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The Law Shouldn't Have Authority In Schools Including Colleges

DebateChallenge said:
Lets say Im a student in college and I beat some other student up really badly and put him in the hospital in critical condition. I should not get in trouble with the law for that since as I said the law should not have jurisdiction in the college campus. Its up to the college to punish me so I would no doubt be expelled but that should be it. The law should have no right and no business to step in.
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Are you actually serious? You're talking about great bodily harm that lethal force is authorized and the only punishment you think you should get is being expelled? Just what on earth are you smoking?
 

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DebateChallenge said:
Lets say Im a student in college and I beat some other student up really badly and put him in the hospital in critical condition. I should not get in trouble with the law for that since as I said the law should not have jurisdiction in the college campus. Its up to the college to punish me so I would no doubt be expelled but that should be it. The law should have no right and no business to step in.
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I disagree. The "law" does apply. Assault is assault.

Wonder if you believe that the "law" should have no jurisdiction on private property. Lets say you go over to a persons house. Someone beats you up really bad to point you need medical care and are put in the hospital. Using your idea wouldn't the homeowner determine the punishment to the person that beat you up? The law should have no right on private property, right?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I think that the law should not have any jurisdiction to get involved with anything that happens on a school ground and this includes college campuses. Rather its the school's jurisdiction not the law's jurisdiction and its up to the school, not the law, to punish a student who breaks any rules. The law should have no business getting involved.
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The law should apply to everyone, everywhere. Violent students, or staff and faculty, should be arrested, prosecuted in court and sent to jail, not just suspended from school.
 
Waddy said:
The law should apply to everyone, everywhere. Violent students, or staff and faculty, should be arrested, prosecuted in court and sent to jail, not just suspended from school.
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So lets say Im in college. Some other guy is harassing me and I beat him up and put him in the hospital. I shouldn't go to jail since the law has no business getting involved since its for the college to resolve not the law. So the college could expel me but as I said the law has no business and no right to get involved.
 
DebateChallenge said:
So lets say Im in college. Some other guy is harassing me and I beat him up and put him in the hospital. I shouldn't go to jail since the law has no business getting involved since its for the college to resolve not the law. So the college could expel me but as I said the law has no business and no right to get involved.
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The law has a duty to get involved. You should have reported the guy harassing you, and if he crossed a legal line he should be arrested. You only have the right to defend yourself, not become the attacker. And the school should suspend both of you.
 
The premise of this thread couldn't happen until the divorce from reality is total and irrevocable...

It violates what may be the most basic idea of community, much less legal theory.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I think that the law should not have any jurisdiction to get involved with anything that happens on a school ground and this includes college campuses. Rather its the school's jurisdiction not the law's jurisdiction and its up to the school, not the law, to punish a student who breaks any rules. The law should have no business getting involved.
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You do understand that the constitution is the law right so it shouldn't have any jurisdiction on college campuses or grade schools the should be Constitution free zones
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lets say Im a student in college and I beat some other student up really badly and put him in the hospital in critical condition. I should not get in trouble with the law for that since as I said the law should not have jurisdiction in the college campus. Its up to the college to punish me so I would no doubt be expelled but that should be it. The law should have no right and no business to step in.
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So legally, how is a school's property outside of US jurisdiction?

If you have no legal premise for that, why cant the mall just say the same thing? Or Walmart? How about the state and city parks?

In a case like you described, the student harmed in the attack would also have civil redress to sue and be compensated for the attacker's actions...is the school now supposed to keep a staff of lawyers and judges in order to justly serve ALL students?
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lets say Im a student in college and I beat some other student up really badly and put him in the hospital in critical condition. I should not get in trouble with the law for that since as I said the law should not have jurisdiction in the college campus. Its up to the college to punish me so I would no doubt be expelled but that should be it. The law should have no right and no business to step in.
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Are you serious or is this a joke?

Why do you think people lose their constitutional right when they step foot onto a school campus?
 
roughdraft274 said:
Can't argue with that. I'm in. College should definitely be a 24/7 version of The Purge. I think expulsion is a completely fair penalty for rape and murder. But what if I murder a college student on a college campus but I'm just a visitor? Should they just kick me off the campus? But what if I have season tickets to the football games? I don't think I should lose those just cause I murdered 1 college kid. I mean, 5... maybe. But just 1?
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LMAO!!!!!


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Mason66 said:
Are you serious or is this a joke?

Why do you think people lose their constitutional right when they step foot onto a school campus?
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People don't lose their constitutional right when they step inside a school campus, they lose it when they choose to be a bully.
 
DebateChallenge said:
People don't lose their constitutional right when they step inside a school campus, they lose it when they choose to be a bully.
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You said the police should not have any power on a school campus, which means people lose their constitutional rights.

A woman gets raped, and you want the police to be left out of the case.

That wold violate her constitutional rights.
 
DebateChallenge said:
People don't lose their constitutional right when they step inside a school campus, they lose it when they choose to be a bully.
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Where's that in the Constitution?
 
Mason66 said:
You said the police should not have any power on a school campus, which means people lose their constitutional rights.

A woman gets raped, and you want the police to be left out of the case.

That wold violate her constitutional rights.
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You got a point there. But what Im saying is this, if Im in college and I beat up another dude after he started harassing me, I shouldn't get in trouble with the law for that. After all I beat up a dude not a woman and it was only after he instigated.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You got a point there. But what Im saying is this, if Im in college and I beat up another dude after he started harassing me, I shouldn't get in trouble with the law for that. After all I beat up a dude not a woman and it was only after he instigated.
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Why not? How is the situation different because it's on school property?

Also, were you the first to make it physical?
 
If I slug a bully in college I shouldn't get in trouble with the law for doing it.
 
Maccabee said:
Yes, you absolutely should get in trouble for it if you weren't in immediate danger.
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If he's bullying me at the time I shouldn't get in trouble for slugging him.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I think that the law should not have any jurisdiction to get involved with anything that happens on a school ground and this includes college campuses. Rather its the school's jurisdiction not the law's jurisdiction and its up to the school, not the law, to punish a student who breaks any rules. The law should have no business getting involved.
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The law applies everywhere, including schools and even inside your home. Get over it and live with it.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I talking about if they have touched me first.
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Then it is self defense and while you would not be in trouble with the law, however, in many schools you will be punished or expelled, ask me how I know.....
 
iliveonramen said:
This is crazy talk...so if someone commits murder on a campus their penalty is what...to be expelled?
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That is a severe punishment though... nothing could be worse for the student.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If he's bullying me at the time I shouldn't get in trouble for slugging him.
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I said in immefiate danger. If the bullying doesn't threaten your life or physical being, you shouldn't retaliate physically.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Lets say Im a student in college and I beat some other student up really badly and put him in the hospital in critical condition. I should not get in trouble with the law for that since as I said the law should not have jurisdiction in the college campus. Its up to the college to punish me so I would no doubt be expelled but that should be it. The law should have no right and no business to step in.
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Why just expelled? Seems you would deserve jail time. Then you must support schools having their own jail system. Oh, they would also need their own court system. You could face a civil suit for personal damages.
 
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