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    Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Why the delay in announcing the verdict?
    I get unfavorable impression of the officer based on his testimony and the disturbing footage from the dash cam. Chicago doesn’t need anymore trouble. Delay seems ominous......
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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Why the delay in announcing the verdict?
    I get unfavorable impression of the officer based on his testimony and the disturbing footage from the dash cam. Chicago doesn’t need anymore trouble. Delay seems ominous......
    Looks like he was found guilty. I do find it funny that there was a large group ready to start a riot even before they heard the verdict

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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Looks like he was found guilty. I do find it funny that there was a large group ready to start a riot even before they heard the verdict
    2nd degree what’s the difference from 1st?
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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    2nd degree what’s the difference from 1st?
    1st degree is premeditated

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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    What are the cases to be made for and against conviction?

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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    2nd degree what’s the difference from 1st?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    1st degree is premeditated
    Not quite true - Illinois is different than other states. A second degree is where first degree is proven, but a mitigating factor exists.
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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    What are the cases to be made for and against conviction?
    For - Watch the video.

    Against -

    In the United States, the reason that police have been found 'not guilty' of murder charges is an underlying shift in how our court systems view the homocide on account of: Graham v. Connor (1989) - The finding that an objective reasonableness standard should apply to a free citizen's claim that law enforcement officials used excessive force in the course of making an arrest, investigatory stop, or other "seizure" of his person.

    In the past, one would have usually viewed a fatal shooting by a police officer as a complex, multi-factor story leading up to the event, as well as consideration whether the resulting action (the fatal shooting) was excessive or not. SCOTUS in Graham v. Connor found that neither that story nor the extent of force matter. Rather, in the moment, when the police officer pulled the trigger, did that particular reaction meet an objective reasonableness standard? If it did, then it is justifiable. If not, then the officer is at fault.

    The consequence has been a whole-scale shift of finding police officers as 'not guilty'. Juries have found again and again that when you are told to ignore the lead-up story, and to ignore the excess of the resulting force or violence, that the officer acted reasonably. The officer is not guilty for shooting Laquan McDonald sixteen times, because in the moment, Laquan made a threatening hand movement towards his pocket. Or in that moment, Laquan lurched towards the officer. Or in that moment, the police officer felt that his life was at stake.


    ( Personally I think it negates the responsibility to which LEOs ought be held, and that it's ridiculous to have this onslaught of 'not guilty' decisions for cops who commit obscene violence while being clearly in the wrong. )
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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Why the delay in announcing the verdict?
    I get unfavorable impression of the officer based on his testimony and the disturbing footage from the dash cam. Chicago doesn’t need anymore trouble. Delay seems ominous......
    Is the case about the time of Central Time listed on the Dash Cam?
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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    What are the cases to be made for and against conviction?
    That he was either guilty or innocent of the crime...
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    Interesting but useless.
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    Re: Awaiting Verdict Announcement in Chicago 1345 Central Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    1st degree is premeditated
    Not just that. It depends on the jurisdiction.

    There is also extreme atrocity & cruelty murder in MA. That's also 1st degree.

    Additionally, many jurisdictions have a felony murder rule that results in 1st degree.

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