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How about this sweet woman.

Lord of Planar said:
I found this, her remarks:

Kelly, 46, attempted to explain herself, saying she heard a dog barking and the boys walking through the neighborhood. She said she feared for her safety after a prior home invasion. She gestured to the boys' skin and then her own, and said, "It ain't about that," according to the police report.

"If you're gonna sell cards, act like you're selling cards," she reportedly told police. "Be smart about it boys. Please. It's your life you're talking about. Don't be silly about it." Later, she said she "felt remorse" and asked to get in contact with the boys to buy them lunch and "put some closure on this."
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Black teens held at gunpoint by white woman while fundraising for their high school football team in Wynne, Arkansas - CBS News
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Instead of lunch maybe she just should offer to buy what they were selling?
 
trouble13 said:
What if her fears were based on an irrational sterotype, it does not make her fear less real from her perspective.

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Yeah. I've heard that argument and I do understand. Under that circumstance, she wouldn't be racist. After all she did have a home invasion.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Man, I'm really glad that I never had to live in a place with racist inbreds like that one! What amazes me more is that there are people who will try and make excuses for her racist actions. If there's a group of young people in my neighborhood going door to door selling something, of course there will be a dog or two barking. It's pretty clear it was racially motivated, nobody can honestly deny that, unless of course they think just like her, read the story.



Four black teenagers held at gunpoint by white woman while fundraising for football team | The Independent
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And that is what she should be charged with.

Gun ownership is a right, however it is also a responsibility.

Here in Wisconsin right after the castle doctrine law was enacted a guy called 911 to report an underage drinking party next door.

When the police got there kids went running as kids do.

One of the kids ran into this guy's screened in porch and his next to a refrigerator.

Unfortunately for him he was in sight of the home owner through a window.

The homeowner used a twelve gauge to kill this cowering highschool kid.

I fully support the castle doctrine, however that was just flat out murder.

That asshole was never charged...
 
trouble13 said:
What if her fears were based on an irrational sterotype, it does not make her fear less real from her perspective.

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Maybe people who suffer irrational fear should not own firearms????
 
GDViking said:
Gun ownership is a right, however it is also a responsibility.

Here in Wisconsin right after the castle doctrine law was enacted a guy called 911 to report an underage drinking party next door.

When the police got there kids went running as kids do.

One of the kids ran into this guy's screened in porch and his next to a refrigerator.

Unfortunately for him he was in sight of the home owner through a window.

The homeowner used a twelve gauge to kill this cowering highschool kid.

I fully support the castle doctrine, however that was just flat out murder.

That asshole was never charged...
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I completely agree that gun ownership is also a responsibility. That guy in your story should have been charged, there was no reason for him shooting that kid. I fully support the castle doctrine also, it is effective in my state too.
 
GDViking said:
All the weapons training I have had in my life pretty much taught it is wrong to point a loaded gun at children...
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Is it wrong to point a loaded weapon at a threat?

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AProudLefty said:
Yeah. I've heard that argument and I do understand. Under that circumstance, she wouldn't be racist. After all she did have a home invasion.
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The point im trying to make is that even if her motive was racist in the sense that she was afraid of black males, from a legsl perspective ot would not matter. It depends on the laws of thst state but if she believed she was defending herself from an immediate threat im not seeing the crime. Its not illegal to be afraid of other people.

From what i have been able to find she called 911. She held them at gunpoint until the police arrived and assesed the threat. Technically that's what your supposed to do.

Overall i think its an interesting case and i hope we get to hear who it plays out in court.

On a side note i think schools should reevaluate their fund raising policy and require an adult to be present. I also question if its apropiate for a group of young men to being go door to door asking for money. The hoe owner really has no way of knowing if they are pretending to do that and have crimina intentions or not. They would be safer to fund raise in front of stores like most organazations do. Jmo.

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JMR said:
Maybe people who suffer irrational fear should not own firearms????
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That is a different conversation. We would need to determine what is rational and what is not. That is opinion based and bery difficult to litigate. Ypu may think this womans fear was irrational while somebody else may think it rational.

How would you go about deciding whos opinion is correct?

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trouble13 said:
That is a different conversation. We would need to determine what is rational and what is not. That is opinion based and bery difficult to litigate. Ypu may think this womans fear was irrational while somebody else may think it rational.

How would you go about deciding whos opinion is correct?

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I'd go with the opinion that holding teenagers on the ground at gun point is a serious sign of irrational thought, even if the wacko is willing to spring for lunch.
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This, what I bolded:

trouble13 said:
The point im trying to make is that even if her motive was racist in the sense that she was afraid of black males, from a legsl perspective ot would not matter. It depends on the laws of thst state but if she believed she was defending herself from an immediate threat im not seeing the crime. Its not illegal to be afraid of other people.

From what i have been able to find she called 911. She held them at gunpoint until the police arrived and assesed the threat. Technically that's what your supposed to do.

Overall i think its an interesting case and i hope we get to hear who it plays out in court.

On a side note i think schools should reevaluate their fund raising policy and require an adult to be present. I also question if its apropiate for a group of young men to being go door to door asking for money. The hoe owner really has no way of knowing if they are pretending to do that and have crimina intentions or not. They would be safer to fund raise in front of stores like most organazations do. Jmo.

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Now I would suggest that everyone wanting to believe racism was involved, that maybe, just maybe, the kids did something to make her think they were a threat.
 
JMR said:
I'd go with the opinion that holding teenagers on the ground at gun point is a serious sign of irrational thought, even if the wacko is willing to spring for lunch.
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Because a group of male teenaged boys never pose a theat to a middle aged woman.

I dont know if her reaction was rational or not but you're opinion is irrational.

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Lord of Planar said:
This, what I bolded:



Now I would suggest that everyone wanting to believe racism was involved, that maybe, just maybe, the kids did something to make her think they were a threat.
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Sure they might of and it may of been a big missunderstanding. They may of been acting like typical bunchvof boy rough housing and expressing normsl male aggressiviness with each other. The woman may suffer from negrophobia or androphobia (fear of black people and fear of men). Neither of which is a crime.

Regardless of their intentions they entered her property uninvited. Her actions may of been an overreaction but it should not be a criminal act to protect ones self or property simply because a gun was involved.

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What if there were prior home invasions? That would make "locking the door and staying inside" mute.
What if she was previously attacked by a bunch of rowdy teens, and she was afraid of teens, regardless of skin color? Have you talked to women who had violent encounters? They tend to be a bit more scared than others.
What the heck is wrong with everyone turning this into a race thing, judging the woman before all the facts are in and without knowing all the circumstances?
What the heck is wrong with people who immediately jump behind the partisan line?
Remember those who hung'em on a tree based on nothing but accusations? Lets do better, and go sit on your mighty perch and judge people based and an article seemingly written by a racist.
 
trouble13 said:
Sure they might of and it may of been a big missunderstanding. They may of been acting like typical bunchvof boy rough housing and expressing normsl male aggressiviness with each other. The woman may suffer from negrophobia or androphobia (fear of black people and fear of men). Neither of which is a crime.

Regardless of their intentions they entered her property uninvited. Her actions may of been an overreaction but it should not be a criminal act to protect ones self or property simply because a gun was involved.

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By her state laws, she my be guilty of something. They aren't a castle law state. Still, what gets me is the leftists come out and any thing that can be construed as racism, is.

We need to stop fueling such racial fires, but the left does nothing but add fuel.
 
Lord of Planar said:
By her state laws, she my be guilty of something. They aren't a castle law state. Still, what gets me is the leftists come out and any thing that can be construed as racism, is.

We need to stop fueling such racial fires, but the left does nothing but add fuel.
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I somewhat blame conservatives for cowering to it as if its the crime of the century to have stereotypical beliefs.

I perfer women dentists because they have smaller hands, maybe that is sexist but its certainly not a crime against male dentists.

I avoid going to certsin bars where i am the miniority because it makes me uncomfortable. Maybe that makes me racist but so what.

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trouble13 said:
I somewhat blame conservatives for cowering to it as if its the crime of the century to have stereotypical beliefs.

I perfer women dentists because they have smaller hands, maybe that is sexist but its certainly not a crime against male dentists.

I avoid going to certsin bars where i am the miniority because it makes me uncomfortable. Maybe that makes me racist but so what.

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I was once seeing a pretty black lady. We went to a few clubs she liked, and the racism against me was very notable. I was treated like I have never seen whites treat blacks in the whiter parts of town.

This race hatred is all backwards.
 
trouble13 said:
Because a group of male teenaged boys never pose a theat to a middle aged woman.

I dont know if her reaction was rational or not but you're opinion is irrational.

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I find it irrational that you defend her actions.
 
JMR said:
I find it irrational that you defend her actions.
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Its irrational of you to mistakenly think me not condemning her is me defending her. We do not have enough information to judge is what i have said.

It is not unreasonable for a middle aged woman to feel threatened when approached by 4 teenaged males full of toxic masculinity.

Its notable that the hierarchy on the left puts black privilege above women's privilege in this thread.






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trouble13 said:
Its irrational of you to mistakenly think me not condemning her is me defending her. We do not have enough information to judge is what i have said.

It is not unreasonable for a middle aged woman to feel threatened when approached by 4 teenaged males full of toxic masculinity.

Its notable that the hierarchy on the left puts black privilege above women's privilege in this thread.






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Why should a middle aged woman feel threatened by teenagers? What is going unsaid here? Oh wait, you did go and say it in your last line.

Nevertheless, because of her irrational fear, and her gun ownership she managed to escalate a benign situation into what could have been a tragedy. I guess I give her credit for not actually shooting them ...:roll:
 
DiAnna said:
It's good to hear that despite her hook with jail administration, she's still being booked and charged appropriately. Those poor kids; she must have scared the liver out of them, holding them at gunpoint for the audacity of selling discount tickets to support their school football team.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with people like this? The mind boggles. :(
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I work with a woman who is a little similar to this. She confronts people in her neighborhood and calls the cops on them for all kinds of reasons, and she constantly tells you, she has a concealed carry permit. It’s really weird for her to talk about her gun all the time and over estimate threats, because nobody has actually threatened her life that I am aware of.
 
Moot said:
What that implies is that 'this is no country for children' anymore.

Ugh, Throw Mama from the Train...

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She looks like a man, and she looks angry. I wonder if she is an anger filled person
 
Hari Seldon said:
I think that is why she was arrested and charged. The kids were out fund raising as they do in many neighborhoods including mine. She is an idiot. At least she didn't shoot them.
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I am surprised she got arrested. It seems like if you perceive somebody as a threat and kill them, it’s your right. She didn’t kill them, but she probably thought they were a threat.
 
JMR said:
Why should a middle aged woman feel threatened by teenagers? What is going unsaid here? Oh wait, you did go and say it in your last line.

Nevertheless, because of her irrational fear, and her gun ownership she managed to escalate a benign situation into what could have been a tragedy. I guess I give her credit for not actually shooting them ...:roll:
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You're allowing your irrational fear of guns affect your reaction.

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