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Gunman wounds 2, fatally shot by bystander at Walmart store

Generally speaking, it's considered prudent to provide at least a sentence or two of commentary on whatever you're soapboxing about, rather than just spamming links.
 
I copied some of the comments before the story disappears.

-This is what happens when people have carry permits and carry! Carry permits should be like drivers license, they should be valid in the entire US.
-I love a story with a happy ending. Prayers for the injured.

-saves taxpayer dollars as well as putting less one on the court docket.

-Great job by courageous bystander for being in the right place at the right time.

-Thank you bystander! Faster than the police.... hopefully the 16 yr old girl is will recover.

-Funny thing about WA state, its democratic but everyone is armed. Same with Vermont. There is common ground.

-Think what could have happened, if not for responsible gun ownership

-THANK YOU smart gun owner for proving that guns save lives. And thank you Yahoo (never thought I'd say THAT) for reporting it. Listen liberals...how bored would you be if the news reported EVERY household that owns a gun and doesn't commit crimes? Obviously they are saving lives. The news only reports the tragedies. Just like they only report the car ACCIDENTS not the safe commutes to work. Are YOU driving to work tomorrow? With your logic...you best be preparing to walk.
 
Kobie said:
Generally speaking, it's considered prudent to provide at least a sentence or two of commentary on whatever you're soapboxing about, rather than just spamming links.
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Thank you very much for your help, I corrected my post.
 
This is at least the third thread I've seen on this in which someone either explicitly or implicitly tries to give a "**** you" to anyone who said anything about gun control that wasn't dismissive.

Clue: nobody ever denied that guns can be used defensively. To the extent anyone criticized the "good guy with a gun" mantra, it's on bases like: (1) there are a lot more things that can wrong than can go right in a public shootout with bad guys, (2) there are statistics (and yes they include suicide) about gun ownership increasing likelihood of gun injury or fatality.

It is stupid and dishonest to put an instance where things went well on parade as if it's the only thing that happens or can happen, seeing as nobody claimed nobody ever stopped a bad guy with a gun. (And also seeing as only the tiniest fraction of people actually want to literally take ALL the guns).



So yeah, congrats to the good guy with a gun for not missing and hitting someone else, getting themselves shot by the bad guy, or being mistaken for the bad guy by police arriving on scene. But really....it's 3+ threads within minutes of this thing getting reported.

Know how many violent crimes happen per year in this country? Per FBI stats, around 1,400,000.







Enough of this silliness. It's not like the people start these threads start a thread for each of the thousands and thousands of deaths per year in which a bad guy with a gun kills someone.....
 
And all I hear is blah, blah, blah, blah from the same talking heads over and over again.

Good guy has a right, he used his right and he may have saved a life or more in the process. But of course let's look at what might have gone wrong...Well guess what, it didn't, it went well for all except the bad guy.
 
Mr Person said:
This is at least the third thread I've seen on this in which someone either explicitly or implicitly tries to give a "**** you" to anyone who said anything about gun control that wasn't dismissive.

Clue: nobody ever denied that guns can be used defensively. To the extent anyone criticized the "good guy with a gun" mantra, it's on bases like: (1) there are a lot more things that can wrong than can go right in a public shootout with bad guys, (2) there are statistics (and yes they include suicide) about gun ownership increasing likelihood of gun injury or fatality.

It is stupid and dishonest to put an instance where things went well on parade as if it's the only thing that happens or can happen, seeing as nobody claimed nobody ever stopped a bad guy with a gun. (And also seeing as only the tiniest fraction of people actually want to literally take ALL the guns).



So yeah, congrats to the good guy with a gun for not missing and hitting someone else, getting themselves shot by the bad guy, or being mistaken for the bad guy by police arriving on scene. But really....it's 3+ threads within minutes of this thing getting reported.

Know how many violent crimes happen per year in this country? Per FBI stats, around 1,400,000.







Enough of this silliness. It's not like the people start these threads start a thread for each of the thousands and thousands of deaths per year in which a bad guy with a gun kills someone.....
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Well first.. yes.. there have been multiple folks and threads that guns cannot be used defensively.

2. Duh.. of course owning a gun is more likely for you to get injured by a gun. Owning a bike also means you are more likely to be involved in a bike accident than if you don't own one... that's why gun accidents and gun fatalities are by and large invalid statistics.

Its stupid and dishonest to parade things where a deranged person went off the wall and violated multiple laws in order to murder innocent people as a reason for gun control.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well first.. yes.. there have been multiple folks and threads that guns cannot be used defensively.
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Who and where? I've never once seen the claim that there is no possible defensive use of a gun. I'm not taking it from you.



jaeger19 said:
2. Duh.. of course owning a gun is more likely for you to get injured by a gun. Owning a bike also means you are more likely to be involved in a bike accident than if you don't own one... that's why gun accidents and gun fatalities are by and large invalid statistics.
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I get that you're trying to be clever by chopping up a post and replying to pieces you think you have a witty retort to, but just...no

:doh






jaeger19 said:
Its stupid and dishonest to parade things where a deranged person went off the wall and violated multiple laws in order to murder innocent people as a reason for gun control.
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I'm sure that would be terribly interesting if it connected in some way to what I said about this and related threads.
 
Mr Person said:
This is at least the third thread I've seen on this in which someone either explicitly or implicitly tries to give a "**** you" to anyone who said anything about gun control that wasn't dismissive.

Clue: nobody ever denied that guns can be used defensively. To the extent anyone criticized the "good guy with a gun" mantra, it's on bases like: (1) there are a lot more things that can wrong than can go right in a public shootout with bad guys, (2) there are statistics (and yes they include suicide) about gun ownership increasing likelihood of gun injury or fatality.

It is stupid and dishonest to put an instance where things went well on parade as if it's the only thing that happens or can happen, seeing as nobody claimed nobody ever stopped a bad guy with a gun. (And also seeing as only the tiniest fraction of people actually want to literally take ALL the guns).



So yeah, congrats to the good guy with a gun for not missing and hitting someone else, getting themselves shot by the bad guy, or being mistaken for the bad guy by police arriving on scene. But really....it's 3+ threads within minutes of this thing getting reported.

Know how many violent crimes happen per year in this country? Per FBI stats, around 1,400,000.







Enough of this silliness. It's not like the people start these threads start a thread for each of the thousands and thousands of deaths per year in which a bad guy with a gun kills someone.....
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And you know that MOST of those 1.4 million violent crimes involve deadly weapons NOT of the firearm variety....

And just out of curiosity...how come 3 threads with the "good guy with a gun" scenario has your panties twisted, yet Ive never seen you say **** about the CONSTANT barrage of anti gun threads started here damn near every DAY?
 
VanceMack said:
And you know that MOST of those 1.4 million violent crimes involve deadly weapons NOT of the firearm variety....

And just out of curiosity...how come 3 threads with the "good guy with a gun" scenario has your panties twisted, yet Ive never seen you say **** about the CONSTANT barrage of anti gun threads started here damn near every DAY?
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Don't assume what I think.



I avoid the gun forums.

I've explained my stance at length many times over, but the main stance is that as long as the 2nd exists and as interpreted as it is (correctly, I think, though I don't like it), very little in the way of gun control that can actually accomplish something is possible.

But on the one hand, the pro-gun people seem insanely pro-gun to the point of ignoring/lying about/whatever all the downsides to having so many guns in a society.

On the other hand, the strong anti-gun people just don't see sense. Banning "assault weapons" (last time it was defined, the meaning was laughable horse****. Grenade launcher attachment OK, but a telescoping stock and a certain grip attachment NOT OK) is supposed to stop mass shootings or violence. What?

So, both sides who really care about the debate are generally off the deep end in my view, plus, the debate is moot with the 2nd around. So.....whatever





However, I will speak up if someone posts this silly horse **** outside of the gun forum and I happen to amble on by. The fact that strong anti-gun people are not making sense doesn't mean I'm going to tolerate stupid pro-gun propaganda.
 
Mr Person said:
Don't assume what I think.



I avoid the gun forums.

I've explained my stance at length many times over, but the main stance is that as long as the 2nd exists and as interpreted as it is (correctly, I think, though I don't like it), very little in the way of gun control that can actually accomplish something is possible.

But on the one hand, the pro-gun people seem insanely pro-gun to the point of ignoring/lying about/whatever all the downsides to having so many guns in a society.

On the other hand, the strong anti-gun people just don't see sense. Banning "assault weapons" (last time it was defined, the meaning was laughable horse****. Grenade launcher attachment OK, but a telescoping stock and a certain grip attachment NOT OK) is supposed to stop mass shootings or violence. What?

So, both sides who really care about the debate are generally off the deep end in my view, plus, the debate is moot with the 2nd around. So.....whatever





However, I will speak up if someone posts this silly horse **** outside of the gun forum and I happen to amble on by. The fact that strong anti-gun people are not making sense doesn't mean I'm going to tolerate stupid pro-gun propaganda.
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:lamo

So feisty.

I didnt assume what you think. I commented on your actual actions. Or rather in-actions. The good guy with a gun scenarios annoy you. The anti-gun **** doesnt get the time of day.

Yeah...thats not typical at all or nothin....
 
VanceMack said:
And you know that MOST of those 1.4 million violent crimes involve deadly weapons NOT of the firearm variety....

And just out of curiosity...how come 3 threads with the "good guy with a gun" scenario has your panties twisted, yet Ive never seen you say **** about the CONSTANT barrage of anti gun threads started here damn near every DAY?
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vs..

VanceMack said:
:lamo

So feisty.
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You open up with "panties twisted" and you complain about my post? I've omitted the rest of your post because it was similar to your first: pointlessly combative, dishonest, and BS. No need to try to keep it going.

:2wave:
 
Mr Person said:
vs..






You open up with "panties twisted" and you complain about my post?
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:lamo

Im not complaining about your post. I'm pointing out the FACT that you got your panties twisted over a pro gun thread and Ive never seen you say **** about the constant non stop stupidity posted from the antigun left. I simply asked WHY 3 pro gun articles got you twisted and the steady stream of bull****, doesnt. And even asking why got you twisted.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Im not complaining about your post. I'm pointing out the FACT that you got your panties twisted over a pro gun thread and Ive never seen you say **** about the constant non stop stupidity posted from the antigun left. I simply asked WHY 3 pro gun articles got you twisted and the steady stream of bull****, doesnt. And even asking why got you twisted.
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Bother someone else.
 
lefty louie said:
And all I hear is blah, blah, blah, blah from the same talking heads over and over again.

Good guy has a right, he used his right and he may have saved a life or more in the process. But of course let's look at what might have gone wrong...Well guess what, it didn't, it went well for all except the bad guy.
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Yep, he kind of reminds me of all the media people who can't give Trump credit for much and if they do, they have to put in that part where they bash Trump for one thing or another, because they can't stop hating him, no matter what.
 
Mr Person said:
Don't assume what I think.



I avoid the gun forums.

I've explained my stance at length many times over, but the main stance is that as long as the 2nd exists and as interpreted as it is (correctly, I think, though I don't like it), very little in the way of gun control that can actually accomplish something is possible.

But on the one hand, the pro-gun people seem insanely pro-gun to the point of ignoring/lying about/whatever all the downsides to having so many guns in a society.

On the other hand, the strong anti-gun people just don't see sense. Banning "assault weapons" (last time it was defined, the meaning was laughable horse****. Grenade launcher attachment OK, but a telescoping stock and a certain grip attachment NOT OK) is supposed to stop mass shootings or violence. What?

So, both sides who really care about the debate are generally off the deep end in my view, plus, the debate is moot with the 2nd around. So.....whatever





However, I will speak up if someone posts this silly horse **** outside of the gun forum and I happen to amble on by. The fact that strong anti-gun people are not making sense doesn't mean I'm going to tolerate stupid pro-gun propaganda.
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When the news media tell one side of the story on most shooting incidents and blame all the people, who didn't do it, gun people like to point out that gun possession and use, can be very beneficial.
For instance, that snot nose clown, David Hogg, and most of the media, blame the NRA for the Florida shooting, instead of focusing on the real shooter and all the failures of 5 entities, who allowed him to get away with it.
Do we hear how the FBI ****ed up big time? Nope. Do we hear much about how the S.O. ****ed up, big time? Nope.
Do we hear how the parents, the social workers and the school, all allowed this kid to become a murdering psychopath? Nope.
All we hear is, it's the NRA's fault! And that is total horse****!
NRA members have killed no one.
 
Mr Person said:
This is at least the third thread I've seen on this in which someone either explicitly or implicitly tries to give a "**** you" to anyone who said anything about gun control that wasn't dismissive.

Clue: nobody ever denied that guns can be used defensively. To the extent anyone criticized the "good guy with a gun" mantra, it's on bases like: (1) there are a lot more things that can wrong than can go right in a public shootout with bad guys, (2) there are statistics (and yes they include suicide) about gun ownership increasing likelihood of gun injury or fatality.

It is stupid and dishonest to put an instance where things went well on parade as if it's the only thing that happens or can happen, seeing as nobody claimed nobody ever stopped a bad guy with a gun. (And also seeing as only the tiniest fraction of people actually want to literally take ALL the guns).



So yeah, congrats to the good guy with a gun for not missing and hitting someone else, getting themselves shot by the bad guy, or being mistaken for the bad guy by police arriving on scene. But really....it's 3+ threads within minutes of this thing getting reported.

Know how many violent crimes happen per year in this country? Per FBI stats, around 1,400,000.







Enough of this silliness. It's not like the people start these threads start a thread for each of the thousands and thousands of deaths per year in which a bad guy with a gun kills someone.....
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the vast majority of crimes perpetrated by those packing heat involve people who already are committing a federal felony by merely possessing the gun.

we have posters that constantly troll gun advocates with threads about a criminal harming others with guns-the trolls then claim that anyone who supports gun ownership are guilty-by association-for the crimes committed with guns
 
Mr Person said:
Bother someone else.
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Truth hurts doesn't it.

He called you on it. You squawked about a pro gun thread, and have been silent on a myriad of anti gun postings.. or as Vancemack said .. a steady stream of BS.

Your bias is showing.
 
Update today on this.

Armed Pastor Shoots, Kills Gun-Wielding Carjacker In WALMART Parking Lot...

TUMWATER (CBSMiami) – An armed off-duty paramedic is being hailed as a hero after he shot and killed a shooting suspect at a Washington state Walmart.

The good Samaritan is now coming forward to share his story.
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/06/20/pastor-kills-gun-wielding-carjacker/
 
tonyanzack said:
Update today on this.

Armed Pastor Shoots, Kills Gun-Wielding Carjacker In WALMART Parking Lot...

TUMWATER (CBSMiami) – An armed off-duty paramedic is being hailed as a hero after he shot and killed a shooting suspect at a Washington state Walmart.

The good Samaritan is now coming forward to share his story.
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/06/20/pastor-kills-gun-wielding-carjacker/
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Not only that, there were other people there that were armed too...and one of the other things that *very often* comes up when anti-gun people try to dispute that people should be able to carry, is that none of them fired. There was no 'uncontrolled shoot out.' No panic, no innocent bystanders shot.

Not only was the pastor/EMT effective, the other people had the sense and self-control to not engage.
 
Lursa said:
Not only that, there were other people there that were armed too...and one of the other things that *very often* comes up when anti-gun people try to dispute that people should be able to carry, is that none of them fired. There was no 'uncontrolled shoot out.' No panic, no innocent bystanders shot.

Not only was the pastor/EMT effective, the other people had the sense and self-control to not engage.
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Nicely stated. Great post.
 
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