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Fresh out of Baltimore police academy and on the attack

Mr Person

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Guy (1) yells briefly at a cop, (2) pushes a cop's hand away one time. He does not attack the cop. He does not "appear to be reaching for his waistband" etc.

Cop beats him for quite a while, punch after punch after punch after punch. He breaks his jaw, some ribs, and his nose. At one point, his partner finally gets around to sort of trying to stop his lunatic partner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-not-fighting-back/?utm_term=.08d166dca842

(Note: this officer previously arrested the same person for disorderly conduct. Going to have to see if there was a video of that).

I can't say enough good things about video cams when they're actually turned on.






Allright let's hear the people who defend unnecessarily violent behavior (and that's whether it's explicit or by way of speaking only about what the victim did or by want of launching an idiotic rant about supposed "cop haters" or any other intellectually dishonest and indirect means).
 
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Mr Person said:
Guy (1) yells briefly at a cop, (2) pushes a cop's hand away one time. He does not attack the cop. He does not "appear to be reaching for his waistband" etc.

Cop beats him for quite a while, punch after punch after punch after punch. He breaks his jaw, some ribs, and his nose. At one point, his partner finally gets around to sort of trying to stop his lunatic partner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-not-fighting-back/?utm_term=.08d166dca842

(Note: this officer previously arrested the same person for disorderly conduct. Going to have to see if there was a video of that).

I can't say enough good things about video cams when they're actually turned on.






Allright let's hear the people who defend unnecessarily violent behavior (and that's whether it's explicit or by way of speaking only about what the victim did or by want of launching an idiotic rant about supposed "cop haters" or any other intellectually dishonest and indirect means).
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Can't see video due to pay wall.....

Completely agree on body cams, they should be mandatory.
 
Nap said:
Can't see video due to pay wall.....

Completely agree on body cams, they should be mandatory.
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Clear cookies & cache, reload browser. No paywall problem.
 
If the guy had behaved himself this wouldn't have happened.The cop was right.
 
gulfman said:
If the guy had behaved himself this wouldn't have happened.The cop was right.
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No, I watched the video, this wasn’t a fight, then wasn’t a man who assaulted a cop, this officer struck the subject in the head multiple times, he had a back up officer, they could’ve cuffed him and made an arrest if that was necessary without that level of force. Being a jerk doesn’t mean the cops get to rough someone up. If they needed to arrest him they needed to arrest him, but head strikes on a subject not physically resisting prior are not ok
 
I caught this video on ABC News this PM. Clear use of excessive force by newbie, and soon to be former, cop.
 
The next time a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks to see my drivers license I'm going to get mouthy with him and slap his hand away.Do you think he will let me off with just a warning?
 
Mr Person said:
Guy (1) yells briefly at a cop, (2) pushes a cop's hand away one time. He does not attack the cop. He does not "appear to be reaching for his waistband" etc.

Cop beats him for quite a while, punch after punch after punch after punch. He breaks his jaw, some ribs, and his nose. At one point, his partner finally gets around to sort of trying to stop his lunatic partner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...was-not-fighting-back/?utm_term=.08d166dca842

(Note: this officer previously arrested the same person for disorderly conduct. Going to have to see if there was a video of that).

I can't say enough good things about video cams when they're actually turned on.






Allright let's hear the people who defend unnecessarily violent behavior (and that's whether it's explicit or by way of speaking only about what the victim did or by want of launching an idiotic rant about supposed "cop haters" or any other intellectually dishonest and indirect means).
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He does not attack the cop? I thought you were an attorney? You said he pushed the cops hand away? That's assault on a police officer, and enough for the cop to take the guy into custody. That said... If the cop did what you state, and I don't doubt you at all I just haven't read the linked article, then the cop went way over the line, unless the person resisted violently and based on your description he still probably went over the line.

I don't think that it should be acceptable or expected that a cop should have to be treated like trash by anyone. I don't know how to change the current level of angst against police by certain populations, but there has to be a change at some point. Police departments all over the country are doing outreach programs and training of their force to try to stem the tide of misunderstanding and hatred, as are many community leaders as well.
 
gulfman said:
The next time a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks to see my drivers license I'm going to get mouthy with him and slap his hand away.Do you think he will let me off with just a warning?
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Cops handle mouthy and even unruly citizens every day without kicking their ass. This guy shouldn’t be a cop.
 


Film the police.
 
Mr Person said:
Make a comment without deliberately getting personal in your first remark if you want me to read.
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I was picking. No disrespect intended. I wouldn’t do that to you. I know that humor is not evident in text but that’s what it was intended to be. I wouldn’t even get personal downstairs much less up.
 
Sure does look like excessive force.
 
One thing about the current debate regarding police and the people they serve I have never understood. The Freddie Gray (sp?) incident in Baltimore, MD., came on the heels of the Brown/Ferguson shooting. I understand in the “old days” it was common practice to “bounce” a suspect around on the way to the station. There was a palpable unease that the Ferguson incident accelerated. Why on earth Freddie Gray wasn’t wrapped in bubble wrap on his way to the station house, escapes me.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I was picking. No disrespect intended. I wouldn’t do that to you. I know that humor is not evident in text but that’s what it was intended to be. I wouldn’t even get personal downstairs much less up.
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If it's not personal, then I don't see what the point of invoking something I said elsewhere about myself in questioning what I said regarding a legal issue was:

Beaudreaux said:
He does not attack the cop? I thought you were an attorney? You said he pushed the cops hand away? That's assault on a police officer, and enough for the cop to take the guy into custody.
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But ok.....I guess...




(Note: I didn't say he "pushed the cops away". In one of the articles, he pushed one cops hand away once. I mentioned that. By no means would I call that an "attack" regardless of whether it might technically be just over the line enough to make something an assault).
 
gulfman said:
The next time a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks to see my drivers license I'm going to get mouthy with him and slap his hand away.Do you think he will let me off with just a warning?
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I have to stare amazed at the screen when someone who is supposedly concerned about government agent abuse of power waves off a brutal bone-breaking assault based on what a thug might do to someone who insulted him.

Pushing a hand once is not justification to break someone's jaw, break their ribs, and break their nose. Not for a cop, not for anyone.





I mean....you do realize that you will go to jail if you do that to someone because they pushed your hand, right?

You get that?

So why on Earth should someone charged with upholding the law be held to such a far lower standard? They put themselves in danger so they should be able to do whatever they want if they get pissed?
 
Mr Person said:
If it's not personal, then I don't see what the point of invoking something I said elsewhere about myself in questioning what I said regarding a legal issue was:



But ok.....I guess...




(Note: I didn't say he "pushed the cops away". In one of the articles, he pushed one cops hand away once. I mentioned that. By no means would I call that an "attack" regardless of whether it might technically be just over the line enough to make something an assault).
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I apologize for the angst. I didn't mean to offend.
 
gulfman said:
The next time a cop pulls me over for speeding and asks to see my drivers license I'm going to get mouthy with him and slap his hand away.Do you think he will let me off with just a warning?
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No.. but it should. that's the point.

Lets reverse it.

A cop gets mouthy with me and slaps my hand. Am I allowed to then beat him within an inch of his life?

Why or why not?
 
Beaudreaux said:
He does not attack the cop? I thought you were an attorney? You said he pushed the cops hand away? That's assault on a police officer, and enough for the cop to take the guy into custody. That said... If the cop did what you state, and I don't doubt you at all I just haven't read the linked article, then the cop went way over the line, unless the person resisted violently and based on your description he still probably went over the line.

I don't think that it should be acceptable or expected that a cop should have to be treated like trash by anyone. I don't know how to change the current level of angst against police by certain populations, but there has to be a change at some point. Police departments all over the country are doing outreach programs and training of their force to try to stem the tide of misunderstanding and hatred, as are many community leaders as well.
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If someone pushes my hand away it isn't assault. Nor should it be an assault on a cop. Unless the cop had a reason to grab the guy to begin with he had no purpose grabbing at the guy.

Yelling at a cop is protected by the 1st amendment and there is nothing they can do about it.
 
Is it still due to racism? Because of course it would be if this were a white cop.
 
ludin said:
If someone pushes my hand away it isn't assault. Nor should it be an assault on a cop. Uless the cop had a reason to grab the guy to begin with he had no purpose grabbing at the guy.

Yelling at a cop is protected by the 1st amendment and there is nothing they can do about it.
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You can yell at a cop all you want, but if you touch them or spit on them or bump them or push them, including pushing their hand away, that's assault.

Read the definition of assault. I'm not saying it was battery, but it was damned sure assault. No one has the right to assault another person. And in NC, there is a law called communicating threats, that can get you arrested as well so you need to be careful what you say when yelling at that cop.

The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but generally falls into one of these categories:

1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Intent to cause physical injury is not required, and physical injury does not need to result. So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.
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NCGS § 14-277.1. Communicating threats.

(a) A person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor if without lawful authority:

(1) He willfully threatens to physically injure the person or that person's child, sibling, spouse, or dependent or willfully threatens to damage the property of another;

(2) The threat is communicated to the other person, orally, in writing, or by any other means;

(3) The threat is made in a manner and under circumstances which would cause a reasonable person to believe that the threat is likely to be carried out; and

(4) The person threatened believes that the threat will be carried out.

(b) A violation of this section is a Class 1 misdemeanor. (1973, c. 1286, s. 11; 1993, c. 539, s. 172; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1999-262, s. 2.)
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gulfman said:
If the guy had behaved himself this wouldn't have happened.The cop was right.
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No he was not, there is no indication the man did anything wrong. They asked the man (according to what I read) for identification. They recently arrested him, brought him in, fingerprinted him, etc. etc. etc. Asking this man for identification is like asking the pope if he is catholic. They knew his identity, this was just badgering the man and looking for a reason to hurt him. There is no justification or reason for such an overreaction from that officer and thank goodness he no longer works as a cop there. Cops like that are the reason people kneel at NFL games.
 
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