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Police officers should be required to be nice

ttwtt78640 said:
I have worked as a bartender before and, thankfully, enjoyed the help of our local M/C clubs in maintaining order. Calling the police is frowned upon by bar owners since LEO 'visits' are not good for business.
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You were shaken down by a drug gang. You act like the gang was doing you a favor.

"Thankfully, I enjoyed the help of MS13 in maintaining order."
 
GDViking said:
Yah I've had bikers back me up more than once, but I have had to remove them as well...
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That happened occasionally but with two M/C clubs present it either goes OK or gets really, really bad (once resulting in a severed head later found in the bar's dumpster).
 
ecofarm said:
You were shaken down by a drug gang. You act like the gang was doing you a favor.

"Thankfully, I enjoyed the help of MS13 in maintaining order."
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Nope, while I was there I experienced no shakedowns at all. How folks made the money that they spent in the bar was the least of my concerns.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, while I was there I experienced no shakedowns at all. How folks made the money that they spent in the bar was the least of my concerns.
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Yeah, sure. Let's review how this works. A drug gang causes problems. The drug gang offers "protection".

One sure way to know a business is in control of what happens is a head in the dumpster. But, hey, since the drug gang was old fat white guys... they were just helping.
 
Personally, I think it would be nice if stories of Police killing unarmed people wasn't somewhere in the news every week!

I think that would be nice enough!
 
ecofarm said:
Yeah, sure. Let's review how this works. A drug gang causes problems. The drug gang offers "protection".

One sure way to know a business is in control of what happens is a head in the dumpster. But, hey, since the drug gang was old fat white guys... they were just helping.
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It was more a case of the M/C clubs wanting a place to enjoy drinks, play some pool and relax - disturbances (involving police) would likely be blamed on their presence so they helped to maintain the peace. When no club 'business' was involved (99.9% of the time) there were no problems between the different M/C clubs in or near the 'biker' bar.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It was more a case of the M/C clubs wanting a place to enjoy drinks, play some pool and relax - disturbances (involving police) would likely be blamed on their presence so they helped to maintain the peace. When no club 'business' was involved (99.9% of the time) there were no problems between the different M/C clubs in or near the 'biker' bar.
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Might as well have been a bodega slinging crack and providing protection for ms13.
 
ecofarm said:
Might as well have been a bodega slinging crack and providing protection for ms13.
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Nope, that place was in the next county and had a heavy police presence.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Police officers should be required to be nice to people and if they aren't they should lose their job and perhaps be incarcerated as well.
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Police officers should be required to be professional, and ethical, period.
As professionals, if you're nice to them, they'll be nice in return.
If you're not, they'll continue to be professional.
That's what we pay them for.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Police officers should be required to be nice to people and if they aren't they should lose their job and perhaps be incarcerated as well.
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Put yourself in their shoes.
You can be nice but it's tough when you have a actor who resists,spits,punch,doesn't pull over,alcoholic breath,weed head and shoots at you almost 24/7.
Our police takes risks everyday but I think you already know. You can't take these culprits and sit them down and pull a " Leave it to Beaver " sit down and have a gee Wally talk.
I agree with your first part of your statement up to "nice to people".
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That happened occasionally but with two M/C clubs present it either goes OK or gets really, really bad (once resulting in a severed head later found in the bar's dumpster).
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We didn't get much business from local clubs, that was the bar around the corner. We were just off the freeway so we got a lot of travelers but if they were there, when I bull rushing someone out the door they would be right behind me.

One of my biggest points of pride is I was behind the bar for 11 years and never got hit, I was swung at, but never hit.

My life was threatened at least a couple times a month. I would tell them what time I get done a d where my truck was parked. No one ever showed.

If anyone lost their head there it was catfish bait.
 
Sure, until the other party escalates it.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Police officers should be required to be nice to people and if they aren't they should lose their job and perhaps be incarcerated as well.
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what sort of horse**** is this?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Far too general, vague or broad to be enforced as law. What level of niceness is required to stop an alleged perp from continuing to commit a crime in progress?

Excuse me sir, but it would be nice if you refrained from beating and stabbing the young woman like that... Oh sorry, my bad, I did not realize that you were in a hurry to eliminate a witness to a prior crime - carry on and we will arrest you shortly after you finish her off.
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It when I was a kid just talking back wouldn't get you beaten or killed.

And the professionalism they demonstrated back then actually kinda made you to respect them.

Now you're just forced to "respect" them.

Its not the same thing.

I've seen thing escalate when simple human decency would have avoided it
 
What if...? said:
It when I was a kid just talking back wouldn't get you beaten or killed.

And the professionalism they demonstrated back then actually kinda made you to respect them.

Now you're just forced to "respect" them.

Its not the same thing.

I've seen thing escalate when simple human decency would have avoided it
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Yep, and when I was a kid the schools did not need their own full-time, on-site police forces.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, and when I was a kid the schools did not need their own full-time, on-site police forces.
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And I think in some cases that might be part of the problem.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How so?
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In the school my children go to.. the police officers are seen by the kids as a nuisance, as harassing them, and a potential threat. When two six graders get in a fight over a basketball... (one of the six graders jumped on a kid from behind and drove him to the ground.. so the kid on the ground, he was a wrestler so he ended up on top and popped the kid that jumped him.)

The police officer waited until the teachers intervened and then took the kid that had defended himself.. into custody and had him a 6 grader charged with assault.

My sons know tiptoe around the police and take the position that its safer to never talk to the police.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Police officers should be required to be nice to people and if they aren't they should lose their job and perhaps be incarcerated as well.
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Police officers need to take control of every situation, and often that precludes being "nice". Nice can and does get them killed.
 
Is this what you mean?
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Waddy said:
Police officers need to take control of every situation, and often that precludes being "nice". Nice can and does get them killed.
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They should be nice when they're off duty and when they post on internet forums.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Police officers should be required to be nice to people and if they aren't they should lose their job and perhaps be incarcerated as well.
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And those that have to deal with a cop should fill out a survey used to determine the cops comptence and their pay should reflect what level they are deemed to be by the public.
 
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