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Cops tase 11 year old

Barnacle said:
Oh pleeaaase, cry me a river. She stole snacks and loaded them into her backpack, while she was surrounded by her friends and a sibling.

Yeah, right, next thing you're gonna try to convince us that that bunch of Americans was starving in the US of A. :lamo
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Greetings, Barnacle. :2wave:

You must have access to information that the rest of us don't have since you know what food she stole, which you indicate are "snacks." All I am saying is that in too many places in this country, schools have been sending food home in backpacks so children will have something to eat over the weekend - they apparently keep them fed during the week. A new school year will be starting soon.....

I agree with Hawkeye10 when he argues that we used to do better as a country than what we're reading about now - in so many ways! Sad.......
 
Mr Person said:
"Police said body cameras were not turned on during this incident."

Or recordings were erased...




I wonder who is going to be the first to claim that 11 year olds can be dangerous, that the cop was probably scared, that the kid deserved it because he wasn't obeying commands, yadda yadda.
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Probably some silver-tongued prosecutor, skilled in the art of sophistry and deception....
 
Cincinnati police officer on 'restricted duty' after allegedly tasing 11-year-old girl

“We are extremely concerned when force is used by one of our officers on a child of this age,” Cincinnati police chief Eliot Isaac said in the statement. He added the department will undertake a “very thorough review” of its use of force policies on juveniles in the wake of the incident. According to the Cincinnati Police Department’s use of force policy, “the TASER is designed for self-defense or to temporarily immobilize a subject who is actively resisting arrest.”
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More than 1000 people in the US have died since 2000 from being tasered.

In addition, it can be very dicey if the taser barbs enter the spinal column. That usually requires a trip to the ER and sometimes a surgeon's expertise to remove the barbs.
 
Beaudreaux said:
If you look at what I wrote, I didn't defend the police action, I discussed the young girl's actions. I also discussed potential mitigating circumstances that we as a society should be concerned about with regard to this young girl.

Nothing automatic about it, nor is it a defense of the officers. There are two distinct actions in this story - the young girl that stole and then ran from the police, and the police actions. I focused on the former, not the latter.

As for the latter, I don't support tasing a young child. I can understand why they did so, but I don't agree with it nor do I support it. That said, everything I said in my previous post still stands. The young lady made the choices that led to this result, not the police.

People make choices every day. Some folks think that others should be blamed for the choices they make, rather than taking responsibility for their own actions. As an attorney, I would think that you of all people here would have the intellect to have seen the actual focus of my post without deflecting as if I was defending the tasing, but unless I completely misread your post, I was wrong about that.
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When you say she had it coming and no more, that functions as a defense of the officer. And what you posted boiled down to she had it coming. (That's especially true where nobody said she didn't do anything wrong). You end up repeating it here, talking about the "choices" she made.

The choices she made were wrong and she should be punished. But she's also an 11 year old and she was tazed by the police which is absolutely ridiculous.



If an officer is too unfit or scared or whatever to deal with a little child running away, that person should either be behind desk or not an officer at all.
 
Mr Person said:
When you say she had it coming and no more, that functions as a defense of the officer. And what you posted boiled down to she had it coming. You end up repeating it here, talking about the "choices" she made.

The choices she made were wrong and she should be punished. But she's also an 11 year old and she was tazed by the police which is absolutely ridiculous.
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I said she made the choices that led to the event. I never said she "had it coming."
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Rogue Valley. :2wave:

WHY would an 11-year old girl steal FOOD? Doesn't this bother people? It would be different if she stole some clothing from a department store, but FOOD? I could cry that she was tasered - :thumbdown:
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Hi polgara :2wave:

There are different reasons for stealing food (such as a dare, barter, etc), but the most common reason is hunger itself.

Hunger doesn't justify the theft, but it does make it more understandable. Maybe there is no breadwinner at home?
 
Beaudreaux said:
I said she made the choices that led to the event. I never said she "had it coming."
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Oh FFS. I never said you said she "had it coming" in quotes. I said that your post "boiled down to" it. And I'm not the only one who read your comments in the same valid way. See the last page of this thread.



I'm honestly having a hard time believing you don't understand how it is that when you pop into a thread about cops tasering an 11 year old, a thread in which nobody is claiming the kid did nothing wrong, and you choose to say things boiling down to saying she had it coming

Reread what you wrote to yourself:

"This is an other perfect example of what my sig says. She made the choices to shoplift and to run from the police, and she has to live with the consequences of those choices. Hopefully, she will make different choices in the future as she grows up.

Don't want to get tased? Don't run from the cops. Don't want to be put in a situation where you feel you may get arrested, convicted, and go to jail? Don't break the law. It's that simple. "



Gee, let's see. Focus on her "choices to shoplift", to run, and saying she has to "live with those consequences."

Say "Don't want to get tased? Don't run from the cops."


But that doesn't boil down to saying she had it coming? I'm unfairly characterizing what you said? Please.Of all people, I wouldn't expect such stupidly dishonest game-playing from you. Yes, she had it coming is exactly what your post boiled down to.
 
Gaius46 said:
A couple of points. The article says she resisted (whatever that means) and fled so presumably she was tased while fleeing and not representing any kind of danger to any one. So the use of the taser should be questioned on those grounds alone completely forgetting that she's only a kid.

You can go back to the root cause being the girl's decision to steal but that doesn't clear the cop who made a concious decision to employ a potentially lethal device against a child who didn't represent a danger to the cop. Just because someone decides to break the law it does not give LE carte blanche do treat them in any manner they desire.
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Beaudreaux said:
Good points, but a taser is legal to use to subdue a fleeing suspect, which is why I said I can understand why the cops did this. Tasing a kid is still not a cool thing to do. Nowhere in any of my posts will you find me excusing the use of a taser on a child. However, nowhere in my posts will you find me excusing what the young lady did, either, which some can say to be doing by omitting her actions from the dialogue in this thread.
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He read your post exactly the same way I did. He just didn't respond as forcefully.

:shrug:
 
btw, I've always liked the white caps of the Cincinnati PD.

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Chaddelamancha said:
Simply not true. You cannot pigeon-hole every single scenario with a blanket statement.

In this case; however, it would appear than an off-duty cop tasered the child in the back as she attempted to flee. This is completely unacceptable and should lead to a dismissal, if not charges.
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We're not talking about a kid with a gun pointed at a cop. We're talking about an 11 year old girl, and I do not think an officer who is physically incapable of controlling a kid that age should be on the street, whether it's age, weight, or whatever cause.

(Of course, if it was just laziness and the cop didn't want to run, that's even worse)
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Rogue Valley. :2wave:

WHY would an 11-year old girl steal FOOD? Doesn't this bother people? It would be different if she stole some clothing from a department store, but FOOD? I could cry that she was tasered - :thumbdown:
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Easy there Aladdin!

 
Mr Person said:
We're not talking about a kid with a gun pointed at a cop. We're talking about an 11 year old girl, and I do not think an officer who is physically incapable of controlling a kid that age should be on the street, whether it's age, weight, or whatever cause.

(Of course, if it was just laziness and the cop didn't want to run, that's even worse)
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That's why I find this situation unacceptable.

That doesn't mean that I can't imagine a scenario in which a cop will have to taser an 11-year-old girl.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Barnacle. :2wave:

You must have access to information that the rest of us don't have since you know what food she stole, which you indicate are "snacks." All I am saying is that in too many places in this country, schools have been sending food home in backpacks so children will have something to eat over the weekend - they apparently keep them fed during the week. A new school year will be starting soon.....

I agree with Hawkeye10 when he argues that we used to do better as a country than what we're reading about now - in so many ways! Sad.......
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Yes; I have access to special information ... my access code is: google

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...eploy-taser-11-year-old-shoplifter/929492002/
 
Mr Person said:
"Police said body cameras were not turned on during this incident."

Or recordings were erased...
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or it was poor reporting

The girl, who is African-American, was suspected of shoplifting food, Councilman Jeff Pastor said on Wednesday. The officer, who is also black, was off duty and working a security detail for the Kroger grocery store where the incident happened, Mr. Pastor said.
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but hey lets jump to the tin foil conspiracies first :shrug:
 
Crovax said:
Mr Person said:
"Police said body cameras were not turned on during this incident."

Or recordings were erased...
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or it was poor reporting


Mr Person said:
I wonder who is going to be the first to claim that 11 year olds can be dangerous, that the cop was probably scared, that the kid deserved it because he wasn't obeying commands, yadda yadda.
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but hey lets jump to the tin foil conspiracies first :shrug:
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Someone can't tell a tongue-in-cheek remark from serious argument.

The problem is that the police tazed a little girl, a potentially fatal move. And they did it because they either could not or were too lazy to run after her. Shouldn't someone ostensibly concerned about government abuse of power be concerned about government agents tazing little kids?
 
Mr Person said:
Someone can't tell a tongue-in-cheek remark from serious argument.

The problem is that the police tazed a little girl, a potentially fatal move. And they did it because they either could not or were too lazy to run after her. Shouldn't someone ostensibly concerned about government abuse of power be concerned about government agents tazing little girls?
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govt abuse of power by Kroger? thats a new one. Im obviously bad at this, are you still joking or trying to make a serious argument?
 
Anywho, since Crovax over there started talking about "tinfoil conspiracies", do people really believe that police never do something like "not turn on" bodycams when approaching certain situations? Never have curiously convenient "malfunctions"?

There are any number of cases where police have forgotten to do either and accidentally recorded themselves planting evidence on people, even with a dash cam. (Or they didn't notice a security camera that got it). There are any number of cases where police are recorded beating or shooting someone, which recording contradicts the initial public story.

Remember the one where the guy ran from his car, was shot dead in his back, and the cop was recorded by a bystander planting a gun nearby the body?

Probably not. Probably demand a link and jump thread if provided.





I honestly don't know what it is about certain political philosophies that seems to demand automatically defending cops. That's especially true if this 'philosophy' involves praising law and order, and distrusting the government's power. Shouldn't adherents be particularly concerned about misbehaving cops, seeing as the ones that misbehave are violating law & order, are abusing government power, are making a bad name for others?
 
Crovax said:
govt abuse of power by Kroger? thats a new one. Im obviously bad at this, are you still joking or trying to make a serious argument?
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Unless the cop that tazed the girl is named "Kroger", that's the dumbest attempt to seem witty I've ever seen here.
 
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