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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

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    You know, the Western women on this message board are the only ones I interact with. Y'all help fan the flames, just sayin'. The last Western woman I had any contact with was this on my last gig where this stupid harpy from the other side of the floor complained about our team working with the lights off. It became a big battle with about 18 male programmers ready to leave the company en masse. She pushed that it was a "safety issue". We pushed back that the fluorescent lights hurt our eyes. We came to a deal where about 10% of the lights were turned on. It's been about a year since I have had to be in ongoing contact with a Western woman. It has been a good year. Working with Indians has its irritations, but they pale in comparison to having a Western woman around.
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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    if you interact with everyone in a reasonable, respectful, and professional manner there is very little risk and even less chance of a problem ever happening.
    Unfortunately, this is a very naÔve and unrealistic way to look at it. When you give someone a stick to beat you with, that stick tends to be used. There are just enough cruel/psycho/mean-spirited people in the workforce that will use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to get ahead. Just because most women wouldn't unfairly use this as a weapon, doesn't mean there aren't *enough* women out there who would.

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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by gino View Post
    Unfortunately, this is a very naÔve and unrealistic way to look at it. When you give someone a stick to beat you with, that stick tends to be used. There are just enough cruel/psycho/mean-spirited people in the workforce that will use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to get ahead. Just because most women wouldn't unfairly use this as a weapon, doesn't mean there aren't *enough* women out there who would.
    There are at least as many men who would as well. Fortunately, men who treat every other woman they work with with respect have nothing to fear from those extremely rare evil-genius women who are capable of fabricating a believable narrative of sexual harassment that will fool the HR department. Such a man will have an army of women allies who come to his defense.

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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    nothing to fear from those extremely rare evil-genius women who are capable of fabricating a believable narrative of sexual harassment that will fool the HR department.
    You and I must not be living in the same reality. I've seen women use baseless claims to further themselves many times. Be it in court or in corporate life, if you leave a weapon around, it will be used.

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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by gino View Post
    You and I must not be living in the same reality. I've seen women use baseless claims to further themselves many times. Be it in court or in corporate life, if you leave a weapon around, it will be used.
    We see it happen because it is news when it happens. I've seen stories of people going postal and shooting their coworkers and then themselves many times as well. Even so, patting down your employees before they enter the building is unnecessary. Having a policy of no firearms is enough, even if every once in a while we hear about someone who violates this policy and does damage, just as having a policy of no false accusations is enough even if once in a while we hear about a false accusation.

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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    We see it happen because it is news when it happens. I've seen stories of people going postal and shooting their coworkers and then themselves many times as well. Even so, patting down your employees before they enter the building is unnecessary. Having a policy of no firearms is enough, even if every once in a while we hear about someone who violates this policy and does damage, just as having a policy of no false accusations is enough even if once in a while we hear about a false accusation.
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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    I have been through maybe a dozen or so. I think they condition men not to interact with women. Even years ago, way before the formal corporate training, men often said to each other "don't **** where you eat". That means DO NOT fraternize with females at the company in any manner. It's been a given my whole professional life. With DECADES of such indoctrination, how would any man do anything that even comes close to sexual harassment? I don't get it. So much as a greeting is a risk. Why chance it?
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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    So much as a greeting is a risk. Why chance it?


    1. Men cannot please some feminists.

    2. Some men executives, for example, decline to be alone with a female colleague under any circumstances (on a business trip, in a car, in a room, etc.).


    3. This feminist did not understand that those men executives do not want to be falsely accused later of improper conduct.


    4. This feminist charged that those men executives' actions were intended to show contempt for the #MeToo movement.

    It seems that no matter what men do, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Nope.


    But its REQUIRED that I have a female member of management with me to meet with a female TM.
    It would be a good idea even with men.

    My buddy had a meeting with a male employee and was accused of inappropriate touching.

    That was the last time he met with anybody alone.

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    Re: Are corporate anti-sexual harassment courses too extreme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Dunno. I’ve been in the corporate world for 35 years. Have worked with woman, for women and had women reporting to me (even now half my staff is women one of whom has worked for me - willingly - for 21 years) and haven’t had any problems.

    Granted that’s all been in either computer companies or the software engineering organization of financial services firms so that may have something to do with it.

    Or maybe it’s just cause I try not to be an asshole, treat all the people I deal with as humans and try to make work as enjoyable as possible. Or maybe not.

    I just took our annual corporate anti-harassment training earlier this week. It’s largely bull**** to be honest. And the little that isn’t bull**** is really common sense.
    You have to realize, the anti-harassment training isn't targeted at you. It's targeted at the predatory sociopaths trying to trample their way up the ladder, who are usually the source of these sexual harassment lawsuits. There's not a ton of them, but it only takes one to take a fat stinking legal **** on the office carpet.
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