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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    The point is, if a driver's license from your home state allows you to drive in all 50 states a carry permit from your home state should allow you to carry in all 50 states.
    Ahhh, this comes up all to often in these debates.

    Truth is, until 1960 this was not the case. Each state had their own rules and requirements over driving licenses, and would often prohibit a driver from one state to operate in another. But that was the year the Driver License Compact was formed. Which in 2001 was replaced by the Driver License Agreement.

    We see this in everything. My wife is a nurse in California, but no other state will recognize this. That is because although a great many states belong to the Nursing Compact to recognize the licenses from other states, California refuses to join. So unless she wants to do everything all over again she can never practice in another state.

    Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, all these and more professional fields require state licenses that other states may not recognize. Either by the state an individual goes to, or in response to their home state refusing to recognize the licenses of others.

    I feel no more sorry for a CCW holder from Idaho caught in California than I do a Doctor from Florida caught practicing medicine in Oregon. They should be more than well aware that their license is only good in their home state and nowhere else.
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Sorry, don't buy it.

    Every single CCW class I have taken (and many forums I participate in) all say the same thing over and over again.

    Your CCW is only valid in the state you get it in. Only a few states recognize one from another state, so always behave when traveling that the state you are in prohibits it unless you know for a fact it is allowed.

    I gave up my CCW when I left Texas and moved back to California. I knew it would not be accepted here, and I travel through so few states anymore that it was no longer applicable.
    The guy made an honest mistake, he wasn't trying to break any laws or commit any crimes. As I said in an earlier post he was able to get his original felony charge pled down to a misdemeanor since he had such a clean record to begin with but had the felony charge stuck he would've no doubt done prison time since usually a felony charge results in at least a year in prison if not longer. Running prisons is expensive, it costs roughly 60K a year per inmate to run a prison. Even without doing prison time the legal costs to charge somebody are expensive, costs that are paid for by you and me with our tax dollars. Prison and expensive legal procedures should be saved for those who really deserve it, people that rob, rape, murder, and so forth, not people who make honest mistakes such as this fellow who erroneously thought he could carry a loaded handgun in NJ with a NC carry permit.

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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Ahhh, this comes up all to often in these debates.

    Truth is, until 1960 this was not the case. Each state had their own rules and requirements over driving licenses, and would often prohibit a driver from one state to operate in another. But that was the year the Driver License Compact was formed. Which in 2001 was replaced by the Driver License Agreement.

    We see this in everything. My wife is a nurse in California, but no other state will recognize this. That is because although a great many states belong to the Nursing Compact to recognize the licenses from other states, California refuses to join. So unless she wants to do everything all over again she can never practice in another state.

    Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, all these and more professional fields require state licenses that other states may not recognize. Either by the state an individual goes to, or in response to their home state refusing to recognize the licenses of others.

    I feel no more sorry for a CCW holder from Idaho caught in California than I do a Doctor from Florida caught practicing medicine in Oregon. They should be more than well aware that their license is only good in their home state and nowhere else.
    Just like the Driver's License Compact and Driver's License Agreement we should have the same thing for carry permits, National Reciprocity is what it would be called. Driving is a privilege, as is being a nurse, doctor, lawyer, or engineer. Bearing arms is not a privilege its a right as defined by the Constitution.

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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Just like the Driver's License Compact and Driver's License Agreement we should have the same thing for carry permits, National Reciprocity is what it would be called. Driving is a privilege, as is being a nurse, doctor, lawyer, or engineer. Bearing arms is not a privilege its a right as defined by the Constitution.
    Yes, it is a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

    Now show me where in the Constitution where it gives the right to CCW anywhere you want.

    Limits on Constitutional Rights are well established and recognized. You have the right to Free Speech, you do not have the right to us libel, slander, or to yell "Fire" in a crowded place. You also can not use hateful or inciteful language, that is also an acceptable restriction on your rights.

    Now I agree, there should be a National CCW Compact, you will never hear me say otherwise. But there is not one, so we can not simply go around pretending like there is.

    And there never will be one. Because of states like California and New York, which will never allow that to happen.

    I held a CCW from 2008-2012. And as I said, the thing they pounded into us constantly in the classes as well as on the official state paperwork we filled out is that it was ONLY valid in the state of Texas. And that other states may recognize it, but most do not. If you travel with your gun, check the laws of every state you will travel through.

    This is why when in 2010 I went to visit my son in California, I packed away my gun before I left (even though I was driving through New Mexico and Arizona which recognized Texas CCW). The last thing I wanted to do was forget to put it away before I left Arizona and get pulled over for something. However, on the return trip the first time I got gas in Arizona I put it back on. Because I knew all the way home it was smooth sailing.

    Do not do that, and you are an idiot.
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Should a person get in trouble for breaking the law if they don't know better? Ignorance of the law will not get you off the hook, so we're told, but is that fair? What if a person honestly doesn't know better?
    YES of course

    now with that said many crimes involve intent etc etc and reduced charges or fines can happen during investigation and that works for me
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    There was a case of a man from North Carolina who was on a business trip to Maine. While on the trip he had a loaded handgun in a briefcase since he had a North Carolina carry permit. He was pulled over for speeding in New Jersey and got in big trouble for having a loaded handgun in the state of New Jersey. He honestly thought he was within the law since he did have a carry permit, he just didn't know his carry permit wasn't valid in NJ. So he shouldn't've gotten in trouble.
    you mean a dummy from North Carolina, how does one do that in this day and age

    LEGALLY Yes he should have, what type of moron doesnt know the laws very per state, hell when i got my permit it was one of the first things they make sure they beat into you head. Anyway should they take it into consideration if his record is good and everything checks out, give him something minor . . especially if say it used to be legal in main and it no longer is etc yes . . . . . but that doesnt mean he doesnt get in trouble at all. Where does he live under a rock?


    now with that saide i think the law is WRONG, all states should be open carry and my permit to carry should be valid nation wide like a drivers licences . .but I know its not
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LEGALLY Yes he should have, what type of moron doesnt know the laws very per state, hell when i got my permit it was one of the first things they make sure they beat into you head.
    The same here.

    I can only imagine those who think otherwise have never actually gotten a CCW. Because they cover this over and over and over again. And in my opinion, anybody that can not pay attention to such a restriction should probably not even have a CCW.

    No more than in Texas I think somebody who carries a CCW into a church, bar, government installation, or Carl's Junior should have that right revoked. Because over and over in that class they pounded us on where you could not carry your weapon. And that included Government facilities, churches, places that served alcohol, or where a sign was posted saying you could not have a gun on the premises.

    If you can not follow the rules, you should not have a gun. No more than if you can not follow the rules of the road, you should not have a driver's license.
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    The same here.

    I can only imagine those who think otherwise have never actually gotten a CCW. Because they cover this over and over and over again. And in my opinion, anybody that can not pay attention to such a restriction should probably not even have a CCW.

    No more than in Texas I think somebody who carries a CCW into a church, bar, government installation, or Carl's Junior should have that right revoked. Because over and over in that class they pounded us on where you could not carry your weapon. And that included Government facilities, churches, places that served alcohol, or where a sign was posted saying you could not have a gun on the premises.

    If you can not follow the rules, you should not have a gun. No more than if you can not follow the rules of the road, you should not have a driver's license.
    Yep . . it was the most talked about thing when i got mine too. And like you said they also went over were not to cry and gave handouts and lists of websites where to get info if you were confused and didnt know.
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    There was a case of a man from North Carolina who was on a business trip to Maine. While on the trip he had a loaded handgun in a briefcase since he had a North Carolina carry permit. He was pulled over for speeding in New Jersey and got in big trouble for having a loaded handgun in the state of New Jersey. He honestly thought he was within the law since he did have a carry permit, he just didn't know his carry permit wasn't valid in NJ. So he shouldn't've gotten in trouble.
    Why were the police in his briefcase?
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    Re: Ignorance Of The Law

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    Why were the police in his briefcase?
    He was pulled over for speeding. The officer asked him if he had any weapons. He told the officer about the handgun in the briefcase.

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