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Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC

Ahlevah said:
Doesn't matter what your point of view is. These monuments should be respected, just as the WWII Allies respect German war memorials. I don't see Jews running all over Europe destroying German memorials. If anyone would have cause to object to them, I would think it would be Jews. They just know the difference between objecting to Nazism and idiocy.

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If the German memorials were set up in Israel they might suffer some damage.
 
Nickyjo said:
If the German memorials were set up in Israel they might suffer some damage.
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The photo is from Normandy--in France... which was occupied by the Nazis... which resulted in more than half-a-million dead French citizens. And yet the French respect the memorials. :shrug:
 
Acadia said:
I hope the idiots who committed this crime are arrested and prosecuted, fully.
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Obviously there are no actual real police in that lawless city where anarchy rules the day.
 
Only thing I can think of when reading this thread is: "Do as I say, not as I do".
 
Ahlevah said:
The photo is from Normandy--in France... which was occupied by the Nazis... which resulted in more than half-a-million dead French citizens. And yet the French respect the memorials. :shrug:
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Good for them. But can’t you grasp how some people might be upset at monuments to a violent effort to preserve slavery in parts of the country where thousands were subject to slavery-like conditions after the war, many hundreds lynched, denied the vote and forced to live in segregation for a hundred years after the South’s defeat?

Germans stopped oppressing the French and Jews after the 1940s. Southerners were just getting started in the 1870s and hadn’t stopped when that statue was put up.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Boy, it sure does take a long time to bring the country down.
I guess they should have hired Osama Bin Laden when they had the chance. :shrug:
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What a douchbag (yet revealing) comment that is.
 
Nickyjo said:
Good for them. But can’t you grasp how some people might be upset at monuments to a violent effort to preserve slavery in parts of the country where thousands were subject to slavery-like conditions after the war, many hundreds lynched, denied the vote and forced to live in segregation for a hundred years after the South’s defeat?

Germans stopped oppressing the French and Jews after the 1940s. Southerners were just getting started in the 1870s and hadn’t stopped when that statue was put up.
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Is that what they were doing? Oppressing?
 
Beaudreaux said:
You got to be kidding? Watch the video and tell me again that this was not a violent criminal activity.

Again, watch the video. They were chanting threats, and there was a young man at the end that was being threatened on the video. Jesus - you seriously have to be kidding?

The statue doesn't immortalize racism. The school doesn't have control over the statue.

Seriously, read the OP articles, watch the freaking video, and try to educate yourself on the thread topic before posting such ignorant posts.
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Don't worry about it, for all of the bleating and whining you hear from posters like him.

This is just more of the left, trying to remove more of the it's own hate filled history, democratic connotations and all. Though the fact that they decided to tear it down, even though what the statue stood for was far and away not what they envisioned it to be.

He's just one of those posters who applauds hate and violence, so long as it is only applied to the target of his own bias. The video could have a black republican get curb-stomped by an Antifa member and he would willingly send the criminal a thank you letter if he could.
 
Beaudreaux said:
...Hateful people destroying things that they say cause and signify hate - anyone else see the irony here?
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One'd have to be pretty dense not to see a measure of irony, but one'd have to effing obtuse to think existential irony obviates the fulsomeness of the statue's symbology.
 
joko104 said:
Obviously there are no actual real police in that lawless city where anarchy rules the day.
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I'm betting there will be zero arrests. Meanwhile, blood flows in the streets of Chicago.
 
Ahlevah said:
That stature was created by noted Canadian sculptor John A. Wilson in 1913. He can't make another one any more than Michelangelo can create another David because he's, um, dead. :violin:
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They can't pay anyone else to make a new statue?
 
holbritter said:
What a douchbag (yet revealing) comment that is.
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Revealing to the hypocrisy of the extreme right who are essentially American equivalents of Al Qaeda via their stated theocratic policies and the fact that they want to see all opposing leftist viewpoints locked up and destroyed?
Oh right, Al Qaeda doesn't exist anymore b/c the GEOTUS told you they don't.
 
Nickyjo said:
Depending on your point of view, the statue may either honor brave students and others who fought in the “Lost Cause” or the same folk who committed treason and actually fought to preserve a system where some people could buy and sell others. At least the mob didnt hang the statue by its neck from a tree. I say let the statue stay, but surround it with memorials to the 101 people (86 black) lynched by mob action in NC from the end of the war through 1968. Each year have a public discussion on the site of the various actors’ then and now and their motivations.
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That's a good point, the South during the civil war would be considered terrorists today.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I don't understand why people get so TRIGGERED over dumb statues. Were you born near the statue or something???
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Anarchists aren't bastions of common sense.
 
Beaudreaux said:
You support terroristic actions and destruction of public and private property, as well as the destruction of historical monuments that depict our past - the ugly truth but still our past?

BTW, I don't know WTF you think the flaccid word "TRIGGERED" has to do with my reacting to violent criminal activity. Why do you support violent criminal activity and obviously feel it should be applauded and lauded rather than called out for what it is?
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This wasn't a "terroristic action". It was vandalism, for sure. If the school wishes to expel those involved and/or press charges, it's their right to do so. But this was no act of terrorism.
 
Ahlevah said:
That stature was created by noted Canadian sculptor John A. Wilson in 1913. He can't make another one any more than Michelangelo can create another David because he's, um, dead. :violin:
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Maybe they can have the woman who restored the Jesus painting in Spain to work on rebuilding the statue too:

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PleasantValley said:
Or how about letting a mob publicly horse whip a "white wench" of whom objected to the statue being torn down to even the score?
Shall we have a POLL to see how many would approve of this too?
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It's not happened, so why the red herring? No one got hurt when the statue at UNC came down.

That white racist slept with a shotgun because he needed to. I hope the bastid met justice one day.
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The point is the white racist dedicated the monument to white supremacy. That's the history of this 'beloved' monument. Of course the audience was all white because NC was a Jim Crow state and blacks couldn't attend UNC until my lifetime - the early 1960s. That white supremacy that prevailed in NC until the courts ordered them otherwise is tied directly to that monument.

These current white racists also hate white people and feel just as justified as that bastid did.
Don't think for one second they have "love of country" at heart.
They just want to cause a second civil war and hate the United States.

These same people that tear down statues also burn American flags.
They hate this country and want to see it torn apart and are doing their best to see it happen.
Trump hate is just a wave they are riding on. In four or eight years they will find some other wave to ride.
Bringing down the United States is their main goal.
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Yeah, whatever. You're avoiding discussing the OP because it's hard to defend the statue and its history. I get it. So you divert to attacking liberals. Compelling!!!
 
Beaudreaux said:
This will be a major topic of discussion in the state capital tomorrow.
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What they ought to discuss is repealing stupid laws that take these decisions out of the hands of the communities in which these statues reside. If the local community wants them left up, fine. If not, that should also be fine.
 
Beaudreaux said:
How do you "non-violently" destroy property that isn't yours?

A protest does not include violence or destruction - a riot does.

I posted the Wiki article in the OP, BTW.

Why do you support violence and property destruction and terroristic tactics and are now also defending those as if they are protected by the First Amendment?
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Terroristic? I think you're confusing vandalism with that the white supremacist who dedicated the statue did to the black woman for 'insulting' a white woman, and which was a way of life in the South through the 1960s and the CRA.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Opinions of why a certain thing exists do not define how everyone must also. We cannot define what we are today by what happened 105 years ago, or 150 years ago.
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That's true. I'm sure you don't look at the monument and see a celebration of white supremacy. But what you're not acknowledging is that IS the real history of that monument (and if you have any doubt, read the dedication speech), and that it's in fact rational for others to view that monument in that light, because it's an accurate light.

It's also relevant that from its erection in 1913 until the 1960s, it was not only a monument to white supremacy, but sat on a campus that enforced white supremacy by denying admissions to black students, black faculty.

We must not fall prey to the idiocy of believing that we must destroy our past to save our future.
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What "past" is celebrated by this monument, and how is destroying the monument destroying that past?
 
Beaudreaux said:
Exactly. These same type idiots were doing the same crap when Obama was President, and will be continuing to do so long after Trump leaves the White House.
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Tearing down monuments to white supremacy = bringing down the United States? Sheesh.... :roll:
 
Ahlevah said:
Doesn't matter what your point of view is. These monuments should be respected, just as the WWII Allies respect German war memorials. I don't see Jews running all over Europe destroying German memorials. If anyone would have cause to object to them, I would think it would be Jews. They just know the difference between objecting to Nazism and idiocy.
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Any of those memorials dedicated by former Nazis who told stories of the pleasing nature of horse whipping Jews in the streets?

Also, let me know how many memorials to the Nazis you've seen in Germany, to famous Nazi leaders?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
That's a good point, the South during the civil war would be considered terrorists today.
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Not just during the Civil War. The South "terrorized" blacks for the next nearly 100 years, sanctioned by the state. The horse whipping story in the dedication of the statue is terrorism, plain and simple. Blacks had won their freedom at that point, but if a black woman insulted a white woman, a whipping is what they could expect from whites in power.
 
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