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Chris Coons expresses the goal of social justice

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You can skip to about the 1:40 mark for the punchline or you can watch the whole thing for the setup too.

Basically, Coons, a guy with a JD from Yale, LITERALLY says that Kavanaugh has the burden of proof to disprove the allegations of Ford and Ramirez while Ford and Ramirez, apparently, have no such obligation. I mean, this guy was graduated from a top law school and still figured that was a good way to handle things.

This is what "Social Justice" is all about. It's about totally disregarding the rights of one person because another person of a specified "aggrieved class" has lodged a complaint. Worse than that, in a "Social Justice" system like what we're seeing, the people aren't the ones who get to pick the "aggrieved class". That class is identified by a given political party and selected expressly for the purpose of furthering the political goals of said party.
 
Basically, Coons, a guy with a JD from Yale, LITERALLY says that Kavanaugh has the burden of proof to disprove the allegations of Ford and Ramirez while Ford and Ramirez, apparently, have no such obligation.
Ford and Ramirez are not seeking confirmation to the highest court in the land. Kavanaugh is. So, yes, the onus is on Kavanaugh to credibly refute the allegations.

This is not a criminal process, this is a political one.

This is what "Social Justice" is all about. It's about totally disregarding the rights of one person because another person of a specified "aggrieved class" has lodged a complaint.
Please point me to the right of an individual to have a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. There is no such right, you made it up.

Kavanaugh could end all of it tomorrow. He could remove himself from the process and then he wouldn't have to explain anything to anyone. But as long as he is seeking political power (which, let's face it, that's what it is), then he has to be able to satisfactorily answer the allegations.

That class is identified by a given political party and selected expressly for the purpose of furthering the political goals of said party.
The lies and the persecution complex never ends with some.
 
Ford and Ramirez are not seeking confirmation to the highest court in the land. Kavanaugh is. So, yes, the onus is on Kavanaugh to credibly refute the allegations.

This is not a criminal process, this is a political one.

Please point me to the right of an individual to have a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. There is no such right, you made it up.

Kavanaugh could end all of it tomorrow. He could remove himself from the process and then he wouldn't have to explain anything to anyone. But as long as he is seeking political power (which, let's face it, that's what it is), then he has to be able to satisfactorily answer the allegations.

The lies and the persecution complex never ends with some.

I suppose it doesn't strike you as being the least bit ironic that you're suggesting the legal process can be abandoned when the objective is political...which is exactly what I was saying was the problem with "social justice".
 
I suppose it doesn't strike you as being the least bit ironic that you're suggesting the legal process can be abandoned when the objective is political
The legal process doesn't mean anything unless it is a legal matter. That's a stupid comment. For example, if I cuss out a customer at work, I cannot protest my company firing me because of the first amendment. If my girlfriend goes through my things to find out if I'm cheating on her, I don't get to defend myself with the 4th Amendment.

The legal process only matters with legal matters. Kavanaugh has no rights in this situation, with regards to getting a job. He is seeking a job promotion, Ford and Ramirez are not. It is not a legal matter. It is on Kavanaugh to convince "the board" to promote him. It's that simple.

...which is exactly what I was saying was the problem with "social justice".
Yes, I am well aware of the lies you posted. Please save us time and don't post them again.
 
Ford and Ramirez are not seeking confirmation to the highest court in the land. Kavanaugh is. So, yes, the onus is on Kavanaugh to credibly refute the allegations.

For the sake of argument, please try to demonstrate how someone in Kavanaugh's shoes could "credibly refute the allegations." I am not being facetious, I am in deadly earnest.

Remove yourself from your current role of being one of the accuser's advocates, and instead play "Devil's Advocate."

Guide us through the steps you'd take and what defense you'd use if you were Kavanaugh and faced with refuting the "fact pattern" alleged by Ms. Blasely-Ford. Don't add to it, or subtract from it, stick to the story as we know it so far.

EDIT: Anyone is open to this challenge. Don't try to deflect by asking someone on the other side to Advocate for Ms. Blasely-Ford. After all, the basic presumption of your argument is that the accused has to prove he did not do it.
 
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For the sake of argument, please demonstrate how someone in Kavanaugh's shoes could "credibly refute the allegations."
He speaks in such a way he convinces those who are to vote. He could ask for an FBI investigation (which he isn't). He could ask those who were part of the alleged situations to testify under oath (which he isn't).

There are several steps he could take...but he isn't.

I am not being facetious, I am in deadly earnest.
No, it's a valid point. It's hard to prove a negative. That's why the Senate should do their jobs and credibly investigate the claims. That's why the FBI should have been allowed to do an investigation.

So...why are those things not happening? Why are Republicans in such a rush to push this through?

Take us through the steps you'd use if you were Kavanaugh and faced with the "fact pattern" alleged by Ms. Blasely-Ford.
See above. Add "I'd be willing to testify before or after Ms. Ford, either way, whether I'm in the room or not". There's all sorts of steps an innocent person would want to happen. But Kavanaugh, and Republicans, don't.

Do I believe Kavanaugh assaulted these women? I honestly have no idea. That's why I want investigations done.

But Kavanaugh and Republicans don't.
 
The legal process doesn't mean anything unless it is a legal matter. That's a stupid comment. For example, if I cuss out a customer at work, I cannot protest my company firing me because of the first amendment. If my girlfriend goes through my things to find out if I'm cheating on her, I don't get to defend myself with the 4th Amendment.

The legal process only matters with legal matters. Kavanaugh has no rights in this situation, with regards to getting a job. He is seeking a job promotion, Ford and Ramirez are not. It is not a legal matter. It is on Kavanaugh to convince "the board" to promote him. It's that simple.

Yes, I am well aware of the lies you posted. Please save us time and don't post them again.

I would suggest that you are very much wrong in your assessment. Kavanaugh testified under oath to the committee. His testimony is subject to penalties under the classification of perjury. Ford is being called to testify under oath as well and, likewise, she will be subject to penalties if she commits perjury. This confirmation is a legal process, not a job interview. It's part of the "advice and consent" function set forth in the Constitution which is the basis for the laws of the nation. The nomination and confirmation of judges is, without question, a legal matter and, as such, MUST follow the law.

As I said, "Social Justice" is the abandonment of law in favor of political will and, frankly, you're doing a fine job of proving my point for me.
 
For the sake of argument, please try to demonstrate how someone in Kavanaugh's shoes could "credibly refute the allegations." I am not being facetious, I am in deadly earnest.

Remove yourself from your current role of being one of the accuser's advocates, and instead play "Devil's advocate."

Take us through the steps you'd take and what defense you'd use if you were Kavanaugh and faced with refuting the "fact pattern" alleged by Ms. Blasely-Ford. Don't add to it, or subtract from it, stick to the story as we know it so far.

My sense is both sides know this is about the elections in a few weeks,not about this judge. Democrats understand that republicans have essentially no safety net with a majority by one vote. There is more than one never Trumper among that group (who are quitting after this year) that will look to screw him if they can. Doubt that any democrat will vote for him even if the alleged victim proved to be a total liar,which probably will not happen.

Republicans have proven they do not have the stomach to get in the gutter. Trump proved that by wiping them out in the primaries. Reid proved that when he lied about Romney's taxes and then laughed that we won so all is good. Proven again when Roberts upheld the ACA. Think Kagan or Sotomayor would vote against Obama?

Probably good they will be wiped out in a few weeks. Perhaps then we can get back to two parties fighting,rolling around in the streets like the lowlifes America seems to want in their politicians.
 
He speaks in such a way he convinces those who are to vote. He could ask for an FBI investigation (which he isn't). He could ask those who were part of the alleged situations to testify under oath (which he isn't).

There are several steps he could take...but he isn't.

No, it's a valid point. It's hard to prove a negative. That's why the Senate should do their jobs and credibly investigate the claims. That's why the FBI should have been allowed to do an investigation.

So...why are those things not happening? Why are Republicans in such a rush to push this through?

See above. Add "I'd be willing to testify before or after Ms. Ford, either way, whether I'm in the room or not". There's all sorts of steps an innocent person would want to happen. But Kavanaugh, and Republicans, don't.

Do I believe Kavanaugh assaulted these women? I honestly have no idea. That's why I want investigations done.

But Kavanaugh and Republicans don't.

I appreciate your effort, but you are really advocating for Ms. Blasely-Ford by your answers. Even so, as I pointed out in other threads, Ms. Blasely-Ford has not supplied sufficient evidence for a reasonable FBI investigation.

Significant time, money, and effort would be wasted only to perhaps find nothing...and still we must believe her statement and he still has to prove he did not do it.

Don't add to the fact pattern. Don't add to his requirements. How does Kavanaugh prove he did not do it when faced with the fact pattern provided by the accuser?
 
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I would suggest that you are very much wrong in your assessment.
Except I'm not. Kavanaugh is not sitting before Congress being accused of a crime, he is sitting before Congress seeking a job promotion.

Kavanaugh testified under oath to the committee. His testimony is subject to penalties under the classification of perjury.
Only if he lies...and if he does lie and is charged with perjury, then all of his legal rights kick in.

But he doesn't have a right to a job. He doesn't have a right to lie under oath. His rights have not been affected once, despite the false claim you made earlier.

Ford is being called to testify under oath as well and, likewise, she will be subject to penalties if she commits perjury.
Only if she lies.

This confirmation is a legal process, not a job interview.
False. 100% false. This is a political process, outlined in the Constitution itself as how the government runs itself. It is 100% a political process.

It's part of the "advice and consent" function set forth in the Constitution which is the basis for the laws of the nation.
I think you need to go review the Constitution.

This is political. Only political. Thus, it is Kavanaugh's responsibility to convince those who would vote for him he is worthy of the job. Ford and Ramirez have no such responsibilities.

Please stop posting lies.
 
#LiberalLogic101: ‘Every Woman Has The Right To Be Believed’: Except Those Raped By Bill Clinton, Beaten By Keith Ellison, Groped By Cory Booker Or Killed By Ted Kennedy
 
I simply do not know what to say. Are we truly living in an era of American History where the accused have to prove their innocence and the accuser does not have to prove their claim? SERIOUSLY!?!?!? My ****ing god people. Where the hell did your minds go?
 
Except I'm not. Kavanaugh is not sitting before Congress being accused of a crime, he is sitting before Congress seeking a job promotion.

Only if he lies...and if he does lie and is charged with perjury, then all of his legal rights kick in.

But he doesn't have a right to a job. He doesn't have a right to lie under oath. His rights have not been affected once, despite the false claim you made earlier.

Only if she lies.

False. 100% false. This is a political process, outlined in the Constitution itself as how the government runs itself. It is 100% a political process.

I think you need to go review the Constitution.

This is political. Only political. Thus, it is Kavanaugh's responsibility to convince those who would vote for him he is worthy of the job. Ford and Ramirez have no such responsibilities.

Please stop posting lies.

I really don't even know how to respond to this. You seem to be suggesting that the law doesn't kick in unless or until someone commits a crime. That's just plain wrong. Nobody is saying that Kavanaugh has a right to be a Supreme Court justice. What I'm saying is that the process to get him that job is a legal one and, as such, the law must be followed in that process. You seem to be saying that the process only becomes a legal one if he lies at some point. Well, the way we decide whether or not someone lies is, get this, a legal one!

Only in "Social Justice" world is the function of the law in a legal process subject to the political whims of those tasked with creating the law.:doh
 
I simply do not know what to say. Are we truly living in an era of American History where the accused have to prove their innocence and the accuser does not have to prove their claim? SERIOUSLY!?!?!? My ****ing god people. Where the hell did your minds go?

Apparently. We've got a specialist on the subject spelling it all out for us in this thread.
 
Apparently. We've got a specialist on the subject spelling it all out for us in this thread.

The thing is that this isn't even a legal argument from my pov. It's a simple decency and doing what is right argument. Never in my entire life have I EVER heard of such bull**** and spin as that expressed by Coons and Slyfox.
 
I simply do not know what to say. Are we truly living in an era of American History where the accused have to prove their innocence and the accuser does not have to prove their claim? SERIOUSLY!?!?!? My ****ing god people. Where the hell did your minds go?
I know we're debating something similar in another thread and I do plan to get back to it, but you are confusing issues.

The only time the accused is afforded the right to be believed is in a legal setting. Outside of that, neither the accused or the accuser has a right to be believed. However, we know for a fact that for a long time the accusers were never believed and victims of sexual assault were too afraid to come forward. Victims have a right to be heard.

As I said to others, if Kavanaugh was just an every day normal person, then this is basically a he said/she said issue and no one cares. But since Kavanaugh is applying for a job promotion, then yes, it is on him to successfully defend himself. Kavanaugh has to convince "the board" he is worthy of the job promotion.

My mind is perfectly on topic and I'd appreciate it if you'd join me. ;)
 
I really don't even know how to respond to this.
Yes, I'm well aware of your inability to understand the absurdity of your argument.

You seem to be suggesting that the law doesn't kick in unless or until someone commits a crime.
No, I'm rebutting your claim that Kavanaugh has a "right" to this job promotion. As I've said.

Nobody is saying that Kavanaugh has a right to be a Supreme Court justice.
Yes, you did:

It's about totally disregarding the rights of one person

Why are you posting a lie about something so easily proven?

What I'm saying is that the process to get him that job is a legal one
No, it is political. He is not judged by jury nor judge. He is not to be found guilty or not guilty or at fault. He is simply trying to get people to agree he is worthy of a job promotion. It's political.

You seem to be saying that the process only becomes a legal one if he lies at some point.
No, I did not say that. I said if Kavanaugh commits a crime (perjury) during his job interview, then his rights will be protected in a potential subsequent legal matter. But, absent the committing of a crime, he has no right to the job he hopes to attain through a political process.

Only in "Social Justice"
It would be much easier to take your position seriously if you weren't clearly pushing an agenda. You clearly have ZERO interest in discussing this and just want to push your agenda. The fact you keep using this phrase over and over says all anyone needs to know about your intentions.
Sorry, just saw this post (must have skipped over it on accident).
I appreciate your effort, but you are really advocating for Ms. Blasely-Ford by your answers.
I'm not. I'm advocating for an investigation to get the facts. You can find my position more fully fleshed out in the other thread I'm posting in (I can link you if you care).

Even so, as I pointed out in other threads, Ms. Blasely-Ford has not supplied sufficient evidence for a reasonable FBI investigation.
People are asking for a background investigation, not a criminal one.

Significant time, money, and effort would be wasted only to perhaps find nothing.
Which is true of any investigation conducted by law enforcement.

How does Kavanaugh prove he did not do it when faced with the fact pattern provided by the accuser?
I've told you how most innocent people would handle it. Kavanaugh is not handling it like most innocent people would handle it.

The thing is that this isn't even a legal argument from my pov. It's a simple decency and doing what is right argument.
So it is "simple decency and doing what is right" to ignore and disbelieve multiple people who claim they are victims of sexual assault just because you support the potential offender's politics?

How does that work exactly?

Never in my entire life have I EVER heard of such bull**** and spin as that expressed by Coons and Slyfox.
You are literally replying to someone who is clearly shilling an agenda and you are accusing me of "bull**** and spin"? Really? The fact Lutherf has used the same phrase in EVERY post in this thread hasn't made you stop and think about the spin you're supporting? C'mon Kal'Stang, I know you're better than that.
 
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Yes, I'm well aware of your inability to understand the absurdity of your argument.

No, I'm rebutting your claim that Kavanaugh has a "right" to this job promotion. As I've said.

Yes, you did:

Oh FFS.

The "rights" I was talking about were KAvanaugh's right to a presumption of innocence and his right to be confronted by his accuser, not his right to the position. The very fact that such rights didn't even occur to you is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
 
So it is "simple decency and doing what is right" to ignore and disbelieve multiple people who claim they are victims of sexual assault just because you support the potential offender's politics?

Multiple people? There's 2 so far. Neither one of them have had anyone other than people that weren't there back up their claim. Essentially saying that if they claim its true, then they believe them. Both of them have their own friends saying "no, didn't happen". One of them admits that they are not even sure it was Kavanaugh.

How does that work exactly?

How does it work exactly that the accused have to prove that they're innocent? Since when has that EVER been a standard in this country?

You are literally replying to someone who is clearly shilling an agenda and you are accusing me of "bull**** and spin"? Really? The fact Lutherf has used the same phrase in EVERY post in this thread hasn't made you stop and think about the spin you're supporting? C'mon Kal'Stang, I know you're better than that.

And I thought you were better than saying that Kavanaugh has to "credibly refute the allegations". Again, when has that EVER been a standard in this country? If these womens claims alone are enough to assert that they're telling the truth then Kavanaugh's claim of being innocent is enough to assert he's telling the truth. But they can't both be telling the truth can they? So, who has the burden of proof? According to you and Coons its Kavanaugh. According to what's right and decent...its the women making the claim.
 
The "rights" I was talking about were KAvanaugh's right to a presumption of innocence
A right which ONLY exists in a legal setting, of which this is not. As I have said. Thank you for proving me correct.

and his right to be confronted by his accuser
A right which ONLY exists in a legal setting, of which this is not. As I have said. Thank you for proving me correct.

not his right to the position.
Then none of his rights are being disregarded, as I stated. Thank you for proving me correct.

The very fact that such rights didn't even occur to you is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
They don't occur to me because they don't exist outside a legal setting. No one has the "right" to be presumed anything. No one has the "right" to confront someone who accuses them of something. No one has the "right" to be presumed innocent. None of those "rights" exist...unless it is in a legal setting. As I have said.

Get it now?
Multiple people? There's 2 so far.
That would be multiple people. Plus, Avenatti has come forward with someone who says will reveal themselves by Wednesday.

Neither one of them have had anyone other than people that weren't there back up their claim.
You're avoiding the point.

Please tell me how it is simple decency to disbelieve those who claim to be victims of sexual assault. Thank you.

How does it work exactly that the accused have to prove that they're innocent?
It works in the way it is working now, which is Kavanaugh wants a job and he has to convince those who have the power to give it to him that he didn't do it.

Since when has that EVER been a standard in this country?
Umm...always? For example, how many people didn't vote for Hillary because of Uranium One or Pizzagate? How many didn't vote for Obama because he was a "Kenyan Muslim who was going to convert us to Sharia Law"?

In the political process, those looking for more power have ALWAYS have to convince people they are not responsible for the things for which they are accused.

And I thought you were better than saying that Kavanaugh has to "credibly refute the allegations".
But it's accurate. Kavanaugh is the one wanting a job promotion, his "bosses" have suggested this issue is important to them, so it is on him to prove his position. Just like any other job interview ever.

You're not looking at this correctly. You are looking at it through a jury trial lens. This is not a jury trial, it is a job interview.

Also, I can't help but notice how you sidestepped the fact you were supporting someone who was quite literally shilling spin.
 
That would be multiple people. Plus, Avenatti has come forward with someone who says will reveal themselves by Wednesday.

Multiple is 3 or more. And I'll believe Avenatti when he reveals the person and makes their case. Until then I'll just deal with the 2 we have.

You're avoiding the point.

Please tell me how it is simple decency to disbelieve those who claim to be victims of sexual assault. Thank you.

Until such time as they prove their claims why should we believe them? Just cause? Pfft.

It works in the way it is working now, which is Kavanaugh wants a job and he has to convince those who have the power to give it to him that he didn't do it.

That he wants the job is immaterial. This is about allegations. If someone gets accused of the same thing while not being nominated for SCOTUS would you be saying the same thing? If Kavanaugh already had the job would you be saying the same thing? Him being nominated is nothing more than an excuse to demand that he prove his innocence and until he does he's guilty as charged. No. I will never accept such a standard. Its a ridiculous standard fit for the medieval ages. Not today's society.

Umm...always? For example, how many people didn't vote for Hillary because of Uranium One or Pizzagate? How many didn't vote for Obama because he was a "Kenyan Muslim who was going to convert us to Sharia Law"?

In the political process, those looking for more power have ALWAYS have to convince people they are not responsible for the things for which they are accused.

Elections are far different than proving your qualifications. Elections are not based on qualifications. They're based on popularity. If elections were based on qualifications then people like Trump wouldn't be able to run.

But it's accurate. Kavanaugh is the one wanting a job promotion, his "bosses" have suggested this issue is important to them, so it is on him to prove his position. Just like any other job interview ever.

You're not looking at this correctly. You are looking at it through a jury trial lens. This is not a jury trial, it is a job interview.

Also, I can't help but notice how you sidestepped the fact you were supporting someone who was quite literally shilling spin.

No, its not about a job interview. A person that is highly qualified but has a criminal record can still be hired because of his/her qualifications.
 
Ford and Ramirez are not seeking confirmation to the highest court in the land. Kavanaugh is. So, yes, the onus is on Kavanaugh to credibly refute the allegations.

They are being used by their perspective political handlers.

This is not a criminal process, this is a political one.

Please point me to the right of an individual to have a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. There is no such right, you made it up.

Kavanaugh could end all of it tomorrow. He could remove himself from the process and then he wouldn't have to explain anything to anyone. But as long as he is seeking political power (which, let's face it, that's what it is), then he has to be able to satisfactorily answer the allegations.

The lies and the persecution complex never ends with some.
Actually he is answering the allegations, so nice try implying he isn't. But it sure looks like Ford is having a hard time putting her big girl pants on and showing up.
 
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Multiple is 3 or more.
Um...no.

Definition of multiple (Entry 1 of 2)


1 : consisting of, including, or involving more than one
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiple

adjective
  • having or involving more than one part, individual, etche had multiple injuries
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/multiple

I believe you are thinking of "a few". You need to work on your Google-fu. :)

And I'll believe Avenatti when he reveals the person and makes their case.
Fair enough. But Avenatti has almost always delivered on his word before. So...

Until such time as they prove their claims why should we believe them?
As I said in the other thread, you don't have to believe them...but you are DISBELIEVING them. That's different. You have zero evidence to disbelieve them so tell me how it is simple decency to disbelieve potential victims of sexual assault because you like the accused's politics?

That he wants the job is immaterial.
No, it's not. It's everything in this case because it is the context in this case. If Kavanaugh wasn't vying for a SC Justice seat, the Senate wouldn't give a rat's ass either way.

This is his job interview. The fact he wants the job is 100% the point.

This is about allegations.
It's about whether he should be allowed to sit on the Supreme Court. That's ALL this is about.

If someone gets accused of the same thing while not being nominated for SCOTUS would you be saying the same thing?
It depends on the context. If the accuser went to the police, then absolutely not. Then it becomes a legal matter where a crime is being investigated and the accused should be afforded all the rights our legal process provides them.

But if someone is wanting to become the Northeast Regional Manager of Sales, then yes, I'd say the same thing.

If Kavanaugh already had the job would you be saying the same thing?
It would depend entirely on the context in which the issue was raised. If Kavanaugh was already seated and the accusations came, but no legal charges were imminent, then it would simply be his word vs. hers and people could think whatever they want. It wouldn't matter at that point.

But it matters now because Kavanaugh ISN'T seated and is currently being evaluated by his "bosses" for a promotion. So that is why it is Kavanaugh's responsibility to credibly deny the allegations to the satisfaction of his "bosses".

This isn't hard to understand.

Him being nominated is nothing more than an excuse to demand that he prove his innocence and until he does he's guilty as charged.
No...his nomination is the reason why he is undergoing intense scrutiny, which is why things like this have arisen, despite the Republicans best efforts to hide so much of Kavanaugh's life from the public.

You keep using the word "guilty". You need to stop that. Guilt is a legal term, applied in a legal setting. This is not a legal setting. Furthermore, Kavanaugh isn't "guilty as charged", even if you're using the phrase colloquially. It's not that Kavanaugh is "guilty as charged" but rather that it is the responsibility of Kavanaugh to satisfy those who hold the power of his promotion.

This is not a legal setting. You have to stop thinking of it as that. This is a job interview, a totally political process. "Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply. The "rights of the accused" doesn't exist. For the purpose of this nomination, these allegations bear little real difference between a company man seeking a promotion from a big boss, while the company man's manager said he has some incidences of not getting along with others. It is essentially the same thing, in this context.

No. I will never accept such a standard.
What you "accept" doesn't matter. If I don't accept the sun is the center of our solar system, it doesn't make me any less wrong.
 
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Its a ridiculous standard fit for the medieval ages. Not today's society.
It's a standard that plays out every day all across the world. It plays out in every election. For example, in Missouri, Josh Hawley is accusing Claire McCaskill of being out of touch with Missourians. Do you give McCaskill the benefit of the doubt, disbelieve Hawley and automatically vote for Claire? Or do you require McCaskill to prove to you she is exactly what Missourians need before you will vote for her?

It's the same thing Kal. It's the exact same thing.

Elections are far different than proving your qualifications.
True, elections usually aren't nearly as rigged as this nomination and confirmation process has been.

Elections are not based on qualifications.
Of course they are. The qualifications just happen to be whatever those who vote think they are. And it is the responsibility of the candidates to prove themselves capable for the job, in the manner desired by the voters. Just like Kavanaugh.

They're based on popularity.
If that were true, Clinton would be President right now. ;)

I understand your overall point, but the popularity of a candidate is determined by how that candidate fulfills the interview with the "bosses", which are the voters. It's the same thing.

No, its not about a job interview.
Yes it is. That's all it is. It's a job interview. The interviewee has to convince at least 51 voters in the Senate that he is the right person for the job. And if the sex assault allegation leads some of those voters to question whether he's the right person for the job, then it is Kavanaugh's responsibility to convince them.

A person that is highly qualified but has a criminal record can still be hired because of his/her qualifications.
And can also be turned down if they fail the interview. And if, during the interview, the boss asks "I've heard you've had trouble getting along with others, what's the story on that", then the interviewee has to satisfy the boss's concern. Just like Kavanaugh.

That's why the onus is on Kavanaugh. If Kavanaugh were to resign from the nomination, then he wouldn't have to prove anything to anyone. But he's not doing that, so it's his responsibility to convince Senators he is the right person for the job.

They are being used by their perspective political handlers.

Actually he is answering the allegations, so nice try implying he isn't. But it sure looks like Ford is having a hard time putting her big girl pants on and showing up.
When I feel you demonstrate you can respond to something I say with a post that isn't riddled with falsehoods and partisan talking points, I'll consider replying seriously. Otherwise, have a good day, American.
 
Multiple is 3 or more. And I'll believe Avenatti when he reveals the person and makes their case. Until then I'll just deal with the 2 we have.
We now have three NAMED (not anonymous) alleged victims, the last of which (represented by Avenatti) has a sworn statement which is quite damning of Kavanaugh. Meanwhile, Ford has produced four sworn statements signed by those who say Ford told them before Kavanaugh's nomination about the attack. Kavanaugh's old roommate has come out and said the allegations fit his pattern of behavior from when he knew him.

Ready to stop believing Kavanaugh and stop disbelieving the accusers? Ready to stand beside me and call for a real investigation yet?
 
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