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Victimless Crimes

Rumpel said:
What could be examples of such crimes?
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Lets say for instance I've got a semi automatic Armalite rifle that has a pistol grip and an adjustable stock. In some states having those accessories is illegal. That is an example of a victimless crime, if simply just have a rifle with such accessories you are not victimizing anybody. So there is no victim, it is a victimless crime.
 
Rumpel said:
What could be examples of such crimes?
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Here is another example of a victimless crime: in 20+ states legislation has been passed that criminalizes the action of participating in any effort to boycott, divest from or sanction Israel. There is no victim, AND the action forbidden is protected by the First Amendment and Stare Decisis, yet it is a felony in those jurisdictions.

There is no victim, AND it is a violation of First Amendment. Oh Goodness, the things AIPAC does for us!
 
Perotista said:
What would you describe as a victimless crime or laws against victimless crimes. I assume a victimless crime or a law against is one that doesn't harm someone else. Wearing a seatbelt is a law that would be classified as a victimless crime law as whether you wear or don't wear one isn't going to harm anyone else except one's self.

I would think, I don't know, never checked it out, but I would think most victimless crimes laws are their to protect the individual against himself or add additional safety to the individual himself.
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Things like seat belt laws, blinker/brake light laws, If I had to guess are a creation from insurance companies that do two things. Helps keep the profits up for the insurance companies. And increase revenue for the governments that enforce laws like that.
I was told by a county cop that a LOT of cities couldn't even come close to balancing their budgets without traffic citations.
 
JohnnyDollar said:
Things like seat belt laws, blinker/brake light laws, If I had to guess are a creation from insurance companies that do two things. Helps keep the profits up for the insurance companies. And increase revenue for the governments that enforce laws like that.
I was told by a county cop that a LOT of cities couldn't even come close to balancing their budgets without traffic citations.
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There are victims of those accidents beyond the physically harmed. If they dont have insurance, they are still cared for at a public hospital. They may go on unemployment, public assistance, etc because of their injuries. Etc....but the common factor here is that taxpayers end up paying more. So there is 'harm' to parties not involved.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The most obvious of the victimless crimes are the drug laws, followed closely by prostitution laws. Both inspired by our Judeo-Christian Heritage.
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Prostitution "victimless"? Seriously? You know a fair number of hookers are forced into it, right? Human smuggling is big business. Ask the families of fentanyl victims if drug use is victimless.
 
Lursa said:
There are victims of those accidents beyond the physically harmed. If they dont have insurance, they are still cared for at a public hospital. They may go on unemployment, public assistance, etc because of their injuries. Etc....but the common factor here is that taxpayers end up paying more. So there is 'harm' to parties not involved.
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Accidents? Who said anything about accidents?
 
Bullseye said:
Prostitution "victimless"? Seriously? You know a fair number of hookers are forced into it, right? Human smuggling is big business. Ask the families of fentanyl victims if drug use is victimless.
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If someone is forced into anything, then it's not victimless. We're talking about those who choose to on their own. Why is this sooo hard for people to understand. Accident, pimped out. Not even close to victimless.
 
Bullseye said:
Prostitution "victimless"? Seriously? You know a fair number of hookers are forced into it, right? Human smuggling is big business. Ask the families of fentanyl victims if drug use is victimless.
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Show me some accurate stats to prove your claim please. How many are forced into it? How do you know this?

No matter, it's beside the point. Many if not most women in the profession do so of their own free will.

There are no victims in consensual sexual relations between humans.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Show me some accurate stats to prove your claim please. How many are forced into it? How do you know this?
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How do I know it? I read and watch the news.
Thoreau72 said:
No matter, it's beside the point. Many if not most women in the profession do so of their own free will.
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Ok, show YOUR facts.
Thoreau72 said:
There are no victims in consensual sexual relations between humans.
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IF it IS CONSENUAL, you are correct.
 
Bullseye said:
How do I know it? I read and watch the news.
Ok, show YOUR facts.
IF it IS CONSENUAL, you are correct.
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My facts are simple. Having used the services of such working women many times over many years, I never met a single one that was being forced into such work. Most of them rather enjoyed their work.

I do understand that there is the trafficking in young runaways and such, but I just never personally encountered any.

Do you believe everything you see on the news? Naïve = Gullible
 
Thoreau72 said:
My facts are simple. Having used the services of such working women many times over many years, I never met a single one that was being forced into such work. Most of them rather enjoyed their work.

I do understand that there is the trafficking in young runaways and such, but I just never personally encountered any.

Do you believe everything you see on the news? Naïve = Gullible
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Sure. Fine. So my choice is to believe numerous news articles or a guy that pays for sex and believes the women he frequents?
 
There is no such thing as a victim-less crime... :roll:
 
Thoreau72 said:
My facts are simple. Having used the services of such working women many times over many years, I never met a single one that was being forced into such work. Most of them rather enjoyed their work.

I do understand that there is the trafficking in young runaways and such, but I just never personally encountered any.

Do you believe everything you see on the news? Naïve = Gullible
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The point is not that some prostitutes like their work it is that the overall job of prostitution contains victims...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The point is not that some prostitutes like their work it is that the overall job of prostitution contains victims...
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Who are the victims in consensual sex?
 
Bullseye said:
Prostitution "victimless"? Seriously? You know a fair number of hookers are forced into it, right? Human smuggling is big business. Ask the families of fentanyl victims if drug use is victimless.
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If it were legal, perhaps there would be less of a need to smuggle people in to do it.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Who are the victims in consensual sex?
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The point is that for many it is not consensual just because they agree to the money... many are forced by pimps or by dependency to drugs or by having no skills and they need to pay the bills for their family...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The point is that for many it is not consensual just because they agree to the money... many are forced by pimps or by dependency to drugs or by having no skills and they need to pay the bills for their family...
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Thank you. No, there are no victims in consensual sex.

The claimed victims exist in your imagination.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Thank you. No, there are no victims in consensual sex.

The claimed victims exist in your imagination.
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If there is coercion and duress then it is not consensual...
 
Bullseye said:
How do I know it? I read and watch the news.
Ok, show YOUR facts.
IF it IS CONSENUAL, you are correct.
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If the argument against prostitution is that some may be forced into it, the crime is the forcing, not the prostitution.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The point is that for many it is not consensual just because they agree to the money... many are forced by pimps or by dependency to drugs or by having no skills and they need to pay the bills for their family...
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Everything you state is self inflicted problems.

Using a pimp is a personal choice.
Drugs are a personal choice.
No skills is a personal choice.

Quite possibly those are the consequences of present or former actions, but none are unavoidable.
 
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