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Too Dangerous For Juvenile Detention?

Again.. therefore.. you should have no problem with a 13-14 year old being allowed to purchase a handgun and carry it concealed.. because they are just as responsible as adults.

Just to point out... the purpose of you ASKING those questions was to get the to THINK about the consequences. Of course with reflection and with time and encouragement from the teacher they were able to come up with possible consequences.

Spur of the moment? they don't have the experience to make those judgements of possible consequences in a manner as adults do.

If they did..their would be no need for children to gain experience.

I never said that kids are just as responsible. I said that they understand that major crimes are bad and will not engage in them just because they are kids.
 
Again.. therefore.. you should have no problem with a 13-14 year old being allowed to purchase a handgun and carry it concealed.. because they are just as responsible as adults.

Just to point out... the purpose of you ASKING those questions was to get the to THINK about the consequences. Of course with reflection and with time and encouragement from the teacher they were able to come up with possible consequences.

Spur of the moment? they don't have the experience to make those judgements of possible consequences in a manner as adults do.

If they did..their would be no need for children to gain experience.

No. they will be working on something and I pop out random questions. Kids love that stuff. They do not reflect with time and there is no encouragement. It is a spontaneous discussion that can and does often lead to interesting view points. I often play devil's advocate and challenge them that maybe society over-reacts and some things are not that bad, etc. Don't undersell what kids are capable of just because you have not seen it.
 
No. they will be working on something and I pop out random questions. Kids love that stuff. They do not reflect with time and there is no encouragement. It is a spontaneous discussion that can and does often lead to interesting view points. I often play devil's advocate and challenge them that maybe society over-reacts and some things are not that bad, etc. Don't undersell what kids are capable of just because you have not seen it.

Oh I have seen it... both sides of it. Which means that it makes no sense to charge kids for crimes.. unless they are JUST as responsible for their actions as adults are. And if they ARE just as responsible.. then we should lower the age for firearms..and alcohol and driving.
 
And what a poor reflection on society it is for a 13 year old to be considered so mentally underdeveloped that he can’t be held fully accountable for an armed robbery and two murders.



It's also a poor reflection on society that the Supremes have outlawed capital punishment for "children" and even outlawed life-long incarceration for "children."

This "child" -- sooner rather than later -- will again be walking the streets.

And, of course, he will be having children of his own.
 
It's also a poor reflection on society that the Supremes have outlawed capital punishment for "children" and even outlawed life-long incarceration for "children."

This "child" -- sooner rather than later -- will again be walking the streets.

And, of course, he will be having children of his own.

The Supremes are also one of my favorite Motown groups...
 
I would agree when it comes to stealing a car or even setting the house on fire. But, when they commit cold-blooded acts of murder, torture, rape, etc...it's time to say, "That is one ****ing bad apple." And, then write the SOB off.

When you say committed, wouldn't that mean the person actually did that act?

If this kid was with somebody that committed those acts, how can you say he decided to commit cold-blooded acts?
 
Dude, I ask my classes questions like the one you posed about sneaking into a house... I ask lots of these types of questions that arise here or that I see on the news to see what kids think... I asked them about consequences of stealing a car (in the USA) and just about every single one said that is a horrible idea and that you could get shot by a gun owner or the police. 13-14 year olds. Kids are not nearly as ignorant or naive as some of you seem to think.

I would also add that lots of adults don't know what the consequences of their actions will be either...

EDIT: I never said that kids are just as responsible. I said that they understand that major crimes are bad and will not engage in them. That said, there are stupid adults with guns that shoot innocent people and themselves all the time... I would also say that at 12 years old my cousins and I were allowed to handle weapons without adult supervision because we knew how to handle them.

You have to add to the scenario a 19 year old telling the 13 year old that everything will be Ok and nothing bad will happen.

I bet that would change their responses in the moment.
 
You have to add to the scenario a 19 year old telling the 13 year old that everything will be Ok and nothing bad will happen.

I bet that would change their responses in the moment.

Are you saying that a 19 year old telling a 12 year old that everything will be OK and nothing bad will happen by committing a major crime? I am not following you here...
 
Are you saying that a 19 year old telling a 12 year old that everything will be OK and nothing bad will happen by committing a major crime? I am not following you here...

Do you really think a 12 year old thinks of going into a house as a major crime? 12 year olds don't think in those terms.
 
Do you really think a 12 year old thinks of going into a house as a major crime? 12 year olds don't think in those terms.

I said I was not following you and now I am even more confused... what 19 year old? Why are you talking about going into a house as a major crime?
 
I said I was not following you and now I am even more confused... what 19 year old? Why are you talking about going into a house as a major crime?

Did you not see where this kid was with a 19 year old that actually did the deed?

This kid was along for the ride and got charged like the other.
 
Did you not see where this kid was with a 19 year old that actually did the deed?

This kid was along for the ride and got charged like the other.

Oh... I missed that. Thanks... that changes things to a degree. A kid being manipulated is different than a kid acting on his own.
 
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