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Dogs Should Be Banned From Police Use

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Sometime back I made a thread about how dogs are often inaccurate in sniffing out drugs and that there can be false positives where a police dog supposedly sniffs drugs when there are in fact no drugs. Well that's not the only reason why dogs should be banned from police use. Here is all the more reason why police should not be allowed to use dogs in their line of work.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-dog-attack-didnt-violate-womans-rights-judge-rules
 
You can find parallels with all the tools used by law enforcement. The relationship between mayor and police chief can be distorted by politics and have adverse affects. This can lead to far worse problems, as seen in Chicago. There are even potential problems with tools like computers.

Dogs are another tool. But like any tool, it is as good as the operator. A dog is tool that supplements the gun. If you fire the gun, you cannot recall the bullet. With a dog that is well trained, you can recall him and avoid serious harm. The dog is a very versatile tool in police work. They can hear, see and smell beyond the human and can come in handy for early detection of threats. They alert the humans. After being alerted humans make the final call. Dogs follow the chain of command and don't set policy or give orders.

Nowadays, the choice of police K-9 dog is the Belgian Malinois. They are fast and agile and excel at all the dog skills. They are the swiss army knife of dogs. The can alert, track, detect, protect, guard, search, and destroy all in one day.

The Doberman Pincher was also very good K-9, but their bite was too strong, so they are not used as much. They often harmed assailants beyond what is needed, even without malice for the assailant. They react and crush a man's arm in one bite. The Doberman have been substituted by weaker bite dogs. The German Shepherd is also a good police dog with a wide range of skills and a moderate to strong bite. The Malinois has the weakest bite of these three. The police are getting softer in terms of dog impact.

The Doberman was used during WWII in the Pacific theater as a military K-9. They were called the "Black Devil", by the Japanese. They would be sent out at night to seek and destroy snipers, hiding in the jungle brush. The Viet Nam war use the Rhodesian Ridgeback for that same purpose; seek and destroy to stabilize the jungle perimeter. The Malinois was the choice of dog in the Middle east wars from the 1990's onward. The desert is more open, compared to the jungles, so they did not need a seek and destroy K-9 dog suitable in thick brush. Malinois were/are used to detect bombs and boogie traps and saved hundred if not thousands of soldier lives.
 
Sometime back I made a thread about how dogs are often inaccurate in sniffing out drugs and that there can be false positives where a police dog supposedly sniffs drugs when there are in fact no drugs. Well that's not the only reason why dogs should be banned from police use. Here is all the more reason why police should not be allowed to use dogs in their line of work.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-dog-attack-didnt-violate-womans-rights-judge-rules

So...it is your contention that because a police dog unintentionally attacked a woman that all police dogs should be banned. With that line of reasoning why not just ban all police period? What with all the unintended shootings of innocent people. The unintentional raids that targeted the wrong house. etc etc.

That is the logic that you're displaying here.
 
Yes, the dog can be a useful tool, but any useful tool can be misused by the authorities.

Some people are understandably petrified by dogs, and some people enjoy scaring others in that way, as we saw at Abu Ghraib.

Their record of false positives in drug cases has been demonstrated many times, so like their human handlers, they are fallible. The cops like to use them in that role because false positive or not, the cops get to seize property.
 
So...it is your contention that because a police dog unintentionally attacked a woman that all police dogs should be banned. With that line of reasoning why not just ban all police period? What with all the unintended shootings of innocent people. The unintentional raids that targeted the wrong house. etc etc.

That is the logic that you're displaying here.

The dog intentionally attacked the woman, the police officer didn't intend to have the dog attack the woman. Let's get that straight before you're attempts at making propaganda truth take hold in the minds of the less intelligent.

You are misrepresenting here.

It is the contention of the person you are replying to that, police dogs are ineffective as tools to locate drugs. And ineffective as tools to apprehend the correct suspect, that they are just as liable to maul a pregnant woman in the area as the suspect. Their liability outweighs their effectiveness by a wide margin.

Address the posters argument honestly, and stop trying to turn it into them explaining what they meant when you know what they meant you're just twisting because you have the low ground and no effective counter argument.

You have been super bad about pitching propaganda lately.
 
My neighbor is a k-nine PO...when he's off duty, his poor German Shepherd stays in a small kennel all the time...maybe 4'x10'...hottest hot weather and coldest cold weather...I go out on the deck and talk to him sometimes, i feel so bad for him...:(
 
From linked article:

Little said Mancini will likely have to declare bankruptcy to pay her medical bills without the police department or the city being held responsible.

Another example of why we need universal, single-payer healthcare. We seem to hold dogs in higher regard than humans.
 
The dog intentionally attacked the woman, the police officer didn't intend to have the dog attack the woman. Let's get that straight before you're attempts at making propaganda truth take hold in the minds of the less intelligent.

You are misrepresenting here.

It is the contention of the person you are replying to that, police dogs are ineffective as tools to locate drugs. And ineffective as tools to apprehend the correct suspect, that they are just as liable to maul a pregnant woman in the area as the suspect. Their liability outweighs their effectiveness by a wide margin.

Address the posters argument honestly, and stop trying to turn it into them explaining what they meant when you know what they meant you're just twisting because you have the low ground and no effective counter argument.

You have been super bad about pitching propaganda lately.

:roll: How about instead of telling me what to do you just argue about what was said?
 
So...it is your contention that because a police dog unintentionally attacked a woman that all police dogs should be banned. With that line of reasoning why not just ban all police period? What with all the unintended shootings of innocent people. The unintentional raids that targeted the wrong house. etc etc.

That is the logic that you're displaying here.

Or better yet, let's ban guns and cars using the same logic.
 
If an officer can shoot a barking dog because they fear for their life, then their use of canines is the same and so should be controlled the same as all uses of lethal force.
 
My neighbor is a k-nine PO...when he's off duty, his poor German Shepherd stays in a small kennel all the time...maybe 4'x10'...hottest hot weather and coldest cold weather...I go out on the deck and talk to him sometimes, i feel so bad for him...:(

You know that the dog doesn't understand what you are saying though... right?
 
The dog intentionally attacked the woman, the police officer didn't intend to have the dog attack the woman. Let's get that straight before you're attempts at making propaganda truth take hold in the minds of the less intelligent.

You are misrepresenting here.

It is the contention of the person you are replying to that, police dogs are ineffective as tools to locate drugs. And ineffective as tools to apprehend the correct suspect, that they are just as liable to maul a pregnant woman in the area as the suspect. Their liability outweighs their effectiveness by a wide margin.

Address the posters argument honestly, and stop trying to turn it into them explaining what they meant when you know what they meant you're just twisting because you have the low ground and no effective counter argument.

You have been super bad about pitching propaganda lately.

When a person says that "the dog did not intentionally attack" they mean that the police officer did not intend to have the dog attack because the dog is a weapon,. like a gun. So what he said was accurate... :doh:
 
If an officer can shoot a barking dog because they fear for their life, then their use of canines is the same and so should be controlled the same as all uses of lethal force.
Police dogs are not "lethal force"...
 
You know that the dog doesn't understand what you are saying though... right?

Not true...he knows his name and he knows by the sound of my voice that I care for him...
 
Not true...he knows his name and he knows by the sound of my voice that I care for him...

If you said that you cared for him and that you were gonna behead him in the same soft soothing voice the stupid dog would not know the difference...
 
If you said that you cared for him and that you were gonna behead him in the same soft soothing voice the stupid dog would not know the difference...

Dogs are not stupid but some people are...
 
Dogs are not stupid but some people are...

Says the person that thinks that dogs can understand what words mean... Stimulus Response... read up on it.
 
Says the person that thinks that dogs can understand what words mean... Stimulus Response... read up on it.

My dogs have a pretty extensive vocabulary...they know the words, do ya want supper, do ya wanna eat, do you have to go out, go poop, go pee, stop that, no, quiet, stop barking, ya ready to go to bed, get out of the kitchen, you know the drill, go downstairs, go out on the deck, twirl around, just to name a few...and they both know their names...so there...:2razz:
 
My dogs have a pretty extensive vocabulary...they know the words, do ya want supper, do ya wanna eat, do you have to go out, go poop, go pee, stop that, no, quiet, stop barking, ya ready to go to bed, get out of the kitchen, you know the drill, out on the deck, twirl around, just to name a few...and they both know their names...so there...:2razz:

Stimulus Response... that is all it is. ;)

But I like dogs... my Golden (Dusty) is cute as a button.
 
Stimulus Response... that is all it is. ;)

But I like dogs... my Golden (Dusty) is cute as a button.

Maybe but I don't think you give them enough credit...my older dog tries to talk...at times it sounds exactly like he says nooooo when we tell him to stop barking...
 
My dogs have a pretty extensive vocabulary...they know the words, do ya want supper, do ya wanna eat, do you have to go out, go poop, go pee, stop that, no, quiet, stop barking, ya ready to go to bed, get out of the kitchen, you know the drill, go downstairs, go out on the deck, twirl around, just to name a few...and they both know their names...so there...:2razz:

Yes, but they don't understand a conversation. That doesn't mean they are stupid, though. Dogs are quite smart. Put 3 milkbones in your pocket and only give him/her two and see what happens.....
 
Maybe but I don't think you give them enough credit...my older dog tries to talk...at times it sounds exactly like he says nooooo when we tell him to stop barking...

I had one that would give a little yip after being told to stop ... almost like she had to have the last word lol
 
Sometime back I made a thread about how dogs are often inaccurate in sniffing out drugs and that there can be false positives where a police dog supposedly sniffs drugs when there are in fact no drugs. Well that's not the only reason why dogs should be banned from police use. Here is all the more reason why police should not be allowed to use dogs in their line of work.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-dog-attack-didnt-violate-womans-rights-judge-rules

My dog says, "Dare come to our neighborhood, I'll bite your butt, just don't bite back."
 
From linked article:

Little said Mancini will likely have to declare bankruptcy to pay her medical bills without the police department or the city being held responsible.

Another example of why we need universal, single-payer healthcare. We seem to hold dogs in higher regard than humans.

I do hold dogs in higher regards than many humans, justifiably.
 
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