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Chelsae Manning Jailed by Grand Jury

Thoreau72 said:
Manning's or Daniel Ellsberg's.
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Sorry mate, I was referring to Twain's change of heart regarding his views on the US empire.

Daniel Ellsberg and Chelsea Manning , imo , are two of the most praiseworthy Americans I have come across when it comes to integrity , bravery and the likes. There are some others too but I don't want to start splaying the thread all over the place
 
commondreams said:
“If we actually had a functioning judicial system and an independent press, Manning would have been a witness for the prosecution against the war criminals he helped expose,” I wrote after I and Cornel West attended Manning’s sentencing in 2013 at Fort Meade, Md. “He would not have been headed, bound and shackled, to the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. His testimony would have ensured that those who waged illegal war, tortured, lied to the public, monitored our electronic communications and ordered the gunning down of unarmed civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen were sent to Fort Leavenworth’s cells. If we had a functioning judiciary the hundreds of rapes and murders Manning made public would be investigated. The officials and generals who lied to us when they said they did not keep a record of civilian dead would be held to account for the 109,032 ‘violent deaths’ in Iraq, including those of 66,081 civilians.
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Chelsea Manning and the New Inquisition

The crazy situation whereby those that engage in exposing the major criminals are prosecuted by the system that should be prosecuting the people they helped expose.
 
HumblePi said:
JHC, history has been nothing BUT wars! How do you think nations and entire countries are formed, boundaries changed, people displaced? You appear to seek to be an incendiary here to stir up malcontent by trashing this country and the UK and praising Russia. Countries aren't seized and taken over by peaceful bribes of gold, tea and sweet cakes. It's WARS that change borders and slaughter humans.
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Don't try to advance that crap. WWII war criminals were hung for the same things the USA as been doing without a pause since 1890. Every US president since WWII is a war criminal just as evil as the Nazis.

The U.S. is far more open and accepting to LGBTQ than Russia or China. For very good reasons, the LBGTQ communities find more openness and accepting in the more diversified, urban areas of the country. Someone that's 'different' in any way usually don't intentionally move to somewhere like Bumble****, Alabama.[/QUOTE]
 
ralphcdp said:
Don't try to advance that crap. WWII war criminals were hung for the same things the USA as been doing without a pause since 1890. Every US president since WWII is a war criminal just as evil as the Nazis.

The U.S. is far more open and accepting to LGBTQ than Russia or China. For very good reasons, the LBGTQ communities find more openness and accepting in the more diversified, urban areas of the country. Someone that's 'different' in any way usually don't intentionally move to somewhere like Bumble****, Alabama.
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Your crap is the real 'crap'. Don't try to school me on history, I'm much older and have lived through more than you possibly will. Trashing each of our presidents since WWII by calling them 'war criminals' just makes you look even more ignorant - and COMMUNIST
 
ralphcdp said:
Don't try to advance that crap. WWII war criminals were hung for the same things the USA as been doing without a pause since 1890. Every US president since WWII is a war criminal just as evil as the Nazis.

The U.S. is far more open and accepting to LGBTQ than Russia or China. For very good reasons, the LBGTQ communities find more openness and accepting in the more diversified, urban areas of the country. Someone that's 'different' in any way usually don't intentionally move to somewhere like Bumble****, Alabama.
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You keep saying that. On what do you base this on?
 
HumblePi said:
Your crap is the real 'crap'. Don't try to school me on history, I'm much older and have lived through more than you possibly will. Trashing each of our presidents since WWII by calling them 'war criminals' just makes you look even more ignorant - and COMMUNIST
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Obviously you need to go back to school but not an American one, all they do is brainwash the kids, way way way worse than China or Russia.

"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg. And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve got to think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and Tokyo. And once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a moment’s waste of time." -- Noam Chomsky
 
ralphcdp said:
Obviously you need to go back to school but not an American one, all they do is brainwash the kids, way way way worse than China or Russia.

"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg. And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve got to think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and Tokyo. And once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a moment’s waste of time." -- Noam Chomsky
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Yep, you're definitely not an American. Adios Comrade.
 
HumblePi said:
Your crap is the real 'crap'. Don't try to school me on history, I'm much older and have lived through more than you possibly will. Trashing each of our presidents since WWII by calling them 'war criminals' just makes you look even more ignorant - and COMMUNIST
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The truth is often bitter. It is a fact that many if not all POTUS since WWII qualify as war criminals. Bush & Co were convicted in court of just that crime in 2014.

You should avoid seeking the truth when it makes you sick.
 
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