How the Obama Administration Harmed Survivors of Campus Sexual Assault

Renae · Jul 8, 2019

Last week, the legal unraveling of the Obama-era campus sexual-assault guidelines entered a new phase. A student accused of sexual assault and subject to an unlawful, unconstitutional adjudication process filed a motion seeking class-action certification in his pre-existing lawsuit against Michigan State University. Rather than seeking to void the results only of his own flawed adjudication, he’s now seeking to void every adjudication where accused students were punished “without first being afforded a live hearing and opportunity for cross examination.”

Campus Sexual Assault: Obama Administration Harmed Survivors | National Review

Oh dear, if he wins... and really in the end it should go full on class action and destroy these college kangaroo courts and their BS. But a lot of guilty will be getting off scot free.

Captain Adverse · Jul 8, 2019

Renae said:
Campus Sexual Assault: Obama Administration Harmed Survivors | National Review

Oh dear, if he wins... and really in the end it should go full on class action and destroy these college kangaroo courts and their BS.

:applaud

Kudos for your position on this part of the issue. They really are "Kangaroo Courts," established by the same people who bring you all of those other extreme views on gender, third wave femi-"Nazism," and safe spaces.

That means if you are a male, then you are guilty until proven innocent, and they rarely feel any need to give much credence to evidence of innocence (as was the case with the gentleman in the article).

Renae said:
But a lot of guilty will be getting off scot free.

This is where we part company. "Guilt" is determined in a court of law, not a kangaroo court in some college Administrator's office. If a person is accused of a crime, then it should be pursued properly in the criminal justice system.

Meanwhile, I contend that an accused should ALWAYS be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. That does not mean the person is factually innocent. However, in any situation where there are major life-changing penalties accruing to such "judgements," then they should be had by proper legal procedures.

Renae · Jul 9, 2019

Captain Adverse said:
:applaud

Kudos for your position on this part of the issue. They really are "Kangaroo Courts," established by the same people who bring you all of those other extreme views on gender, third wave femi-"Nazism," and safe spaces.

That means if you are a male, then you are guilty until proven innocent, and they rarely feel any need to give much credence to evidence of innocence (as was the case with the gentleman in the article).

This is where we part company. "Guilt" is determined in a court of law, not a kangaroo court in some college Administrator's office. If a person is accused of a crime, then it should be pursued properly in the criminal justice system.

Meanwhile, I contend that an accused should ALWAYS be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. That does not mean the person is factually innocent. However, in any situation where there are major life-changing penalties accruing to such "judgements," then they should be had by proper legal procedures.

You misunderstand, as the article states, if he wins his class action suit, all the people who were "tried" as it were by these college admins will have their records cleared, the judgements reversed. That means the good and the bad:

Until those flawed proceedings are eradicated once and for all, we will see all too many innocent students face punishment for alleged crimes that they did not commit. At the same time, as flawed adjudications are overturned en masse, guilty students will be relieved of responsibility for their terrible misdeeds. We’ll see more women face the trauma of relitigating the worst day of their lives through absolutely no fault of their own.

Make no mistake, due process is hard. It requires courage and resolve from litigants. It requires all parties to walk an arduous path to the truth. And even under the best of circumstances it’s imperfect. But there is no better way. It’s a deep shame that young women across this country have been taught otherwise. It’s a deep shame that many of these women will now see their abusers vindicated in part because their “allies” tossed aside centuries of hard-earned wisdom. They thought they knew better. But they did not. And we can now see that both accused and accusers have paid a steep price.

joko104 · Jul 9, 2019

Universities should never adjudicate crimes. Complaints should be referred to the police - always - for investigation and determinations.

Nilhus · Jul 9, 2019

Renae said:
You misunderstand, as the article states, if he wins his class action suit, all the people who were "tried" as it were by these college admins will have their records cleared, the judgements reversed.

Sounds good, but that's not enough. All the "sex" crimes all over the US should be retried and in each case rigorously checked for:
- objective evidence of harm(medical stuff)
- objective evidence that shows that the suspect committed the harm

Renae said:
Sexual Assault: Obama Administration Harmed Survivors

"survivors"? Did they suffer life threatening injuries, or were they attacked with deadly weapon and narrowly escaped? Otherwise this is nasty propaganda that should be severely punished!

How the Obama Administration Harmed Survivors of Campus Sexual Assault

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