear and the objective reasonableness of that fear, as it relates to the elements of self-defense.

    I see no analysis of the elements of self-defense or any assault it is used against in in your post. To use a legal term, this makes your post "crappy"
    As I said before in this thread, when guns are used in confrontations, whenever there's any shooting involved, the courts go crazy. But since any kind of martial arts training is nowhere in the same league as a gun it should be overlooked by the courts. If a person doesn't use any weapons in a confrontation they should get in less trouble in court than if they did, no matter what kind of martial arts training they've got.

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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    As I said before in this thread, when guns are used in confrontations, whenever there's any shooting involved, the courts go crazy. But since any kind of martial arts training is nowhere in the same league as a gun it should be overlooked by the courts. If a person doesn't use any weapons in a confrontation they should get in less trouble in court than if they did, no matter what kind of martial arts training they've got.
    No matter how many times you bring up gun and compare it to martial arts it will never be a logical comparison. Its a completely failed and retarded analogy. Gun is not a standard for "court consideration" during confirmations, assault or self-defense.

    Your op and feelings on this matte have completely fail has you haven't been able to back them up or provide any logical reason what so ever why training shouldn't be considered in a court of law, most personal factors are.
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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    If a fight erupts involving me and a martial arts expert, how do I prove that they are trained in martial arts?
    They can just say that they don't know martial arts, or that they trained years ago but they were not really any good at it.
    Then it's my word against theirs.

    This is why the entire argument about martial arts being used against you in court is BS, except in a very very few instances, like for instance if the opponent is an established and well known expert and instructor and has a long publicly known history in it, and if they instigated the fight as the aggressor, and if they inflicted a level of harm that is wildly over what would normally be expected.
    Say, for instance, they break your leg and your arm and five ribs because you flipped them off.

    The whole "their hands are registered as lethal weapons" business is mostly nonsense.
    Any well trained fighter, be they martial arts experts or not, might wind up in trouble for overreacting and inflicting excessive injury for a piddling slight.

    I cannot think of any instances where it was used against anyone who was legitmately defending themselves from attack.
    If there are any such instances, I'd be surprised.
    Maybe a handful of overly eager bouncers who went way too far in the dispatch of their official duties.
    But I knew one bouncer who wasn't a martial artist in Minneapolis in the 70's who inficted incredible amounts of damage on patrons, and got away with it.

    If any of you knew about The Poodle Club on 31st and East Lake Street, you know exactly who I am talking about.
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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    No matter how many times you bring up gun and compare it to martial arts it will never be a logical comparison. Its a completely failed and retarded analogy. Gun is not a standard for "court consideration" during confirmations, assault or self-defense.
    Sure it is. If you use a gun in a physical confrontation you had better believe it will be brought up in court, big time.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Your op and feelings on this matte have completely fail has you haven't been able to back them up or provide any logical reason what so ever why training shouldn't be considered in a court of law, most personal factors are.
    Because personal activities such as training in the martial arts is private stuff that the courts has no business getting involved in or even knowing about.

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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    1.)Sure it is. If you use a gun in a physical confrontation you had better believe it will be brought up in court, big time.
    2.)Because personal activities such as training in the martial arts is private stuff that the courts has no business getting involved in or even knowing about.
    1.) quote me saying otherwise. .oh that right you cant you just posted another failed lie
    Fact remains Its a completely failed and retarded analogy. Gun is not a standard for "court consideration" during confirmations, assault or self-defense.
    2.) we get you feel that why but your failed little fweelings dont matter to facts
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    Re: What Should Not Be Used Against You In Court If You Get Into A Fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    If a fight erupts involving me and a martial arts expert, how do I prove that they are trained in martial arts?
    They can just say that they don't know martial arts, or that they trained years ago but they were not really any good at it.
    Then it's my word against theirs.
    Exactly. Martial arts is not like a gun in that if you do use a gun in a confrontation it will be just about impossible to say you didn't use it and get the courts to believe you. With martial arts on the other hand, you can deny that you know any martial arts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    This is why the entire argument about martial arts being used against you in court is BS, except in a very very few instances, like for instance if the opponent is an established and well known expert and instructor and has a long publicly known history in it, and if they instigated the fight as the aggressor, and if they inflicted a level of harm that is wildly over what would normally be expected.
    If you are a well known expert and instructor than it will be hard to deny it in court but if you're just a student its another story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Say, for instance, they break your leg and your arm and five ribs because you flipped them off.
    Obviously you can't physically attack somebody just because they flipped you off, that's just common sense. As I've said in the past, if somebody gets physical with you first you should be able to respond with physical force but you can't use physical force because of what somebody says or because they flip you off, speaking of which, Lursa Im still waiting for you to show me where I said you should be able to use physical force against somebody who offends you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    The whole "their hands are registered as lethal weapons" business is mostly nonsense.
    Any well trained fighter, be they martial arts experts or not, might wind up in trouble for overreacting and inflicting excessive injury for a piddling slight.
    Hands can be deadly weapons without any martial arts training. Where I went to college there was a case where a student was strangled to death by her boyfriend. To the best of my knowledge he did not know any martial arts but regardless, you don't need to know any martial arts to be able to strangle somebody. So there you have it, hands can be deadly weapons with or without any martial arts training.

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    I cannot think of any instances where it was used against anyone who was legitmately defending themselves from attack.
    If there are any such instances, I'd be surprised.
    Maybe a handful of overly eager bouncers who went way too far in the dispatch of their official duties.
    But I knew one bouncer who wasn't a martial artist in Minneapolis in the 70's who inficted incredible amounts of damage on patrons, and got away with it.

    If any of you knew about The Poodle Club on 31st and East Lake Street, you know exactly who I am talking about.
    I don't know the details but I do know of a case where a martial arts student who was involved in a physical confrontation really had the book thrown at him. His martial arts background? He was a white belt who had been doing it for about six weeks. As for the judge, she happened to be very much against martial arts.

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