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Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

SDET said:
I have been through maybe a dozen or so. I think they condition men not to interact with women.
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I thought they trained co-workers how to professionally interact, not to not interact.

Even years ago, way before the formal corporate training, men often said to each other "don't **** where you eat". That means DO NOT fraternize with females at the company in any manner. It's been a given my whole professional life. With DECADES of such indoctrination, how would any man do anything that even comes close to sexual harassment?
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Did these men say this or the training?

I don't get it. :shrug: So much as a greeting is a risk. Why chance it?
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Did the training warn against greeting women professionally?
 
distraff said:
I thought they trained co-workers how to professionally interact, not to not interact.
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It goes through this laundry list of what might offend people. It you pay attention, it's worded in a very open ended way.

Did these men say this or the training?
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Different men over the decades.

Did the training warn against greeting women professionally?
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Again there's open ended language that could mean anything "unwelcome", "offensive", etc.
 
SDET said:
It goes through this laundry list of what might offend people. It you pay attention, it's worded in a very open ended way.
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What things did they list specifically? What did they say you should do about it?

Different men over the decades.
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Maybe we shouldn't be listening to these men.
 
SDET said:
I have been through maybe a dozen or so. I think they condition men not to interact with women. Even years ago, way before the formal corporate training, men often said to each other "don't **** where you eat". That means DO NOT fraternize with females at the company in any manner. It's been a given my whole professional life. With DECADES of such indoctrination, how would any man do anything that even comes close to sexual harassment? I don't get it. :shrug: So much as a greeting is a risk. Why chance it?
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My youngest son supervises dozens of people, mostly women. He won't socialize with women from work, won't hire women for jobs he has to interact closely with, and tries not to do any business travel with women. He hires men as much as he can get away with. All that training has done is insure a CYA attitude.
 
If he is forced to hire women, he should look for Hindi names. Indian women tend have less of a troublemaking, entitled attitude.

Waddy said:
My youngest son supervises dozens of people, mostly women. He won't socialize with women from work, won't hire women for jobs he has to interact closely with, and tries not to do any business travel with women. He hires men as much as he can get away with. All that training has done is insure a CYA attitude.
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SDET said:
If he is forced to hire women, he should look for Hindi names. Indian women tend have less of a troublemaking, entitled attitude.
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I'll pass that little tidbit of knowledge along to him. He's recently married; I never thought he would, and even bought a home. He was always shy of personal commitment. But at work now he's really gunshy of women in the workplace. And I'm saying all these workplace training sessions are having the opposite effect of what they're intended. Society is actually training young men to avoid commitment.

FWIW; my new daughter in law is amazing. That she could break down his wall and make him like it is a miracle.
 
Waddy said:
But at work now he's really gunshy of women in the workplace. And I'm saying all these workplace training sessions are having the opposite effect of what they're intended. .
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Yep, that is what a few of us men have been trying to say in this thread. However, not one woman has accepted this idea anywhere in this thread...
 
Superfly said:
Hogwash. You get your clock cleaned on here by "Western women" because of the attitude you have towards them.

My animosity towards you didn't start when you signed on. It started when you whined about how evil white American women are the bane of your existence - in almost every single thread you participate in.

"Sky is cloudy today."
"It's evil American women."

"My motor blew up because I didn't change my oil."
"It's evil American women."

"I haven't had sex in 8 months."
"It's evil American women. They hate me. I don't know why."

Change your tune, and maybe the evil women on this board will not rag on you every time you show up.

Or don't, and blame the decline and fall of western civilization on us.

Either way, I don't care.
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Well....to be fair....


On that second one....
 
lwf said:
You are hearing about horror stories and assuming that all women are capable of this. This is no different than people hearing about school shootings and assuming that every gun in America has the potential to murder school children. While I understand the knee-jerk reactions to salacious news stories about these things, the bottom line is that women are not evil man-haters who are out to get revenge on you personally for the way their gender has been treated, nor are they out to get you fired so they can take your job. They are no different than you or me. How many false sexual harassment allegations have you leveled at your coworkers?
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By this same logic, I can only assume you are not for greater gun control. Because, you know. Most of them are perfectly safe.


Right?
 
All of this should go without saying, but I have in the course of my career had to fire 3 men and 1 woman for sexual harassment.

In none of those cases did I feel any need to hesitate at all. If you cannot behave well enough to avoid endangering the shareholders' investments, then you will simply have to be a dumbass somewhere else.
 
SDET said:
You know, the Western women on this message board are the only ones I interact with.
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You don't by any chance wear a fedora and own a Cutlery World katana, do you?
 
Hamish Howl said:
All of this should go without saying, but I have in the course of my career had to fire 3 men and 1 woman for sexual harassment.

In none of those cases did I feel any need to hesitate at all. If you cannot behave well enough to avoid endangering the shareholders' investments, then you will simply have to be a dumbass somewhere else.
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"Harassment. What is that? If she is not making you do it, it is just gossip. Women do that all the time."
 
You fired a woman for sexual harassment? Tell us more.

Hamish Howl said:
All of this should go without saying, but I have in the course of my career had to fire 3 men and 1 woman for sexual harassment.

In none of those cases did I feel any need to hesitate at all. If you cannot behave well enough to avoid endangering the shareholders' investments, then you will simply have to be a dumbass somewhere else.
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KevinKohler said:
By this same logic, I can only assume you are not for greater gun control. Because, you know. Most of them are perfectly safe.

Right?
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Right. I am in favor of conceal and carry and believe that legal firearms in the hands of responsible adults are safer than drinkable alcohol.
 
SDET said:
I have been through maybe a dozen or so. I think they condition men not to interact with women. Even years ago, way before the formal corporate training, men often said to each other "don't **** where you eat". That means DO NOT fraternize with females at the company in any manner. It's been a given my whole professional life. With DECADES of such indoctrination, how would any man do anything that even comes close to sexual harassment? I don't get it. :shrug: So much as a greeting is a risk. Why chance it?
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I think that's personal advice given your personal situation. I'm sure every HR department believes it's best you don't talk to females at all. Not one word. That's best for everyone.

But that's not the advice they give everyone. Just some. You can't project your experience onto everyone. You're a very special case, as illustrated in your OP.
 
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